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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #12550 on: December 09, 2020, 11:14:06 AM »
You’d think so. Just about any vaccine comes with a minuscule number of people who react negatively. It’s usually small enough they can’t really say if it was the vaccine or a coincidence I think.

old, semi maga hypochondriacs will bitch about anything to get attention.

That isn't the demographic that decided to reevaluate the language about the vaccine after seeing people get hospitalized the first day it was mass distributed.

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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #12551 on: December 09, 2020, 11:15:40 AM »
is this one of those "this bridge is 99.99999997% safe...I think i'll swim across" kinda things?

Shouldn't or couldn't this be interpreted as a let's get out front of a potential unforeseen issue?
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“But If we need to strengthen our advice, now that we have had this experience with the vulnerable populations, the groups who have been selected as a priority, we get that advice to the field immediately," she said.

Raine’s comments came as part of a general discussion of how her agency will continue to monitor people who receive the Pfizer vaccine, which waas authorized for emergency use last week.

Needing to strengthen advise less than 24 hours after a vaccine is first administered certainly isn't modus operandi.

i suppose. I mean i think any reasonable person should understand that nothing exists that will be 100% effective w/o anyone having any side effects. I guess its fair to say people need to be advised of the risks...and if they can identify that certain people are at a higher risk then that's fine. But that seems like a pretty standard thing now. Like every other commercial now is for some medication but they always come with a disclaimer that you shouldn't take it if you're allergic to the product or any of its ingredients.

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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #12552 on: December 09, 2020, 11:22:26 AM »
is this one of those "this bridge is 99.99999997% safe...I think i'll swim across" kinda things?

Shouldn't or couldn't this be interpreted as a let's get out front of a potential unforeseen issue?
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“But If we need to strengthen our advice, now that we have had this experience with the vulnerable populations, the groups who have been selected as a priority, we get that advice to the field immediately," she said.

Raine’s comments came as part of a general discussion of how her agency will continue to monitor people who receive the Pfizer vaccine, which waas authorized for emergency use last week.

Needing to strengthen advise less than 24 hours after a vaccine is first administered certainly isn't modus operandi.

i suppose. I mean i think any reasonable person should understand that nothing exists that will be 100% effective w/o anyone having any side effects. I guess its fair to say people need to be advised of the risks...and if they can identify that certain people are at a higher risk then that's fine. But that seems like a pretty standard thing now. Like every other commercial now is for some medication but they always come with a disclaimer that you shouldn't take it if you're allergic to the product or any of its ingredients.

I'm working off of the assumption that the British health officials are smart enough to understand this, so their sounding of the alarm represents something a bit different than hypochondriac harriet from down the street riffing with her opinions about vaccines. I'm also not going to behave as if anything is normal about a vaccine that was fast tracked to the extent that this one was.

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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #12553 on: December 09, 2020, 11:24:24 AM »
You’d think so. Just about any vaccine comes with a minuscule number of people who react negatively. It’s usually small enough they can’t really say if it was the vaccine or a coincidence I think.

old, semi maga hypochondriacs will bitch about anything to get attention.

That isn't the demographic that decided to reevaluate the language about the vaccine after seeing people get hospitalized the first day it was mass distributed.

the demographic who is imagining an allergic reaction is.  "oh, my arm hurts, I am having trouble breathing, feeling and my throat is sore"

See I just made up an allergic reaction.  Like a total goddam boss

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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #12554 on: December 09, 2020, 11:43:42 AM »
I stand my my belief that he should face wrongful death charges. Lock him up.

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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #12555 on: December 09, 2020, 11:52:17 AM »
You’d think so. Just about any vaccine comes with a minuscule number of people who react negatively. It’s usually small enough they can’t really say if it was the vaccine or a coincidence I think.

old, semi maga hypochondriacs will bitch about anything to get attention.

That isn't the demographic that decided to reevaluate the language about the vaccine after seeing people get hospitalized the first day it was mass distributed.

the demographic who is imagining an allergic reaction is.  "oh, my arm hurts, I am having trouble breathing, feeling and my throat is sore"

See I just made up an allergic reaction.  Like a total goddam boss

lol, they were hospitalized

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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #12556 on: December 09, 2020, 11:55:54 AM »
is this one of those "this bridge is 99.99999997% safe...I think i'll swim across" kinda things?

Shouldn't or couldn't this be interpreted as a let's get out front of a potential unforeseen issue?
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“But If we need to strengthen our advice, now that we have had this experience with the vulnerable populations, the groups who have been selected as a priority, we get that advice to the field immediately," she said.

Raine’s comments came as part of a general discussion of how her agency will continue to monitor people who receive the Pfizer vaccine, which waas authorized for emergency use last week.

Needing to strengthen advise less than 24 hours after a vaccine is first administered certainly isn't modus operandi.
Yeah I mean nothing about this is MO, though.

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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #12557 on: December 09, 2020, 12:35:37 PM »
You’d think so. Just about any vaccine comes with a minuscule number of people who react negatively. It’s usually small enough they can’t really say if it was the vaccine or a coincidence I think.

old, semi maga hypochondriacs will bitch about anything to get attention.

That isn't the demographic that decided to reevaluate the language about the vaccine after seeing people get hospitalized the first day it was mass distributed.

the demographic who is imagining an allergic reaction is.  "oh, my arm hurts, I am having trouble breathing, feeling and my throat is sore"

See I just made up an allergic reaction.  Like a total goddam boss

lol, they were hospitalized

I could easily get myself hospitalized.

