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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2575 on: March 26, 2020, 12:20:17 PM »
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-52045958

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2576 on: March 26, 2020, 12:24:27 PM »
i don't think it is the case that lots of people (in the us) are going to die no matter what.  depending on your definition of lots of people, of course.


there's no reason we can't do what east asian countries have done, and keep it up until a vaccine is available.

Admittedly I do consider anything in the thousands to be "lots of people" which is probably less than most folks.  And I think there's plenty of reason we can't do what east asian countries have done.  We have no experience dealing with a rampant pandemic and have a way less centralized government and a far more "don't tell me what to do" attitude in our populous. 

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2577 on: March 26, 2020, 12:29:31 PM »
I want a head start on what's about to come.

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2578 on: March 26, 2020, 12:35:51 PM »
I would guess 80,000-150,000 US deaths this spring/summer and then it remains to be seen what happens in the fall.

real possibility US tries to minimize by downplaying "corona virus deaths" because of "co-morbidities" but then we won't be comparing apples to apples with Italy/Spain.  Unclear how much China gamed the numbers or missed deaths at the beginning, but we probably saw most of their peak reported out. I think the Lombard numbers in Italy where we are seeing "12%" death rates are inaccurate because they just had unbelievably high infection rates that weren't captured by testing (I don;t think the Italy positive cases number is actually increasing, just that testing is catching up).  I think the same thing will happen here in the US, but over time because we are so spread out.  We are still 2-3 weeks behind Italy at the earliest and I don't think the first round of deaths will peak until late April or May.

What happens in the summer or next fall? no clue.

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2579 on: March 26, 2020, 12:44:31 PM »
https://www.politico.eu/article/locked-down-europe-how-long-can-afford-this/

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"It is impossible to live — even in self-isolation — and to cure people, if we do not continue the economic activity that, quite simply, permits us to live in this country,” he said while chairing an "economy task force" dealing with the outbreak.
Macron is also the most prominent voice to warn people that a vaccine is not imminent, and probably won't arrive until the end of 2021. The message is clear: It won't be possible for people to stay at home until then.

"It’s a very difficult balancing act," said Mujtaba Rahman, Europe director at EurasiaGroup, a political risk consultancy firm. "It’s not clear that any government has a credible exit strategy."

The Imperial College London study offers another approach: A phase of alternating lockdowns and relaxations over a total period of two years, during which governments relax social distancing measures for about a month, every three months or so.
Sébastien Maillard, director of the Jacques Delors Institute in Paris, said he expects “a moment more of strict confinement, gradually back to a functional economy, and perhaps unfortunately later in the year we’d have to go back to social confinement until we get that vaccine.”
Researchers warned that any periods of respite would be short. “Social distancing — plus school and university closure, if used — need to be in force for the majority of the two years of the simulation,” the study's authors wrote.
This leaves governments with the same dilemma: They will need to prepare their populations for either a year or more under lockdown, or for massive deaths in the coming months. Neither is an easy sell.

Not one person has said we are locking people up in their homes until a vaccine.  The whole goal right now is to give us time.  Time to handle more sick people, time to build up testing, time to develop a strategy for getting people back out, time to figure this virus details out, time to find therapeutic options.

How much time?  What is the exit strategy?

The point also is that to get all of the benefit of social distancing, you need to do it for 12-24 months, as stated in the Imperial College report.  Otherwise, you're still going to potentially have high death tolls.

I feel like this has been covered 100 times but Justwin I just want to hear you say it - is the 12-24 months cited in the Imperial College report based on "doing nothing else" or does that account for innovations such as increased availability of testing, enhanced strategies for containment, and development of treatment/vaccines etc?

Exactly.  He is using the model as a sword to attack any early sheltering initiatives when obviously that's not the intent.

to answer his question about exit strategies.  I think everybody wish they knew a better one.  That's another thing time is giving us, be able to look at data and get more precise plans going.  Look at how countries further along go with releasing people, like South Korea.  Does that work?  Everybody knows we can't do this for 18 months, quit being a dumbass.

My guess?  For the US alone?  We get our defenses (testing, hospital capacity, PPE) ramped up in the next weeks, we watch data, the nation wide 15 day plan (it's not worth much honestly) is extended to April 20'ish, then local communities turn on and off social distancing measures as data dictates but those measures can be more targeted as we get more testing (faster too) and can test people and isolate them.   Bans to/from countries blowing up continue and we fever check everybody coming in internationally.  Pro / college fall sports are played but maybe to empty stadiums.

That guess is absent of any sort of breakthrough treatment that helps quell the virus.

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2580 on: March 26, 2020, 12:58:01 PM »
LN, you’ve grown up on a Navy Base, with Navy ppl, school covered, etc. Tell us why you relate to anyone else in this thread?

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I grew up on a small farm and paid for college myself.



Way more social than distancing.

