CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread

[sys]

And here are the details on interregional travel (crazy they let bars and restaurants stay open! How does that add up!?!)

pretty sure that was the initial order and they also shut down bars and restaurants not too long after that.

[kim carnes]

I’m not advocating that we should’ve done what italy did btw.  We tried to lockdown ny and cuomo freaked out. 

[sys]

I think you're really undervalueing how broad the essential business exemptions in the US were

yes.  although i also agree with dq that the u.s. could have implemented a stricter lockdown in the early spring and people would have complied.

also, i think it's a little odd that people keep referring to the italian lockdown as a model.  the spanish version was more effective in less time.

[kim carnes]

I think you're really undervalueing how broad the essential business exemptions in the US were

yes.  although i also agree with dq that the u.s. could have implemented a stricter lockdown in the early spring and people would have complied.

also, i think it's a little odd that people keep referring to the italian lockdown as a model.  the spanish version was more effective in less time.

We’re talking about a nation where people felt compelled to buyout all of the toilet paper.

[sys]

pretty sure that was the initial order and they also shut down bars and restaurants not too long after that.

it was like two days later.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/italy-shops-bars-and-restaurants-ordered-to-close.html

[sys]

We’re talking about a nation where people felt compelled to buyout all of the toilet paper.

you should go back and look through the early days of this thread.  there was an interesting article on the toilet paper supply chain that explained why the shortage occurred (not hoarding).

[michigancat]

pretty sure that was the initial order and they also shut down bars and restaurants not too long after that.

it was like two days later.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/italy-shops-bars-and-restaurants-ordered-to-close.html

thanks, that makes sense. Still, crazy it was so late! The Bay Area shut down bars and restaurants like 2 days later!

[kim carnes]

We’re talking about a nation where people felt compelled to buyout all of the toilet paper.

you should go back and look through the early days of this thread.  there was an interesting article on the toilet paper supply chain that explained why the shortage occurred (not hoarding).

I didn’t see that but I can assure you that people also started hoarding it

[kim carnes]

Italy/Spain/etc had to do strict lockdowns or their ICUs were going to be completely mumped

[sonofdaxjones]

CoronaBro couldn't be a more appropriate term.

Merkel is saying no more lifting on any restrictions.   What we are seeing is 1000% proof that there's truly no reason for anything resembling hardcore lockdowns until there are vaccines. 

Nothing is going to stop this virus, and keeping people locked down is only stalling the inevitable until there is a vaccine.   

[Phil Titola]

CoronaBro couldn't be a more appropriate term.

Merkel is saying no more lifting on any restrictions.   What we are seeing is 1000% proof that there's truly no reason for anything resembling hardcore lockdowns until there are vaccines. 

Nothing is going to stop this virus, and keeping people locked down is only stalling the inevitable until there is a vaccine.   

I agree with Dax.  Unless we want to pay people to sit at home.  We also never hardcore locked down here.

[michigancat]

Italy/Spain/etc had to do strict lockdowns or their ICUs were going to be completely mumped

their ICU's still got completely mumped because the lockdowns were too late. the lockdowns stamped out the virus to a point that they could reopen (really reopen).

Really, I think the swamped ICU's made the lockdowns an easier sell. In a way the lockdown sell was more difficult in the US because we hadn't seen overrun ICU's outside of NYC when ours started (and they might have been OK at the time TBH).

[Phil Titola]

That was the big warning out of the Imperial College model and hence what everybody was hyper focused on.  Capacity, checking numbers etc.  Trump and his team stumbled uphill to get vents and then whined when we didn't need as many as they built, like it was somehow the media's fault and they were forced to build them.

[sys]

Trump and his team stumbled uphill to get vents and then whined when we didn't need as many as they built, like it was somehow the media's fault and they were forced to build them.

eh, they kinda were.

voters shouldn't hold overprocurement of ventilators against anyone though.  it was the prudent thing to do at the time.

[Phil Titola]

Trump and his team stumbled uphill to get vents and then whined when we didn't need as many as they built, like it was somehow the media's fault and they were forced to build them.

eh, they kinda were.

voters shouldn't hold overprocurement of ventilators against anyone though.  it was the prudent thing to do at the time.

Yeah not holding it against anybody, I would just assume the adults in the room with the most info and experts would have the best idea what was needed.  If those experts said we might need it, so be it, but don't blame the public / media for asking the questions.

There is no doubt they were caught flatfooted, no plan, and didn't take it seriously fast enough but I digress.

[sonofdaxjones]

Who can forget Cuomo sitting up there having a total meltdown and he got collectively billions of dollars worth of Federal assistance that was hardly used.

