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Re: Impeachment Inquiry thread
« Reply #925 on: January 16, 2020, 09:34:09 AM »


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« Reply #926 on: January 16, 2020, 09:40:25 AM »
Dax you were def on board with withholding aid if that’s what you’re asking.

The US has repeatedly demanded something in return for aid over the decades.  For example Joe Biden demanded that the Ukraine do something before he would release the aid.  Just in this case, it was to protect his families corruption.

Otherwise the US has historically quid pro quo’d almost all forms of aid. 

Now apparently Libs want no questions asked, outcomes sought or behaviors changed foreign aid. Sad

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« Reply #927 on: January 16, 2020, 09:41:59 AM »
Delete your post, read the OMB decision, and try again. What you are saying is ok is not even close to what actually happened here.

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Re: Impeachment Inquiry thread
« Reply #928 on: January 16, 2020, 09:42:12 AM »
BUT LIBYA

In the context of a president can do whatever he/she wants, it’s perfectly applicable.  Lib only gets mad if a Pub does it, while most get mad if any do it.

after 8 years of "DOES OBAMA THINK HE IS A KING" it is interesting to hear pubs extoll the virtues of expansive executive power

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« Reply #929 on: January 16, 2020, 09:46:02 AM »
BUT LIBYA

In the context of a president can do whatever he/she wants, it’s perfectly applicable.  Lib only gets mad if a Pub does it, while most get mad if any do it.

after 8 years of "DOES OBAMA THINK HE IS A KING" it is interesting to hear pubs extoll the virtues of expansive executive power

There’s only a modicum of executive power in wanting to investigate corruption. 

Everything Trump has done to date almost exclusively falls into the full purview and jurisdiction of the executive branch.  You guys just don’t like it because it’s Trump.

When Trump gins up something with a couple of NATO allies to go topple a regime, get back to me. 
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Re: Impeachment Inquiry thread
« Reply #930 on: January 16, 2020, 09:53:39 AM »
the guy has openly suggested personally and through his campaign that he should serve beyond term limits

not a big deal but the conservative outrage had Obama even joked about it would have been insane



"Everyone is familiar with William Blackstone’s famous aphorism, “That the king can do no wrong, is a necessary and fundamental principle of the English constitution.” But what does that have to do with us on this side of the Atlantic — we who revolted against a “God-King” with the words “all men are created equal,” broke free, and created a constitutional republic?

As it turns out, precious little. In 1996, Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens wrote that sovereign immunity is a judge-made doctrine that has been “thoroughly discredited” because it is founded on the notion “that a divinely ordained monarch ‘can do no wrong.’ ” Not surprisingly, “Sovereign immunity is a right that cannot be found in the text or the framers’ intent,” wrote recognized legal scholar Erwin Chemerinsky."

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« Reply #931 on: January 16, 2020, 10:02:47 AM »
the guy has openly suggested personally and through his campaign that he should serve beyond term limits

not a big deal but the conservative outrage had Obama even joked about it would have been insane



"Everyone is familiar with William Blackstone’s famous aphorism, “That the king can do no wrong, is a necessary and fundamental principle of the English constitution.” But what does that have to do with us on this side of the Atlantic — we who revolted against a “God-King” with the words “all men are created equal,” broke free, and created a constitutional republic?

As it turns out, precious little. In 1996, Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens wrote that sovereign immunity is a judge-made doctrine that has been “thoroughly discredited” because it is founded on the notion “that a divinely ordained monarch ‘can do no wrong.’ ” Not surprisingly, “Sovereign immunity is a right that cannot be found in the text or the framers’ intent,” wrote recognized legal scholar Erwin Chemerinsky."

First of all, LOL, because I’m not all supporting unlimited presidential powers and I don’t need any lectures on sovereign immunity.

Next, your guy openly lamented term limits, and LOL at the notion he was joking. 

So again, when Trump makes a couple of phone calls to 10 Downing and a few days later “NATO” is toppling a regime in North Africa, we’ll talk. 
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Re: Impeachment Inquiry thread
« Reply #932 on: January 16, 2020, 10:19:14 AM »
Dax you were def on board with withholding aid if that’s what you’re asking.

The US has repeatedly demanded something in return for aid over the decades.  For example Joe Biden demanded that the Ukraine do something before he would release the aid.  Just in this case, it was to protect his families corruption.

Otherwise the US has historically quid pro quo’d almost all forms of aid. 

Now apparently Libs want no questions asked, outcomes sought or behaviors changed foreign aid. Sad

everyone knows that the executive branch has the power of the purse


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« Reply #933 on: January 16, 2020, 10:30:34 AM »
Dax you were def on board with withholding aid if that’s what you’re asking.

The US has repeatedly demanded something in return for aid over the decades.  For example Joe Biden demanded that the Ukraine do something before he would release the aid.  Just in this case, it was to protect his families corruption.