Hey dumbass, I’ve taken one unemployment check in my lifetime. That was a joke towards our government. That isn’t a socialist thing, it’s a, give me some of my $ back, that I’ll end up paying back eventually thing, Rage. Don’t be a jackass.

also I understand that this is stressful but stop being such a prick

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Until it effects you, you’ll keep doing your crap. I’m not being a prick, just giving you guys a head start on what’s about to come. You can thank me later.



also this is rich

Giving us a head start on what's about to come?

do tell
Didn’t you say your dad was in the Navy and you moved around with him in the past? I guess you lied about that? Weird. Anyways, if you guys are still working, your companies are trying to float your bloated salaries as long as they can, before everything goes “POP!”. You’ll be replaced by people for half the costs. We’re going into a soon to be 5 year recession to save your racist grandparents.

that ain't me boss

also after the whole Common fiasco you accusing others of lying is extra rich

lastly i would welcome a 5 year recession to not lose my non-racist parents

stop projecting

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2581 on: March 26, 2020, 12:59:57 PM »
I'm still working and I guarantee I won't be replaced by someone at half the cost of my current salary.  #essential
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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2582 on: March 26, 2020, 01:05:21 PM »
The Common thing was a joke, jackass.

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2583 on: March 26, 2020, 01:17:32 PM »
https://www.politico.eu/article/locked-down-europe-how-long-can-afford-this/

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"It is impossible to live — even in self-isolation — and to cure people, if we do not continue the economic activity that, quite simply, permits us to live in this country,” he said while chairing an "economy task force" dealing with the outbreak.
Macron is also the most prominent voice to warn people that a vaccine is not imminent, and probably won't arrive until the end of 2021. The message is clear: It won't be possible for people to stay at home until then.

"It’s a very difficult balancing act," said Mujtaba Rahman, Europe director at EurasiaGroup, a political risk consultancy firm. "It’s not clear that any government has a credible exit strategy."

The Imperial College London study offers another approach: A phase of alternating lockdowns and relaxations over a total period of two years, during which governments relax social distancing measures for about a month, every three months or so.
Sébastien Maillard, director of the Jacques Delors Institute in Paris, said he expects “a moment more of strict confinement, gradually back to a functional economy, and perhaps unfortunately later in the year we’d have to go back to social confinement until we get that vaccine.”
Researchers warned that any periods of respite would be short. “Social distancing — plus school and university closure, if used — need to be in force for the majority of the two years of the simulation,” the study's authors wrote.
This leaves governments with the same dilemma: They will need to prepare their populations for either a year or more under lockdown, or for massive deaths in the coming months. Neither is an easy sell.

Not one person has said we are locking people up in their homes until a vaccine.  The whole goal right now is to give us time.  Time to handle more sick people, time to build up testing, time to develop a strategy for getting people back out, time to figure this virus details out, time to find therapeutic options.

How much time?  What is the exit strategy?

The point also is that to get all of the benefit of social distancing, you need to do it for 12-24 months, as stated in the Imperial College report.  Otherwise, you're still going to potentially have high death tolls.

I feel like this has been covered 100 times but Justwin I just want to hear you say it - is the 12-24 months cited in the Imperial College report based on "doing nothing else" or does that account for innovations such as increased availability of testing, enhanced strategies for containment, and development of treatment/vaccines etc?

Exactly.  He is using the model as a sword to attack any early sheltering initiatives when obviously that's not the intent.

to answer his question about exit strategies.  I think everybody wish they knew a better one.  That's another thing time is giving us, be able to look at data and get more precise plans going.  Look at how countries further along go with releasing people, like South Korea.  Does that work?  Everybody knows we can't do this for 18 months, quit being a dumbass.

My guess?  For the US alone?  We get our defenses (testing, hospital capacity, PPE) ramped up in the next weeks, we watch data, the nation wide 15 day plan (it's not worth much honestly) is extended to April 20'ish, then local communities turn on and off social distancing measures as data dictates but those measures can be more targeted as we get more testing (faster too) and can test people and isolate them.   Bans to/from countries blowing up continue and we fever check everybody coming in internationally.  Pro / college fall sports are played but maybe to empty stadiums.

That guess is absent of any sort of breakthrough treatment that helps quell the virus.

I am a little more optimistic about the ability of our science community to vaccinate this thing in a relatively quick time.  I also think the anti-viral treatments will get much better.  Basically, I think the healthy deaths can be really reduced, maybe close to none.  The old and very sick will always be susceptible.  I think there will be new nursing home and care facility restrictions indefinitely.  If one of your relatives is in one of those right now, you may not get to see them in person for a really long time.

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2584 on: March 26, 2020, 01:18:01 PM »

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2585 on: March 26, 2020, 01:19:35 PM »
Their CEO should run for president.

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2586 on: March 26, 2020, 01:27:19 PM »
H-E-B is really a fantastically run company, and they treat their employees well, too.

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« Reply #2587 on: March 26, 2020, 01:29:46 PM »
https://www.politico.eu/article/locked-down-europe-how-long-can-afford-this/

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"It is impossible to live — even in self-isolation — and to cure people, if we do not continue the economic activity that, quite simply, permits us to live in this country,” he said while chairing an "economy task force" dealing with the outbreak.
Macron is also the most prominent voice to warn people that a vaccine is not imminent, and probably won't arrive until the end of 2021. The message is clear: It won't be possible for people to stay at home until then.