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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #12558 on: December 09, 2020, 12:50:15 PM »
You’d think so. Just about any vaccine comes with a minuscule number of people who react negatively. It’s usually small enough they can’t really say if it was the vaccine or a coincidence I think.

old, semi maga hypochondriacs will bitch about anything to get attention.

That isn't the demographic that decided to reevaluate the language about the vaccine after seeing people get hospitalized the first day it was mass distributed.

the demographic who is imagining an allergic reaction is.  "oh, my arm hurts, I am having trouble breathing, feeling and my throat is sore"

See I just made up an allergic reaction.  Like a total goddam boss

lol, they were hospitalized

Sir calm down, you’re hysterical

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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #12560 on: December 09, 2020, 08:26:28 PM »
DJT going out on a bang.  9/11 level deaths on the daily. 

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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #12561 on: December 09, 2020, 08:29:15 PM »
DJT going out on a bang.  9/11 level deaths on the daily.
Rounding the corner, in style.


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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #12563 on: December 09, 2020, 09:26:48 PM »
I understand the need to tell ourselves this is nothing, but the scientists are telling us it's absolutely something. This could absolutely be a barrier to approval here.

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But a vaccine that triggers dangerous reactions in people with severe allergies poses a major challenge in the U.S., said Dr. Peter Hotez, a pediatrician and dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston.

"If you start issuing recommendations that anyone with an EpiPen doesn't get vaccinated, that could be a showstopper for Americans," he said. About 3 to 4 million Americans carry epinephrine with them at all times in case of allergic reactions, Hotez noted, and 50 million have less severe allergies.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/12/09/covid-pfizer-vaccine-allergic-reaction-uk/6505867002/

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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #12564 on: December 09, 2020, 09:32:48 PM »
it will not be a barrier to approval here


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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #12566 on: December 09, 2020, 09:38:51 PM »
@Trim The vaccines will actually have a chip, congrats!
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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #12567 on: December 09, 2020, 10:39:35 PM »
@Trim The vaccines will actually have a chip, congrats!

Seems redundant.

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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #12568 on: December 09, 2020, 11:01:59 PM »
I understand the need to tell ourselves this is nothing, but the scientists are telling us it's absolutely something. This could absolutely be a barrier to approval here.

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But a vaccine that triggers dangerous reactions in people with severe allergies poses a major challenge in the U.S., said Dr. Peter Hotez, a pediatrician and dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston.

"If you start issuing recommendations that anyone with an EpiPen doesn't get vaccinated, that could be a showstopper for Americans," he said. About 3 to 4 million Americans carry epinephrine with them at all times in case of allergic reactions, Hotez noted, and 50 million have less severe allergies.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/12/09/covid-pfizer-vaccine-allergic-reaction-uk/6505867002/
If you keep scrolling, it appears the general consensus is that British officials overreacted with their guidance, which appears to be based just on a couple cases rather than any hard science.

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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #12569 on: December 10, 2020, 12:57:49 AM »
"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #12570 on: December 10, 2020, 01:28:58 AM »
I understand the need to tell ourselves this is nothing, but the scientists are telling us it's absolutely something. This could absolutely be a barrier to approval here.

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But a vaccine that triggers dangerous reactions in people with severe allergies poses a major challenge in the U.S., said Dr. Peter Hotez, a pediatrician and dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston.

"If you start issuing recommendations that anyone with an EpiPen doesn't get vaccinated, that could be a showstopper for Americans," he said. About 3 to 4 million Americans carry epinephrine with them at all times in case of allergic reactions, Hotez noted, and 50 million have less severe allergies.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/12/09/covid-pfizer-vaccine-allergic-reaction-uk/6505867002/
If you keep scrolling, it appears the general consensus is that British officials overreacted with their guidance, which appears to be based just on a couple cases rather than any hard science.

First of all, don't insult me, I posted the article, of course I read the whole thing. Did you read it because I don't know where you got "general consensus?"

The article mentioned one doctor, exactly one, who said he thinks they reacted. Then his objection, discussing anaphylaxis shock in previous vaccines is irrelevant for two reasons, first, the patients didn't with the reaction didn't go into anaphylactic shock, they had anaphylactic reactions. Secondly, and most importantly, the ingredients that typically caused anaphylaxis were not added to this vaccine which is the largest reason the people in Britain want to study farther and why Pfizer isn't objecting to it. I'll give Dr. Poland the benefit of the doubt that he gave that quote before he had that information because this was such a rapidly developing story.

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« Reply #12571 on: December 10, 2020, 08:15:24 AM »
Wasn’t trying to be insulting, but rather pointing out that the quote you posted from a pediatrician/tropical medicinalist was only a small part of an article featuring TWO doctors who actually specialize in this area and who disagreed with the reaction. Although he didn’t use the phrase “overreact” Dr. Offit had a similar response to Poland:

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Dr. Paul Offit told CNN early Wednesday that severe allergic reactions to vaccines occur in about one of every 1.4 million shots. That's why people are asked to stay in a doctor's office for a few minutes after a vaccination, said Offit, an infectious disease specialist and director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.

Rather than a "blanket recommendation" for people with allergies, "the smarter thing to do would be to try and look at these two patients and see what specific component of the vaccine they were allergic to," he said.

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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #12572 on: December 10, 2020, 09:21:00 AM »
some misfit with an epi pen won't stop the chip.

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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #12573 on: December 10, 2020, 11:51:34 AM »
I think 1% of each state's chip supply should be given to random residents.  Make it fun and let everybody feel like they have a shot at getting an early chip.

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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #12574 on: December 10, 2020, 11:56:38 AM »
I think 1% of each state's chip supply should be given to random residents.  Make it fun and let everybody feel like they have a shot at getting an early chip.

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