2020 General Election Thread

[_33]

Come on PA, MI, and WI.  That's dumb.

[kstater]

Are you allowed to count mail in ballots before Election Day?  You should be, then you can have them all counted and just add the election day votes to it.

Depends on state.  Pa for example, GOP led state house refused to amend procedure and they couldn't even as much as open the envelopes till yesterday.

I suspect this will all change by next election cycle

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[8manpick]

Only if those places are controlled by a party that thinks more voting is a good thing

[sonofdaxjones]

No one should be surprised that multi-generational blue shithole cities are a problem.   Nothing will ever change in that regard.

https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1323865764810641409?s=20

[ChiComCat]

I agree it's dumb to slow down results and wait on counting.  I can, however, see the rationale if there is a fear of early-voting numbers were to get out and affect participation on election day.

[star seed 7]

The holding the mail ballots is because people can vote in person and override their mail ballot.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Only if those places are controlled by a party that thinks more voting is a good thing

This election is showing that more voting probably favors the republicans more than the democrats.

[Institutional Control]

Biden officially leading in MI now.

If all states hold to current leads, Biden is the president.

[_33]

I agree it's dumb to slow down results and wait on counting.  I can, however, see the rationale if there is a fear of early-voting numbers were to get out and affect participation on election day.

The holding the mail ballots is because people can vote in person and override their mail ballot.

It seems I've fallen victim to the very thing I hate, offering up a simple solution to a complicated issue.  And for that I apologize.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Yeah, I think the way we are counting mail in ballots is probably for the best. It's not that big of a deal if the count goes into Wednesday or Thursday.

[catastrophe]

Yeah, I think the way we are counting mail in ballots is probably for the best. It's not that big of a deal if the count goes into Wednesday or Thursday.

(As long as the president does not incite violence over it)

[MakeItRain]

Can someone explain the current situation to me?  I just got up and went on Twitter and it's just a bunch of stupid nonsense.  I can't figure out what's going on.

Biden won. The end.

[cfbandyman]

Only if those places are controlled by a party that thinks more voting is a good thing

This election is showing that more voting probably favors the republicans more than the democrats.

I wouldn't go that far, but I agree with the 538 assessment that it doesn't hurt them (real or perceived) as much as they think or try as hard as they do. I mean, if it was pop vote Biden wins this probably 6 mil+. Maybe 7. But in the states, it's definitely triaged.

[kstater]

I agree it's dumb to slow down results and wait on counting.  I can, however, see the rationale if there is a fear of early-voting numbers were to get out and affect participation on election day.

I think the happy medium should be to allow them to open and stage to get counted, then actually run them through on ED.  The slow down is opening, checking signatures etc

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[steve dave]

The vote counting discussion is a good one to have and I appreciate 33 bringing it up.


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[Gooch]

Man, trump is scared shitless

Impending accountability and prosecution will do that.

[MakeItRain]

Only if those places are controlled by a party that thinks more voting is a good thing

This election is showing that more voting probably favors the republicans more than the democrats.

There are more registered democrats nationally than republicans, usually around 50% to 45% republicans, it's been that way forever. Republicans have always and forever been better with turning out their fraction of vote, with the exception of 2008. 85% of 45% of the country is more than 75% of 50% of the country, this is exacerbated by the fact that the electoral college weighs those 45% heavier.

[cfbandyman]

I agree it's dumb to slow down results and wait on counting.  I can, however, see the rationale if there is a fear of early-voting numbers were to get out and affect participation on election day.

I think the happy medium should be to allow them to open and stage to get counted, then actually run them through on ED.  The slow down is opening, checking signatures etc

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That is a big issue for sure. Most ballots are scanned, so that goes quick. Having to physically do the work day of has to suck so much ass.

[Institutional Control]

https://twitter.com/TheMasterBucks/status/1323991416540860416?s=20

[MakeItRain]

People did sit this out because Biden isn't transformative enough.

this would be a more convincing argument if pretty much every single democrat on a ballot with biden except steve bullock and roy cooper didn't do worse than him.

His inability to pull down ballot candidates up speak to his popularity with independents and moderate republicans, actually trump's unpopularity. If liberals turned out those down ballot candidates would do better. Looks like there were enough people who picked D at the top of the ticket but either abstained or voted R the rest of the way down to pull Biden up without helping anyone else.

I'm still certain that there is a reasonable percentage of people not voting Biden and by extension D because they represent the same old way things have been done. A $15 minimum wage measure passed in Florida while Biden got his ass handed to him. To me this says that the dems aren't reaching the people they could be reaching because their message is stale. There's no way those people who voted for a $15 minimum wage should have been voting for Trump, that's a massive failure.

[ChiComCat]

By transformative enough do you mean more liberal or less white and old or something else I'm missing?

[MakeItRain]

By transformative enough do you mean more liberal or less white and old or something else I'm missing?

More liberal for sure, or just more ambitious. Biden didn't run on anything that represents something new. What's interesting is that Biden and damn near all down ballot candidates were painted as radical liberals by the republicans, even though we all knew they weren't that. I think that resonated with the white rural voters that turned out at amazing levels for the republicans. However, the dems game plan, specifically Biden was not radical or anything pointing to any change whatsoever. There was no platform they spoke to that represented anything different for Americans. "We'll get your obamacare back!" seemingly completely unaware how unpopular it was.

[catastrophe]

Yeah this has definitely confirmed for me that I’m not a Democrat. Seems like a large part of that party is only excited about sweeping change rather than “let’s not eff up the country together” which was really my #1 priority this cycle.

[Phil Titola]

Yeah this has definitely confirmed for me that I’m not a Democrat. Seems like a large part of that party is only excited about sweeping change rather than “let’s not eff up the country together” which was really my #1 priority this cycle.

I assumed this was everybodys priority this cycle and why I'm dumbfounded by any Trump vote.

[michigancat]

After the first debate plenty of people saw two equally bad options which is why it worried me so much.