"It’s a very difficult balancing act," said Mujtaba Rahman, Europe director at EurasiaGroup, a political risk consultancy firm. "It’s not clear that any government has a credible exit strategy."

The Imperial College London study offers another approach: A phase of alternating lockdowns and relaxations over a total period of two years, during which governments relax social distancing measures for about a month, every three months or so.
Sébastien Maillard, director of the Jacques Delors Institute in Paris, said he expects “a moment more of strict confinement, gradually back to a functional economy, and perhaps unfortunately later in the year we’d have to go back to social confinement until we get that vaccine.”
Researchers warned that any periods of respite would be short. “Social distancing — plus school and university closure, if used — need to be in force for the majority of the two years of the simulation,” the study's authors wrote.
This leaves governments with the same dilemma: They will need to prepare their populations for either a year or more under lockdown, or for massive deaths in the coming months. Neither is an easy sell.

Not one person has said we are locking people up in their homes until a vaccine.  The whole goal right now is to give us time.  Time to handle more sick people, time to build up testing, time to develop a strategy for getting people back out, time to figure this virus details out, time to find therapeutic options.

How much time?  What is the exit strategy?

The point also is that to get all of the benefit of social distancing, you need to do it for 12-24 months, as stated in the Imperial College report.  Otherwise, you're still going to potentially have high death tolls.

I feel like this has been covered 100 times but Justwin I just want to hear you say it - is the 12-24 months cited in the Imperial College report based on "doing nothing else" or does that account for innovations such as increased availability of testing, enhanced strategies for containment, and development of treatment/vaccines etc?

Exactly.  He is using the model as a sword to attack any early sheltering initiatives when obviously that's not the intent.

to answer his question about exit strategies.  I think everybody wish they knew a better one.  That's another thing time is giving us, be able to look at data and get more precise plans going.  Look at how countries further along go with releasing people, like South Korea.  Does that work?  Everybody knows we can't do this for 18 months, quit being a dumbass.

My guess?  For the US alone?  We get our defenses (testing, hospital capacity, PPE) ramped up in the next weeks, we watch data, the nation wide 15 day plan (it's not worth much honestly) is extended to April 20'ish, then local communities turn on and off social distancing measures as data dictates but those measures can be more targeted as we get more testing (faster too) and can test people and isolate them.   Bans to/from countries blowing up continue and we fever check everybody coming in internationally.  Pro / college fall sports are played but maybe to empty stadiums.

That guess is absent of any sort of breakthrough treatment that helps quell the virus.

I am a little more optimistic about the ability of our science community to vaccinate this thing in a relatively quick time.  I also think the anti-viral treatments will get much better.  Basically, I think the healthy deaths can be really reduced, maybe close to none.  The old and very sick will always be susceptible.  I think there will be new nursing home and care facility restrictions indefinitely.  If one of your relatives is in one of those right now, you may not get to see them in person for a really long time.

I totally agree and that's why in general I'm optimistic on our long term future through this whole thing.  I was just taking that variable out in my "guess", which is highly uneducated.

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2588 on: March 26, 2020, 01:33:55 PM »
HEB's really are great, wish we had them here

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2589 on: March 26, 2020, 01:36:00 PM »
The Common thing was a joke, jackass.

oh.

how embarrassing for me...

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
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« Reply #2592 on: March 26, 2020, 01:46:55 PM »
UIN continues to completely meltdown about Covid19

i hope you're doing well dax


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« Reply #2593 on: March 26, 2020, 01:53:55 PM »
UIN continues to completely meltdown about Covid19

i hope you're doing well dax



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« Reply #2595 on: March 26, 2020, 02:40:41 PM »
china closing its borders to foreigners

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/26/china-closes-border-150455

Probably time to put any international travel plans on the shelf for 2020

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« Reply #2597 on: March 26, 2020, 02:46:41 PM »
jesus christ

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A meeting of foreign ministers from the Group of Seven nations ended Wednesday without a customary joint statement because members wouldn’t agree with a U.S. request to refer to the novel coronavirus as the “Wuhan virus,” according to an official familiar with the matter.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/g-7-meeting-ends-in-disagreement-over-coronavirusname-11585184693

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« Reply #2598 on: March 26, 2020, 02:49:22 PM »
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A meeting of foreign ministers from the Group of Seven nations ended Wednesday without a customary joint statement because members wouldn’t agree with a U.S. request to refer to the novel coronavirus as the “Wuhan virus,” according to an official familiar with the matter.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/g-7-meeting-ends-in-disagreement-over-coronavirusname-11585184693

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« Reply #2599 on: March 26, 2020, 02:53:25 PM »
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A meeting of foreign ministers from the Group of Seven nations ended Wednesday without a customary joint statement because members wouldn’t agree with a U.S. request to refer to the novel coronavirus as the “Wuhan virus,” according to an official familiar with the matter.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/g-7-meeting-ends-in-disagreement-over-coronavirusname-11585184693

Goddamn, we sure do pick interesting hills to die on. In other news, spanish politicians are now pushing for the 1918 pandemic to be referred to as the "Kansas flu" going forward.
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