Kansas- more liberal abortion laws than New York

[catastrophe]

Historically speaking, I can’t think of many examples where the church actively tried to influence government and it worked out for the better.

The abolitionist movement was pretty churchy

As was the radical reconstruction movement.

Were there fewer churchgoers in the South?

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Historically speaking, I can’t think of many examples where the church actively tried to influence government and it worked out for the better.

The abolitionist movement was pretty churchy

The movement that MLK, Jr led was deeply influenced by his faith.

He was opposed by people who cited their religious beliefs, also.

[SkinnyBenny]

I just hopped on FB and 

Post screenshots!

[Justwin]

And again, if you want abortions to "go away", provide proper sex ed, advocate for contraception, and support women's choices

This has always been a sticking point for me.  There are ways to affect the number of abortions and right-wing doesn't want to do it.  And they work!!

https://cdphe.colorado.gov/fpp/about-us/colorados-success-long-acting-reversible-contraception-larc

Exactly. Contraception works so damn well to keep things in check.

And I had a pretty long rant about it in the abortion thread, but it ultimately comes down to religious zealots imposing their morality on people. Contraception means you're enabling kids to fornicate, teaching them about sex and contraception means they will on each other 24/7/365 with the seks to them. It's just maddening. And then of course most (obviously not all) then defund schools, healthcare, childcare, etc etc cause it's "socialist". It all adds up to a messed up world with a lot of unwanted kids (which is super shitty) living in a cruel in uncaring world that only celebrated them bursting forth from the womb.

Opposing government provision of the things you mention is not the same as opposing them. The government provision of a lot of these things leads to a lot of messed up kids.

[Spracne]

@BAC, I just caught up, but to answer your Texas question a few pages back, there is no way for the People to force a referendum. The only time Texas folks get to directly vote is on proposed Constitutional amendments. So, the Legislature would have to propose an amendment, and after last night, you can probably surmise the likelihood of that.

[cfbandyman]

Historically speaking, I can’t think of many examples where the church actively tried to influence government and it worked out for the better.

The abolitionist movement was pretty churchy

The movement that MLK, Jr led was deeply influenced by his faith.

He was opposed by people who cited their religious beliefs, also.

Yeah abolitionism and civil rights has been pretty religiously influenced for the better, by no means perfect but the whole I'd argue was in the right vein

[Spracne]

Historically speaking, I can’t think of many examples where the church actively tried to influence government and it worked out for the better.

The abolitionist movement was pretty churchy

The movement that MLK, Jr led was deeply influenced by his faith.

He was opposed by people who cited their religious beliefs, also.

Yeah abolitionism and civil rights has been pretty religiously influenced for the better, by no means perfect but the whole I'd argue was in the right vein

Yeah, but religion is so pervasive (even more so in the past) that you will inevitably find religiously motivated people on both sides of historical issues wrapping themselves in the mantle of God's will.

[bucket]

I just hopped on FB and 

Post screenshots!

Sorry, I don't have Tapatalk so I can only post 192KB attachments per post. To sum it up, a girl posted one of those personal emoji's and it says "I hate Kansas" and then people started attacking each other in the comments.

[cfbandyman]

Historically speaking, I can’t think of many examples where the church actively tried to influence government and it worked out for the better.

The abolitionist movement was pretty churchy

The movement that MLK, Jr led was deeply influenced by his faith.

He was opposed by people who cited their religious beliefs, also.

Yeah abolitionism and civil rights has been pretty religiously influenced for the better, by no means perfect but the whole I'd argue was in the right vein

Yeah, but religion is so pervasive (even more so in the past) that you will inevitably find religiously motivated people on both sides of historical issues wrapping themselves in the mantle of God's will.

For sure, overall it should not be involved with government, like at all.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Less government involvement should be a good thing.

Yeah, I take heart in this issue, and hopefully more in the future being left up to states and local municipalities.

Our state officials had to pass this amendment with a 2/3 vote to even get it on the ballot, so I wouldn't say they represent the public very well.

[michigancat]

Less government involvement should be a good thing.

Yeah, I take heart in this issue, and hopefully more in the future being left up to states and local municipalities.

Our state officials had to pass this amendment with a 2/3 vote to even get it on the ballot, so I wouldn't say they represent the public very well.

That's pretty wild given the results

[nicname]

Historically speaking, I can’t think of many examples where the church actively tried to influence government and it worked out for the better.

The abolitionist movement was pretty churchy

As was the radical reconstruction movement.

Were there fewer churchgoers in the South?

Can’t saw, but the church, especially the black church was instrumental in the freedmen’s quick economic, educational and political ascension. This is especially true of the Methodists and other Protestant Yankees and the AME churches that sprang up across the south.

[Hurricane Cat]

it is pretty stunning how badly this thing got its entire ass whipped. I mean, public polling for abortion access is pretty unanimous in its support but, in KANSAS!?

Yes very surprised to see this result in Kansas.   Kansas is obviously conservative but not as extremist as I feared.

[passranch]

metric system

Communist.

[catastrophe]

Less government involvement should be a good thing.

Yeah, I take heart in this issue, and hopefully more in the future being left up to states and local municipalities.

Our state officials had to pass this amendment with a 2/3 vote to even get it on the ballot, so I wouldn't say they represent the public very well.

That's pretty wild given the results

Yep. That’s the real lede here. State reps can absolutely suck at representing their constituents.

[_33]

I think there were a lot of first time voters who probably did not cast a ballot for any state rep. And if I had to guess, I would say a large chunk of these first timers will go back to not casting a ballot for state reps.

[catastrophe]

I think there were a lot of first time voters who probably did not cast a ballot for any state rep. And if I had to guess, I would say a large chunk of these first timers will go back to not casting a ballot for state reps.

I think that’s a good guess based on the results, but doesn’t change the fact that most reps don’t actually give a crap about what their constituents think.

[_33]

I think there were a lot of first time voters who probably did not cast a ballot for any state rep. And if I had to guess, I would say a large chunk of these first timers will go back to not casting a ballot for state reps.

I think that’s a good guess based on the results, but doesn’t change the fact that most reps don’t actually give a crap about what their constituents think.

Agreed

[Dugout DickStone]

Yea I’d agree the say yea galvanized a lot of voters

[steve dave]

state reps do a very good job of representing the high energy voter. which is 100% old people. but, maybe that's a lesson about old people being allowed to vote and serve.

VOTE SD 2028 WHERE WE TACKLE THIS AND OTHER CLEARLY BULLSHIT ITEMS LIKE SEASONS AND NOT USING THE METRIC SYSTEM

[BIG APPLE CAT]

SD I know you’re not a big “tax guy” but how are you going to tax the ultra-wealthy as compared to how they are currently being taxed? I may be a single issue voter on this topic

[steve dave]

SD I know you’re not a big “tax guy” but how are you going to tax the ultra-wealthy as compared to how they are currently being taxed? I may be a single issue voter on this topic

I say tax'em

[sonofdaxjones]

#blueanon declares consequences

https://twitter.com/jackstackbbq/status/1554904729075032064?s=20&t=m5I_aht6Dl9SZaveAzl8NQ

[BIG APPLE CAT]

SD I know you’re not a big “tax guy” but how are you going to tax the ultra-wealthy as compared to how they are currently being taxed? I may be a single issue voter on this topic

I say tax'em

I will absolutely be casting my vote in the 2028 election!

[steve dave]

SD I know you’re not a big “tax guy” but how are you going to tax the ultra-wealthy as compared to how they are currently being taxed? I may be a single issue voter on this topic

I say tax'em

I will absolutely be casting my vote in the 2028 election!

Thank you, I am very smart