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Re: KU Basketball is Hurting
« Reply #775 on: April 13, 2021, 09:51:39 AM »
when did volleyball stop using Ahearn?  Turning it into an elite VB facility for 3 to 4k fans seems like a great use of a historic building.  Playing a couple years of weekend BB noncons there would command premium ticket prices for at least a few seasons even with the current state of oscar's program.

The money it would take to do required upgrades to host anything of substance in Ahearn is enormous from what I've heard.

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« Reply #776 on: April 13, 2021, 02:39:42 PM »
when did volleyball stop using Ahearn?  Turning it into an elite VB facility for 3 to 4k fans seems like a great use of a historic building.  Playing a couple years of weekend BB noncons there would command premium ticket prices for at least a few seasons even with the current state of oscar's program.

The money it would take to do required upgrades to host anything of substance in Ahearn is enormous from what I've heard.

seems like gene taylor could just release that information and not keep it a guarded secret but he seems to suck bad enough as an AD that he doesn't need any advice from me


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Re: KU Basketball is Hurting
« Reply #777 on: April 13, 2021, 02:54:45 PM »
As someone who's actually been in Ahearn this year canco it's hot garb in there and would need a ton of money just to be ADA compatible.

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« Reply #778 on: April 13, 2021, 03:04:25 PM »
Gene needs to pay a bodyguard that will muzzle anyone who mentions Ahearn in his presence. The mere act of listening to any idea about Ahearn is incredibly expensive for the entire university. The only viable option here is to put up a fence around it, cover it with a giant drop cloth, and pretend that it doesn't even exist.

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« Reply #779 on: April 13, 2021, 06:34:29 PM »
A lot of you need to look up goal number 12.  NO self limitations.

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« Reply #780 on: April 13, 2021, 07:18:36 PM »
What if we filled ahearn with water? Boom natatorium issue solved!
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« Reply #781 on: April 13, 2021, 09:12:06 PM »
Put dirt on the floor of the building, put out a raised floor, hang an Every Man A Wildcat banner somewhere and let everyone smokes cigs in the building for a night.

Boom. Ahearn remembered.

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« Reply #782 on: April 13, 2021, 10:02:37 PM »
I know there are other threads for stupid unrealistic facilities dreams, but I have always thought that revaming Ahearn to hold 8K or so would be fun, and make over half of it student seating...completely encircle the floor with first level student section and make a small upper deck almost all luxury seating and club for alumni who cough up cash.


Edgy people on this blog trash this Ahearn pipe dream but I have it too. Yes Ahearn sucks. Yes it's hot garbage and would be exorbitantly expensive to revamp. But arenas with history are cool too every once in a while for a small handful of non-con games a year, 'specially for those of us townie qat fans who are of the age where we just barely missed seeing a game in legendary 'hearn but grew up with everyone we know telling us how incredible it was. We all want luxury suites and jumbotrons long-term, but eff it...if we're playing Southern Utah, I'd stomach ancient and decrepit facilities to be able to enjoy a little history I missed out on. Especially if we use the old 1960s-era scoreboard where the game clock appeared to be an actual clock. You got a problem with my Ahearn pipe dream? Meet me up on the weird rafter/catwalk/press area (???) thing and we can settle this the way Dick Knostman and Lew Hitch would've.
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« Reply #783 on: April 14, 2021, 12:17:35 AM »
I am the old on here and attended games in Ahearn thru college.  If its too costly to revamp,, and we're going to upgrade Bram is there a compromise scenario where we make Bram more Ahearny?

Give me a pitched roof with steel beams, a few windows to drop some sunlight in on the Saturday afternoon games.  Wheel in a couple food trailers to sell popcorn. Give real Willie his own habitat by the club.  Figure out how to incorporate those steep steps and little tunnels.  Slap a little more limestone up.

They literally raised the roof on Gallagher Iba to add an upper deck.  Surely the HIQE on here can draw this up.


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Re: KU Basketball is Hurting
« Reply #784 on: April 14, 2021, 11:35:22 AM »
I didn't go to any games there, but I remember that's where I stood in line for my freshman enrollment/financial aid paperwork stuff. 1994 I think? I think Asbury was coach so I know we sucked anyway.

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Re: KU Basketball is Hurting
« Reply #785 on: April 14, 2021, 11:45:22 AM »
I went to some games there, but I don't really remember them.

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« Reply #786 on: April 14, 2021, 12:09:51 PM »
I went to some games there, but I don't really remember them.

Yeah, I've been told I went to games there but was too young to remember.

The only time I remember even going in the building was because my macroecon teacher had an office in there and I needed to turn something in.
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« Reply #787 on: April 14, 2021, 12:21:52 PM »
In a weird way, it was actually a pretty decent venue for volleyball - just an odd/unique setup. Even with only 1,000 people, it would get decently loud. The lack of A/C did suck for August/September matches (I imagine opposing teams hated that since they weren't used to it).

I can't remember when, but in the late 90s/early 2000s, K-State hosted NCAAs instead of Nebraska and there were definitely all sorts of firecode violations when the corn people packed the stands (and endlessly bitched about having to come to MHK instead of hosting themselves).

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« Reply #788 on: April 14, 2021, 01:58:25 PM »
I am the old on here and attended games in Ahearn thru college.  If its too costly to revamp,, and we're going to upgrade Bram is there a compromise scenario where we make Bram more Ahearny?