Otherwise the US has historically quid pro quo’d almost all forms of aid. 

Now apparently Libs want no questions asked, outcomes sought or behaviors changed foreign aid. Sad

everyone knows that the executive branch has the power of the purse

Everyone knows the legislative branch controls all foreign affairs and the executive branch doesn’t have broad remedies on how allocated foreign aid is spent. 
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Re: Impeachment Inquiry thread
« Reply #934 on: January 16, 2020, 10:38:39 AM »
it seems that the GAO knows this

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« Reply #935 on: January 16, 2020, 10:42:39 AM »
it seems that the GAO knows this

The GAO certainly offers a valid opinion in which to consider, but that doesn’t change the fact that the executive branch has broad remedies as to the spending of allocated foreign aid.

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Re: Impeachment Inquiry thread
« Reply #936 on: January 16, 2020, 11:33:43 AM »
BUT LIBYA

In the context of a president can do whatever he/she wants, it’s perfectly applicable.  Lib only gets mad if a Pub does it, while most get mad if any do it.

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Re: Impeachment Inquiry thread
« Reply #937 on: January 16, 2020, 11:36:24 AM »
"Faithful execution of the law does not permit the President to substitute his own policy priorities for those that Congress has enacted into law," the opinion said. "[The Office of Management and Budget] OMB withheld funds for a policy reason ... not a programmatic delay. Therefore, we conclude that the OMB violated the ICA [Impoundment Control Act]."

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Re: Impeachment Inquiry thread
« Reply #938 on: January 16, 2020, 11:41:50 AM »
"Faithful execution of the law does not permit the President to substitute his own policy priorities for those that Congress has enacted into law," the opinion said. "[The Office of Management and Budget] OMB withheld funds for a policy reason ... not a programmatic delay. Therefore, we conclude that the OMB violated the ICA [Impoundment Control Act]."

What is spent is not impounded.
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Re: Impeachment Inquiry thread
« Reply #939 on: January 16, 2020, 11:56:39 AM »
"The President has narrow, limited authority to withhold appropriations under the Impoundment Control Act of 1974, OMB told GAO that it withheld the funds to ensure that they were not spent 'in a manner that could conflict with the President’s foreign policy.' The law does not permit OMB to withhold funds for policy reasons."

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« Reply #940 on: January 16, 2020, 12:08:35 PM »
"The President has narrow, limited authority to withhold appropriations under the Impoundment Control Act of 1974, OMB told GAO that it withheld the funds to ensure that they were not spent 'in a manner that could conflict with the President’s foreign policy.' The law does not permit OMB to withhold funds for policy reasons."

Lick I’ve read a ton congressional testimony, and the articles from the wonks who say the president was in the wrong. It all reads like typical wonk we’ve got money we’ve got to spend it BS.  Because not spending it would be worse than spending it. On top of only providing at best lip service to the corruption in Ukraine.  These are career go along to get along types.

While doing what Trump did may have been bullshit, to be wholly dismissive of the corruption component, particularly in a place like the Ukraine is also bullshit.   There’s even people glomming all over the anti-corruption pledge of the new Ukrainian administration.  Lol, it will take  decades to root that out.   I read these articles and it’s clear these policy lifers have rubber stamped billions into corrupt shitholes because nothing builds the old resume like “in charge of (insert aid program here) program for Office of blah blah blah”.   

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Re: Impeachment Inquiry thread
« Reply #941 on: January 16, 2020, 12:10:09 PM »
Nothing Dax will not defend Trump on. Nothing.
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Re: Impeachment Inquiry thread
« Reply #942 on: January 16, 2020, 12:12:04 PM »
Lick I’ve read a ton congressional testimony

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I didn't read the rest. Fully satisfied.

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« Reply #943 on: January 16, 2020, 12:14:56 PM »
 :D
Hyperbolic partisan duplicitous hypocrite

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« Reply #944 on: January 16, 2020, 12:21:23 PM »
Theres nothing perpetually enraged LibBot Nation won’t melt down about and there’s literally no one they won’t support, believe or agree with if they’re OrangeMan Bad. 

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« Reply #946 on: January 16, 2020, 12:25:50 PM »
Guys it’s not my fault you can only understand Twitter. T&P’s
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« Reply #947 on: January 16, 2020, 12:26:57 PM »

Implicated by a guy who is being indicted and likely prosecuted by Barr. 

Good ol Slurs.
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« Reply #948 on: January 16, 2020, 12:33:57 PM »
Not understanding twitter or thinking that twitter is the source of news/et al is VERY MAGA

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Re: Impeachment Inquiry thread
« Reply #949 on: January 16, 2020, 12:41:16 PM »
Not understanding twitter or thinking that twitter is the source of news/et al is VERY MAGA

It enrages them


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