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https://twitter.com/60minutes/status/1259621162163855361?s=21


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In 2016 UT scientists were on the cusp of a SARS vaccine . . . their funding was killed.  It sits in a freezer.


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In 2016 UT scientists were on the cusp of a SARS vaccine . . . their funding was killed.  It sits in a freezer.
Pretty interesting story.

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We've had some conversations with big pharma companies in recent weeks about our vaccine, and literally one said, 'Well, we're holding back to see if this thing comes back year after year,'" Hotez said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/scientists-were-close-coronavirus-vaccine-years-ago-then-money-dried-n1150091

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Also the 60 Minutes video is just more Trump being dumb Trump and also what is up with Matt Gaetz's teeth

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Must be great living in a country that can actually figure out the R and has a plan.  Meanwhile we're letting county health directors and their staff of 8 figure it all out.

Oh yeah, those Europeans, they've got it all figured out.

I mean,  who can expect some of the highest paid people in their respective government entity to make make decisions?

Then again, here in 1st world Alabama, the State Health Director is making the decisions, and giving leeway to County and City Health directors to extend things as appropriate to their local situation.  I guess they could just sit there and collect a check and be utterly clueless, tho, like Phil.

You don't see a problem with this fragmented approach dax? Bama could be doing amazing, it doesn't matter

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Must be great living in a country that can actually figure out the R and has a plan.  Meanwhile we're letting county health directors and their staff of 8 figure it all out.

Oh yeah, those Europeans, they've got it all figured out.

I mean,  who can expect some of the highest paid people in their respective government entity to make make decisions?

Then again, here in 1st world Alabama, the State Health Director is making the decisions, and giving leeway to County and City Health directors to extend things as appropriate to their local situation.  I guess they could just sit there and collect a check and be utterly clueless, tho, like Phil.

You don't see a problem with this fragmented approach dax? Bama could be doing amazing, it doesn't matter

Of course you didn't read the whole article on German.   Why did Angie open things back up, Phil?

But we'll mark you down for this hour as wanting The Feds to control everything.   That's great, this state can save well into the 7 figures on public health administration salaries, since the Feds control everything.

I'll wait an hour and you'll be extolling the virtues of Federalism (if it's OrangeMan bad related).





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https://news.trust.org/item/20200510080412-ndjt9

Must be great living in a country that can actually figure out the R and has a plan.  Meanwhile we're letting county health directors and their staff of 8 figure it all out.

Oh yeah, those Europeans, they've got it all figured out.

I mean,  who can expect some of the highest paid people in their respective government entity to make make decisions?

Then again, here in 1st world Alabama, the State Health Director is making the decisions, and giving leeway to County and City Health directors to extend things as appropriate to their local situation.  I guess they could just sit there and collect a check and be utterly clueless, tho, like Phil.

You don't see a problem with this fragmented approach dax? Bama could be doing amazing, it doesn't matter

Of course you didn't read the whole article on German.   Why did Angie open things back up, Phil?

But we'll mark you down for this hour as wanting The Feds to control everything.   That's great, this state can save well into the 7 figures on public health administration salaries, since the Feds control everything.

I'll wait an hour and you'll be extolling the virtues of Federalism (if it's OrangeMan bad related).

I don't know what you're arguing but there's clearly a place for federal, state, and local departments taking on different roles on the response. There's a lot of research and guidance the feds can provide that shouldn't be replicated 50 times independently.

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https://news.trust.org/item/20200510080412-ndjt9

Must be great living in a country that can actually figure out the R and has a plan.  Meanwhile we're letting county health directors and their staff of 8 figure it all out.

Oh yeah, those Europeans, they've got it all figured out.

I mean,  who can expect some of the highest paid people in their respective government entity to make make decisions?

Then again, here in 1st world Alabama, the State Health Director is making the decisions, and giving leeway to County and City Health directors to extend things as appropriate to their local situation.  I guess they could just sit there and collect a check and be utterly clueless, tho, like Phil.

You don't see a problem with this fragmented approach dax? Bama could be doing amazing, it doesn't matter

Of course you didn't read the whole article on German.   Why did Angie open things back up, Phil?

But we'll mark you down for this hour as wanting The Feds to control everything.   That's great, this state can save well into the 7 figures on public health administration salaries, since the Feds control everything.

I'll wait an hour and you'll be extolling the virtues of Federalism (if it's OrangeMan bad related).

I don't know what you're arguing but there's clearly a place for federal, state, and local departments taking on different roles on the response. There's a lot of research and guidance the feds can provide that shouldn't be replicated 50 times independently.