3 years ago, told to buy new and more vents, nope.

[MakeItRain]

This rough ridin' lady.

https://twitter.com/gregggonsalves/status/1295499519988310018

What would saying something have done, lol. Are we in fantasyland thinking that her words would have carried any weight at all? The president looked this woman in the eye, in front of the world, and asked her if we should inject bleach. She could have had the vaccine in a briefcase and that bitch wouldn't see the light of day.

[MakeItRain]

I think you're really undervalueing how broad the essential business exemptions in the US were

yes.  although i also agree with dq that the u.s. could have implemented a stricter lockdown in the early spring and people would have complied.

also, i think it's a little odd that people keep referring to the italian lockdown as a model.  the spanish version was more effective in less time.

I think it would have been taken differently, regionally. It was documented here that we had possibly the fewest restrictions for the shortest time here. We had high school and youth athletes competing in sponsored sports when other states were still "locked down." Despite this what little restrictions we had were pretty unpopular because this was positioned as a metro, coastal disease. Again Iowa's numbers have always been horrible in comparison, but I think middle America didn't see this as their disease and they would have fought strict lockdowns.

I do think they would have been accepted in the Bos-Wash megaopolis and the Pacific Coast, everywhere else, nah.

[chum1]

This rough ridin' lady.

https://twitter.com/gregggonsalves/status/1295499519988310018

What would saying something have done, lol. Are we in fantasyland thinking that her words would have carried any weight at all? The president looked this woman in the eye, in front of the world, and asked her if we should inject bleach. She could have had the vaccine in a briefcase and that bitch wouldn't see the light of day.

It takes a lot of nerve to do nothing but placate Trump for months (there's a reason he looked to her for reassurance when talking about bleach), giving him bad info, and then 20/20 hindsighting the whole thing like, "well, what we REALLY should have done is..."

[sonofdaxjones]

Argentina.- 150 day lockdown:  Didn’t do crap

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-12/after-146-days-in-lockdown-argentina-hasn-t-peaked-latam-wrap

SE Asia:  They’re investigating a possible new and possibly more contagious strain.  Still under investigation.   

Europe emerging from lockdowns:  Already considering more lockdowns.

Yet CoronaBro spit ballers actually believe what they want will work.

Every emergence from lockdowns will see more cases . . .  Maybe forever and ever.

[steve dave]

Europe emerging from lockdowns:  Already considering more lockdowns.

Yet CoronaBro spit ballers actually believe what they want will work.

Every emergence from lockdowns will see more cases . . .  Maybe forever and ever.

https://twitter.com/brianklaas/status/1296049569567051776

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Europe emerging from lockdowns:  Already considering more lockdowns.

Yet CoronaBro spit ballers actually believe what they want will work.

Every emergence from lockdowns will see more cases . . .  Maybe forever and ever.

https://twitter.com/brianklaas/status/1296049569567051776

"IT IS WHAT IT IS!!!"

[sonofdaxjones]

Mortality is a lagging statistic, dummies.

Is there we also inject CornoaBro Hero Tony Fauci's hetero/homogeneity primer? 

Remember, CoronaBro Nation has continually implied that numerous other nations have the RONA whipped, yet every time many of those countries attempt to emerge from lockdowns, they have spikes.

Merkel is not lifting any more restrictions, because as soon as they got through a phase, cases in Germany immediately spiked.   Cases in France immediately spiked.  Cases in Spain immediately spiked etc. etc. etc.

[sonofdaxjones]

The Trump Administration is pressing the EcoHealth Alliance for more information on things like this:

https://projectreporter.nih.gov/project_info_description.cfm?aid=9819304&icde=49645421

Recall that Newsweek asked Daszak to comment for their article on the Gain of Function research (May 2020) partially funded by the NIH in Wuhan and he declined. 

EcoHealth Alliance as expected is claiming it's a witch hunt.   Why not just answer the questions?

From Newsweek:
According to Richard Ebright, an infectious disease expert at Rutgers University, the project description refers to experiments that would enhance the ability of bat coronavirus to infect human cells and laboratory animals using techniques of genetic engineering. In the wake of the pandemic, that is a noteworthy detail.

Ebright, along with many other scientists, has been a vocal opponent of gain-of-function research because of the risk it presents of creating a pandemic through accidental release from a lab.

[Phil Titola]

Mortality is a lagging statistic, dummies.

I think anybody would be willing to wager their death counts going forward doesn't get to the numbers we've seen.

Remember, CoronaBro Nation has continually implied that numerous other nations have the RONA whipped

Nobody.  Not one person has ever said this.  Stop.