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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14550 on: March 02, 2021, 10:12:15 PM »
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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14551 on: March 02, 2021, 10:13:31 PM »
So early in the morning, but congrats tho
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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14553 on: March 02, 2021, 10:16:36 PM »
So early in the morning, but congrats tho
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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14554 on: March 02, 2021, 10:26:29 PM »
Honestly, I don’t know the reach or influence of this bishop or his message, though it was certainly amplified by the media attention.

I feel like everyone is pretending he said something other than what he said.  So I’ll quote it again just as a reminder:

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[W]e advise that if the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine is available, Catholics should choose to receive either of those vaccines rather than to receive the new Johnson & Johnson vaccine because of its extensive use of abortion-derived cell lines.

If someone was on the fence about chipping and read that message and their take away was “the bishop doesn’t want me to get vaccinated” I don’t know what to say.

I've never pretended the bishop said anything but that. And I'd be more concerned about people who weren't on the fence who now are because of an issue that really only "catholic wonks" were worried about two days ago. it's all very "not involved in human trafficking" t-shirt-esque. "It's OK to use the aborted fetus vaccine if the one with cloned baby parts isn't available" raises a lot of questions answered in the statement.


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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14555 on: March 02, 2021, 11:00:25 PM »
Honestly, I don’t know the reach or influence of this bishop or his message, though it was certainly amplified by the media attention.

I feel like everyone is pretending he said something other than what he said.  So I’ll quote it again just as a reminder:

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[W]e advise that if the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine is available, Catholics should choose to receive either of those vaccines rather than to receive the new Johnson & Johnson vaccine because of its extensive use of abortion-derived cell lines.

If someone was on the fence about chipping and read that message and their take away was “the bishop doesn’t want me to get vaccinated” I don’t know what to say.

I've never pretended the bishop said anything but that. And I'd be more concerned about people who weren't on the fence who now are because of an issue that really only "catholic wonks" were worried about two days ago. it's all very "not involved in human trafficking" t-shirt-esque. "It's OK to use the aborted fetus vaccine if the one with cloned baby parts isn't available" raises a lot of questions answered in the statement.

Like I said, I don’t expect non Catholics to care about the medical ethics questions/debate among some Catholics. But as someone who is at least a little in tune with the Catholic politics, i can say that at least some people were reticent about vaccines because of the medical ethics associated with the fetal tissue.   Hence, some guidance on the issue from Church officials is predictable, and helpful to those people who do care.  If you think the Church offering any guidance other than unconditional wholesale endorsement of every vaccine regardless of ethical origin, sorry. 

To your original point, if you assume people are going to read the bishop’s statement and think they better not get vaccinated, I don’t have a good response. I think that response would be unlikely and irrational, but if you take a more pessimistic view, we just disagree.


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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14556 on: March 02, 2021, 11:03:26 PM »
So early in the morning, but congrats tho
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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14557 on: March 02, 2021, 11:12:44 PM »
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« Reply #14558 on: March 02, 2021, 11:59:15 PM »
Like I said, I don’t expect non Catholics to care about the medical ethics questions/debate among some Catholics. But as someone who is at least a little in tune with the Catholic politics, i can say that at least some people were reticent about vaccines because of the medical ethics associated with the fetal tissue.   Hence, some guidance on the issue from Church officials is predictable, and helpful to those people who do care.  If you think the Church offering any guidance other than unconditional wholesale endorsement of every vaccine regardless of ethical origin, sorry. 
I don't expect the vast majority of Catholics to care about the medical ethics debate if the bishop doesn't bring it up.

To your original point, if you assume people are going to read the bishop’s statement and think they better not get vaccinated, I don’t have a good response. I think that response would be unlikely and irrational, but if you take a more pessimistic view, we just disagree.

I don't think it's necessarily like a switch flipper, but it's a barrier/impediment. Would it be irrational for someone who was going to get vaccinated to hear that guidance and then call their local vax site to see what they were using? What if they didn't know, what does that person do? Go to another one that's maybe further away/less accessible? What if that place only offers J&J? Like, technically it should be OK I think to go to the second place, but maybe not because there is somewhere in the country that offers Moderna & Pfizer?

It's just really bad marketing if you want as many people to get vaccinated as possible.