Well gosh cRusty, why are Birx and Fauci always talking about looking at the models?

Who is replicating anything 50x's independently?

I don't know how it is in California, I mean Gavin Newsome is your governor afterall . . . but in First World Alabama, they literally had a Johns Hopkins like Covid-19 website up in a day tracking every reported case in every county.

So, you're trying to tell me that (checks notes) that the well into the 6 figures ADPH Director is utterly incapable of looking at that nearly real time data and can't advise the state on how to move forward?  He needs the Feds to tell him what to say to the governor?   What sparkling diamonds of wisdom could the Feds impart that isn't already known relative to masks, social distancing, safer at home, crowds, capacities, cleaning?   UABM is working with a private partner on their own vaccine, they have a cadre of epidemiologists, vectoring experts, virologists and the Dean of the UAB Med School is on the advisory board.    Based on what I've seen thus far from Fauci, Birx, Redfield I think I'd just be charting my own course at this juncture.








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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1259489117047599104?s=20
Are you packaging this into the hoax conspiracy now?

My lawd you are as dumb as a brick.
This is a bqqkie level quote. We know more now about this illness than we did in March. We also will probably have a second, more massive peak this fall/winter. Guess what, we will probably need them then, dumbass.
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1259489117047599104?s=20
Are you packaging this into the hoax conspiracy now?

My lawd you are as dumb as a brick.
This is a bqqkie level quote. We know more now about this illness than we did in March. We also will probably have a second, more massive peak this fall/winter. Guess what, we will probably need them then, dumbass.

First off you perpetual dumbass.  You'll  have to take it up with AP, I didn't write the article.

Remember though, people like you, total Mush Brained Useful Idiots lost your crap about ventilators.    You parroted people like Mario "Nursing Homes of Death" Cuomo. 

And no, we probably won't need them again, because we now know that ventilators are for the most part, bad.

 

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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1259489117047599104?s=20
Are you packaging this into the hoax conspiracy now?

My lawd you are as dumb as a brick.
This is a bqqkie level quote. We know more now about this illness than we did in March. We also will probably have a second, more massive peak this fall/winter. Guess what, we will probably need them then, dumbass.

First off you perpetual dumbass.  You'll  have to take it up with AP, I didn't write the article.

Remember though, people like you, total Mush Brained Useful Idiots lost your crap about ventilators.    You parroted people like Mario "Nursing Homes of Death" Cuomo. 

And no, we probably won't need them again, because we now know that ventilators are for the most part, bad.

You can try and rewrite history like dear leader has tried but again, we know more now than then. At the time(and still now) the Trump admin has no rough ridin' idea what it is doing. Except for taking advice from a complete downgrade in Jared Kushner, who has no business AT ALL being an advisor, let alone in government.

Apparently you also know what the future discoveries will be with this novel virus. It’s an honor to be able to BBS with someone who truly knows it all. rough ridin' idiot.
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1259489117047599104?s=20
Are you packaging this into the hoax conspiracy now?

My lawd you are as dumb as a brick.
This is a bqqkie level quote. We know more now about this illness than we did in March. We also will probably have a second, more massive peak this fall/winter. Guess what, we will probably need them then, dumbass.

First off you perpetual dumbass.  You'll  have to take it up with AP, I didn't write the article.

Remember though, people like you, total Mush Brained Useful Idiots lost your crap about ventilators.    You parroted people like Mario "Nursing Homes of Death" Cuomo. 

And no, we probably won't need them again, because we now know that ventilators are for the most part, bad.

You can try and rewrite history like dear leader has tried but again, we know more now than then. At the time(and still now) the Trump admin has no rough ridin' idea what it is doing. Except for taking advice from a complete downgrade in Jared Kushner, who has no business AT ALL being an advisor, let alone in government.

Apparently you also know what the future discoveries will be with this novel virus. It’s an honor to be able to BBS with someone who truly knows it all. rough ridin' idiot.

In the span of 24 hours one of the people you parrot all the time, Mario "Nursing Homes of Death" Cuomo went from saying they don't have enough ventilators and people are dying, to they're stockpiling ventilators and have plenty for the foreseeable future . . . in a day.

Massive field hospitals . . . barely utilized, the hospital ships already back at their home ports.    You completely lost your crap parrot boy.


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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1259489117047599104?s=20
Are you packaging this into the hoax conspiracy now?

My lawd you are as dumb as a brick.
This is a bqqkie level quote. We know more now about this illness than we did in March. We also will probably have a second, more massive peak this fall/winter. Guess what, we will probably need them then, dumbass.

