Incel master thread

[wetwillie]

Yeah, their biggest problem is that they are rough ridin' idiots. That's not something that they can easily control, either, though.

That’s the irony, a good portion of the community is high IQ low EQ.  It’s like chingon stated, they have accumulated the points ( money, education, etc) and want to cash in.

[DQ12]

iirc the birth control argument is that now women can have multiple/non-monogamous partners without risk of pregnancy and because of that are less prone to settle down into a monogamous relationship forcing a 1:1 ratio.

The ones I've read talk about the professional freedom the pill gave women leading to less dependence on men which in turn makes monogamy less important. 

[CHONGS]

There was no equality for women before the birth control pill. It’s completely insane to assume that anything like that could’ve possibly occurred. And the feminists think they produced a revolution in the 1960s that freed women. What freed women was the pill, and we’ll see how that works out. There’s some evidence that women on the pill don’t like masculine men because of changes in hormonal balance. You can test a woman’s preference in men. You can show them pictures of men and change the jaw width, and what you find is that women who aren’t on the pill like wide-jawed men when they’re ovulating, and they like narrow-jawed men when they’re not, and the narrow-jawed men are less aggressive. Well all women on the pill are as if they’re not ovulating, so it’s possible that a lot of the antipathy that exists right now between women and men exists because of the birth control pill. The idea that women were discriminated against across the course of history is appalling.

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[mocat]

so birth control is causing women to have sex with more dudes, making it less likely that women have sex with ugly/weird dudes? 

[DQ12]

so birth control is causing women to have sex with more dudes, making it less likely that women have sex with ugly/weird dudes? 

actually yes, that's how the theory goes.  it's a little counter-intuitive on its face but if you think about it, you'll get it.

1. monogamous relationships cause more egalitarian sex numbers. 
2. the pill leads to fewer monogamous relationships. 
3. the pill leads to less egalitarian sex numbers.

if women get to be choosier, then they're not going to choose uggos/weirds.

[8manpick]

there's a few dudes banging tons of chicks on tinder.

This seemed to have been true in bars pre-tinder too though

[mocat]

women are having more sexual partners than ever before, and at the same time, fewer dudes are getting laid than ever before. what

[Dugout DickStone]

iirc the birth control argument is that now women can have multiple/non-monogamous partners without risk of pregnancy and because of that are less prone to settle down into a monogamous relationship forcing a 1:1 ratio.

The ones I've read talk about the professional freedom the pill gave women leading to less dependence on men which in turn makes monogamy less important.

But that doesn't create incels.  It creates less marriage

[DQ12]

women are having more sexual partners than ever before, and at the same time, fewer dudes are getting laid than ever before. what

"there is more money in the world now than ever before, but income inequality is worse than ever. what."

it just means some studs are getting a ton of pelts.

iirc the birth control argument is that now women can have multiple/non-monogamous partners without risk of pregnancy and because of that are less prone to settle down into a monogamous relationship forcing a 1:1 ratio.

The ones I've read talk about the professional freedom the pill gave women leading to less dependence on men which in turn makes monogamy less important.

But that doesn't create incels.  It creates less marriage

which in turn creates incels.  if incels had gfs/wives, they'd likely be having sex.

[CHONGS]

Incels aren't looking for girlfriends, they want convenient, low effort vaginas to sick their dick in. 

[mocat]

i don't think it's BC, dlew. i think it's a combo of p0rn, video games, and ubereats (etc) all being incredibly amazing / more easily accessible than ever before and some guys just can't wield all that power. they just wake up one day at 34 and think holy crap i haven't gotten laid since college and there are hairs growing out of my fat sores

[mocat]

i haven't thought about this a lot tho, i admit

[mocat]

i'm also not willing to rule out bitcoin somehow playing a role (purely based on anecdotally encountering people who talk about bitcoin)

[DQ12]

Incels aren't looking for girlfriends, they want convenient, low effort vaginas to sick their dick in.

I will say i think you're wrong about that.  Sex is what defines them, but really, I think at the end of the day, these guys are angry at how lonely they are.  If all they wanted was low effort, meaningless sex then they could go pay a pro.

i don't think it's BC, dlew. i think it's a combo of p0rn, video games, and ubereats (etc) all being incredibly amazing / more easily accessible than ever before and some guys just can't wield all that power. they just wake up one day at 34 and think holy crap i haven't gotten laid since college and there are hairs growing out of my fat sores

Yeah i don't disagree with you there.  Like I said, I don't think birth control is the sole cause of it at all.  I think women being economically freer (aided by the pill) is one of a ton of causes of the phenomenon.  The other causes your bring up are good points too (prevalence of porn, ease of modern living, etc.).

[wetwillie]

It will course correct eventually but the transition could get a little ugly. 

[star seed 7]

Man, dlew, good work in here. You're much better at expressing what I want to say than I am.

[Trim]

i'm also not willing to rule out bitcoin somehow playing a role (purely based on anecdotally encountering people who talk about bitcoin)

[CHONGS]

Incels aren't looking for girlfriends, they want convenient, low effort vaginas to sick their dick in.

I will say i think you're wrong about that.  Sex is what defines them, but really, I think at the end of the day, these guys are angry at how lonely they are. 

I am pretty sure we disagree.  I don't think they're looking for companionship (platonic or otherwise), otherwise they wouldn't be calling themselves incels. They want what Chad has (or rather what they think Chad has).

[chum1]

How do betas figure in here?

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think evolution will sort this out over the course of a few generations.

[mocat]

How do betas figure in here?

these are the people benefiting from BC

[mocat]

to keep with DLew's money analogy, betas are the evaporating middle class. they have either morphed into alphas due to all the no-consequence hole flying around, or have regressed into incels if nobody marries them

[CHONGS]

Funny how were back to talking about women like a they're commodity again.

[DQ12]

Funny how were back to talking about women like a they're commodity again.

It was an analogy to help our bud mocat understand what he was treating as a statistical impossibility.

[mocat]

incels