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« Reply #14559 on: March 03, 2021, 06:04:52 AM »
Like I said, I don’t expect non Catholics to care about the medical ethics questions/debate among some Catholics. But as someone who is at least a little in tune with the Catholic politics, i can say that at least some people were reticent about vaccines because of the medical ethics associated with the fetal tissue.   Hence, some guidance on the issue from Church officials is predictable, and helpful to those people who do care.  If you think the Church offering any guidance other than unconditional wholesale endorsement of every vaccine regardless of ethical origin, sorry. 
I don't expect the vast majority of Catholics to care about the medical ethics debate if the bishop doesn't bring it up.

To your original point, if you assume people are going to read the bishop’s statement and think they better not get vaccinated, I don’t have a good response. I think that response would be unlikely and irrational, but if you take a more pessimistic view, we just disagree.

I don't think it's necessarily like a switch flipper, but it's a barrier/impediment. Would it be irrational for someone who was going to get vaccinated to hear that guidance and then call their local vax site to see what they were using? What if they didn't know, what does that person do? Go to another one that's maybe further away/less accessible? What if that place only offers J&J? Like, technically it should be OK I think to go to the second place, but maybe not because there is somewhere in the country that offers Moderna & Pfizer?

It's just really bad marketing if you want as many people to get vaccinated as possible.
I think the vast majority of Catholics don’t care about the medical ethics debate.


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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14560 on: March 03, 2021, 06:56:07 AM »
Floodgates are opening.



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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
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« Reply #14562 on: March 03, 2021, 08:27:51 AM »
Yeah, you're right. Religious nut jobs who care about this stuff will read that statement and then go ahead and get a vaccine made from aborted tissue. They are very rational people.
Who are these people you think are stupid? Catholics in the New Orleans archdiocese?

I didn't say anyone was stupid. I said they are irrational. Catholics also are not the only people who view life saving technology that comes from fetus research as evil. Many people, Catholic and non-Catholic alike, are going to see a statement like that and decide not to get any vaccine. It's not that they care about doing what the bishop says to do, but that the bishop said the fetus vaccine is immoral and they also believe it is immoral.

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« Reply #14563 on: March 03, 2021, 08:32:57 AM »
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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14565 on: March 03, 2021, 09:45:12 AM »
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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14566 on: March 03, 2021, 10:37:22 AM »
The problem isn't where the Catholic dude ended up logically. A lot of people are going to read his statement and either wait until the vaccine that wasn't a product of abortion is available, or they will pass on it entirely. He should have said "get a vaccine as soon as you can," and left it at that.
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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14568 on: March 03, 2021, 10:41:24 AM »
US Covax overlook, didn't realize we'd already funded 4b for Gavi.

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« Reply #14570 on: March 03, 2021, 12:28:36 PM »
almost 100% at 60 days?!

This bug is dead by Christmas (maybe hopefully)

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« Reply #14571 on: March 03, 2021, 12:29:55 PM »
Interesting podcast about Novavax. The spike protein for this is vectored using an insect virus so there are no links to embryonic cell lines in its development or production. Sounds like this company was on to a good flu vaccine before they turned their attention to COVID. Hopefully, all of the research into vaccines vis a vis Covid will lead to a universal influenza vaccine that wipes out influenza before another 1918-level strain can emerge again.

https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/the-journal/novavax-long-road-to-a-covid-19-vaccine/6C0098FF-8479-4BC1-8F52-50F47FF8DB59

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« Reply #14572 on: March 03, 2021, 12:31:28 PM »
I hope so too, Sandstone Outcropping.

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« Reply #14573 on: March 03, 2021, 12:45:22 PM »
Article from a Protestant theologian about the ethics of COVID vaccines:

https://www.russellmoore.com/2021/03/03/is-the-johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-unethical/

[quote]The intuitions behind this question are good and sound. The question assumes a foundational biblical truth that is often pushed aside in these times: namely, that a Christian may not do evil that good may come out of it (Rom. 12:21). In a day when “lesser of two evils” ethics and “whataboutism” have upended Christian witness, with Christians affirming much that they previously denied in order to justify remaining loyal to their temporal tribes, we should be thankful, at least, when the right questions are asked.

The issue is the use of cell lines, which were originally derived from abortions, in either the development stage (Moderna and Pfizer) or production stage (Johnson & Johnson) of the vaccines. It is important to note that although the cell lines potentially originated from abortions, no cells remain from the original fetal tissue in these cloned cells, and the cell lines no longer contain fetal tissue or body parts.
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« Reply #14574 on: March 03, 2021, 02:15:03 PM »
Older friend of mine (well under 65 no high risk things) got a call from nevada missouri and got his chip. Asked if he could bring his younger husband and was denied.