First off you perpetual dumbass.  You'll  have to take it up with AP, I didn't write the article.

Remember though, people like you, total Mush Brained Useful Idiots lost your crap about ventilators.    You parroted people like Mario "Nursing Homes of Death" Cuomo. 

And no, we probably won't need them again, because we now know that ventilators are for the most part, bad.

You can try and rewrite history like dear leader has tried but again, we know more now than then. At the time(and still now) the Trump admin has no rough ridin' idea what it is doing. Except for taking advice from a complete downgrade in Jared Kushner, who has no business AT ALL being an advisor, let alone in government.

Apparently you also know what the future discoveries will be with this novel virus. It’s an honor to be able to BBS with someone who truly knows it all. rough ridin' idiot.

In the span of 24 hours one of the people you parrot all the time, Mario "Nursing Homes of Death" Cuomo went from saying they don't have enough ventilators and people are dying, to they're stockpiling ventilators and have plenty for the foreseeable future . . . in a day.

Massive field hospitals . . . barely utilized, the hospital ships already back at their home ports.    You completely lost your crap parrot boy.
Reposting for probably the 3rd time. Absolute dumbass.

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We also will probably have a second, more massive peak this fall/winter.

i doubt that.  i don't think a full on, massive outbreak can occur in the absence of a naive population.
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Well gosh cRusty, why are Birx and Fauci always talking about looking at the models?

Who is replicating anything 50x's independently?

I don't know how it is in California, I mean Gavin Newsome is your governor afterall . . . but in First World Alabama, they literally had a Johns Hopkins like Covid-19 website up in a day tracking every reported case in every county.

So, you're trying to tell me that (checks notes) that the well into the 6 figures ADPH Director is utterly incapable of looking at that nearly real time data and can't advise the state on how to move forward?  He needs the Feds to tell him what to say to the governor?   What sparkling diamonds of wisdom could the Feds impart that isn't already known relative to masks, social distancing, safer at home, crowds, capacities, cleaning?   UABM is working with a private partner on their own vaccine, they have a cadre of epidemiologists, vectoring experts, virologists and the Dean of the UAB Med School is on the advisory board.    Based on what I've seen thus far from Fauci, Birx, Redfield I think I'd just be charting my own course at this juncture.

I agree that Fauci, Birx, and Redfield have kinda sucked, regardless of whether or not they've been hamstrung by Trump.

 I posted this a while back that lays out quite a bit of what I think the feds should be responsible for:

Here's what I would like to see from the federal level off the top of my head:

-Guidance for state and local health departments to test/trace/isolate; I'm sure states can figure it out but why not get everyone on the same page and constantly improve best practices?
-federal funding for local health departments to execute these plans: hiring and training manual contract tracers is probably the bulk of this
-federal support for workers quarantining (and the cost of their care)
-hard numbers for entering different reopening phases in different regions: maybe it's an R0, maybe it's ICU capacity, maybe it's deaths, just something like "restaurants reopen at 50% capacity when the R0 is under 0.8", but expanded to other thresholds and businesses. No need for each state to determine this on their own
-guidelines for travel between regions based on hard numbers. How should someone traveling from Michigan to Kansas be screened, for example? Do you set up interstate checkpoints? quarantine for domestic travel? Texas may actually be the model here
-national guaranteed sick pay of at least 14 days but probably longer
-Improve port of entry screening - obviously this is a little late but needs to be done when we come out of it

Also the feds can help with:

-which model has been working well and why?
-vetting, approval, and maybe even distribution of new treatments or vaccines - UAB's shouldn't just be for alabama
-mentioned above, but giving lockdown level guidance for the states: states can and should be in charge of tracking numbers closely but there should be quantifiable triggers for moving from one phase of lockdown to another: the German example of requiring an R0 under 1 to loosen anything is something the feds should be supplying all the states; this helps state DPH's have a leg to stand on against the dipshit governors who think they should reopen. It isn't like Maine should use different triggers for opening restaurants than Louisiana.
-masks are a great example of a federal fuckup - if the feds had said early on to wear masks (and been clear they weren't talking N95's) states could have followed and lives would have been saved. States shouldn't have had to independently figured that out on their own.

there's lots more but again, there's an important role that federal, state, and local health agencies should all be playing


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We also will probably have a second, more massive peak this fall/winter.

i doubt that.  i don't think a full on, massive outbreak can occur in the absence of a naive population.
Less than 2 full months in we have people with military grade weapons protesting lockdown orders. People going to Costco canceling their subscriptions because they have to wear a mask. This is less than 2 months in. People like Dax and Bqqkie are making it a certainty this will happen. They are not alone, there are tens upon tens of millions of these people.
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We also will probably have a second, more massive peak this fall/winter.

i doubt that.  i don't think a full on, massive outbreak can occur in the absence of a naive population.
Less than 2 full months in we have people with military grade weapons protesting lockdown orders. People going to Costco canceling their subscriptions because they have to wear a mask. This is less than 2 months in. People like Dax and Bqqkie are making it a certainty this will happen. They are not alone, there are tens upon tens of millions of these people.

I think it's going to be sustained ~1500 deaths per day with states going in and out of half assed lockdowns until there's a vaccine. This assumes there will be enough nursing homes to infect over that time.
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1259489117047599104?s=20
Are you packaging this into the hoax conspiracy now?

My lawd you are as dumb as a brick.
This is a bqqkie level quote. We know more now about this illness than we did in March. We also will probably have a second, more massive peak this fall/winter. Guess what, we will probably need them then, dumbass.

First off you perpetual dumbass.  You'll  have to take it up with AP, I didn't write the article.

Remember though, people like you, total Mush Brained Useful Idiots lost your crap about ventilators.    You parroted people like Mario "Nursing Homes of Death" Cuomo. 

And no, we probably won't need them again, because we now know that ventilators are for the most part, bad.

You can try and rewrite history like dear leader has tried but again, we know more now than then. At the time(and still now) the Trump admin has no rough ridin' idea what it is doing. Except for taking advice from a complete downgrade in Jared Kushner, who has no business AT ALL being an advisor, let alone in government.

Apparently you also know what the future discoveries will be with this novel virus. It’s an honor to be able to BBS with someone who truly knows it all. rough ridin' idiot.

In the span of 24 hours one of the people you parrot all the time, Mario "Nursing Homes of Death" Cuomo went from saying they don't have enough ventilators and people are dying, to they're stockpiling ventilators and have plenty for the foreseeable future . . . in a day.

Massive field hospitals . . . barely utilized, the hospital ships already back at their home ports.    You completely lost your crap parrot boy.
Reposting for probably the 3rd time. Absolute dumbass.




LOL, that graph is to exhibit the outcomes of social distancing, quarantines etc. etc.   All of which I agreed with. 

But it's hilarious to read you getting all pissed and talking about how we know so many more things now, when you've been shitting your pants and demanding that everyone in the administration know everything all the time.   Just admit, in the back of your dumb little mushed brained useful idiot head you thought Trump was a complete racist for shutting down travel from China because that's what Joe, Nancy and Chuck told you to think.   You also believed all the headlines from the NYT's, Vox etc etc about how we needed to worry about the flu and not Covid-19.









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Cowboy Jesus isn't going to quarantine despite the fact that he's spent time literally sharing the same air as someone who has tested positive. He won't be deterred until he kills someone.
Heard an interesting factoid that we’ve all breathed some of the same molecules as Cesar’s last breath. Not a critique of your point or relevant to this thread. Just made me think of it and I wanted to share. Everyone stay safe out there.

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We also will probably have a second, more massive peak this fall/winter.

i doubt that.  i don't think a full on, massive outbreak can occur in the absence of a naive population.
Less than 2 full months in we have people with military grade weapons protesting lockdown orders. People going to Costco canceling their subscriptions because they have to wear a mask. This is less than 2 months in. People like Dax and Bqqkie are making it a certainty this will happen. They are not alone, there are tens upon tens of millions of these people.

I think it's going to be sustained ~2000 deaths per day with states going in and out of half assed lockdowns until there's a vaccine. This assumes there will be enough nursing homes to infect over that time.
You just can’t shut down and reopen and shut down etc. that’s not how businesses work. I don’t have the answers but it’s gonna be a long next year to a year and a half. Fall/winter will be worse, based on how this virus attaches itself to humans there’s no avoiding a higher spike when it gets colder.
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But it's hilarious to read you getting all pissed and talking about how we know so many more things now, when you've been shitting your pants and demanding that everyone in the administration know everything all the time.   Just admit, in the back of your dumb little mushed brained useful idiot head you thought Trump was a complete racist for shutting down travel from China because that's what Joe, Nancy and Chuck told you to think.   You also believed all the headlines from the NYT's, Vox etc etc about how we needed to worry about the flu and not Covid-19.

I think Trump was both racist to shut down travel from China but also think it was the right thing to do. (He proved he was racist by not shutting down travel from Italy or having thorough screening of returning US citiziens from China after his "ban").