Give me a pitched roof with steel beams, a few windows to drop some sunlight in on the Saturday afternoon games.  Wheel in a couple food trailers to sell popcorn. Give real Willie his own habitat by the club.  Figure out how to incorporate those steep steps and little tunnels.  Slap a little more limestone up.

They literally raised the roof on Gallagher Iba to add an upper deck.  Surely the HIQE on here can draw this up.


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Re: KU Basketball is Hurting
« Reply #789 on: April 14, 2021, 05:22:10 PM »
I know there are other threads for stupid unrealistic facilities dreams, but I have always thought that revaming Ahearn to hold 8K or so would be fun, and make over half of it student seating...completely encircle the floor with first level student section and make a small upper deck almost all luxury seating and club for alumni who cough up cash.


Edgy people on this blog trash this Ahearn pipe dream but I have it too. Yes Ahearn sucks. Yes it's hot garbage and would be exorbitantly expensive to revamp. But arenas with history are cool too every once in a while for a small handful of non-con games a year, 'specially for those of us townie qat fans who are of the age where we just barely missed seeing a game in legendary 'hearn but grew up with everyone we know telling us how incredible it was. We all want luxury suites and jumbotrons long-term, but eff it...if we're playing Southern Utah, I'd stomach ancient and decrepit facilities to be able to enjoy a little history I missed out on. Especially if we use the old 1960s-era scoreboard where the game clock appeared to be an actual clock. You got a problem with my Ahearn pipe dream? Meet me up on the weird rafter/catwalk/press area (???) thing and we can settle this the way Dick Knostman and Lew Hitch would've.

Northwestern renovated their arena, Welsh-Ryan for $110 million. It was built in 1952 with a capacity of 9,500 and now holds 7,039 (Ahearn opened in 1950 with 14,000 and closed in '88 around 12k to give you a size comparison). Bramlage renovations are projected  at $85 million and will reduce capacity to introduce more luxury seating and a mid level concourse.

I mention Welsh Ryan because the interior might look familiar:

https://www.supportthecats.com/capital-projects/welsh-ryan-arena.html


I am sure someone can photoshop a powercat onto the court.
 

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« Reply #790 on: April 14, 2021, 05:36:20 PM »
What a beaut.

But, we're stuck with Bramlage, guys. With the SEZ and $85 mill hopefully they can make chicken salad out of that chicken crap.

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« Reply #791 on: April 14, 2021, 07:24:01 PM »
when did volleyball stop using Ahearn?  Turning it into an elite VB facility for 3 to 4k fans seems like a great use of a historic building.  Playing a couple years of weekend BB noncons there would command premium ticket prices for at least a few seasons even with the current state of oscar's program.

Completely stop with no hope of going back? This season. It was a slow bleed of games to Bramlage before that though. Everything over there is just too cramped and old. There is a chance they might have to go to Ahearn for a match or two next November when basketball starts up, but Ahearn is dunzo as our volleyball home court.

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« Reply #792 on: April 14, 2021, 07:29:06 PM »
In a weird way, it was actually a pretty decent venue for volleyball - just an odd/unique setup. Even with only 1,000 people, it would get decently loud. The lack of A/C did suck for August/September matches (I imagine opposing teams hated that since they weren't used to it).

I can't remember when, but in the late 90s/early 2000s, K-State hosted NCAAs instead of Nebraska and there were definitely all sorts of firecode violations when the corn people packed the stands (and endlessly bitched about having to come to MHK instead of hosting themselves).

We actually hosted more than once. The record there is just over 5000 and that was for a regular season match against nubb. They didn't move the court, scoreboard set up didn't allow that, so there were people all the way to what would be midcourt for basketball. Those were super duper obstructed view seats. We had a couple of more crowds around 4000 and more around 3000 back then. Around the mid 2000's they capped capacity at around 2000 and they hung that giant tarp behind the student section to make sure everyone was contained to the south side of the building.

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« Reply #793 on: April 14, 2021, 07:46:32 PM »
I went to quite a few volleyball games at ahearn in 01/02 ish. It was fun!


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« Reply #794 on: April 15, 2021, 04:01:30 PM »
I am the old on here and attended games in Ahearn thru college.  If its too costly to revamp,, and we're going to upgrade Bram is there a compromise scenario where we make Bram more Ahearny?

Give me a pitched roof with steel beams, a few windows to drop some sunlight in on the Saturday afternoon games.  Wheel in a couple food trailers to sell popcorn. Give real Willie his own habitat by the club.  Figure out how to incorporate those steep steps and little tunnels.  Slap a little more limestone up.

They literally raised the roof on Gallagher Iba to add an upper deck.  Surely the HIQE on here can draw this up.


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You have my attention.  Or, give fake Willie his own habitat where he has to act like an actual wildcat, eat rodents, perch on  limb and spray trees with urine

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« Reply #795 on: April 15, 2021, 04:24:33 PM »
I've remembered seeing somerhng in Ahearn. Willie doing a striptease. Took of layers of warm ups, uniform, down to undershirt and boxers (I think). Recurring bit. Everyone loved it.

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« Reply #796 on: April 15, 2021, 04:44:24 PM »
Do you think they can tear down Ahearn while they're renovating Bramlage and use some of the materials from the Ahearn shithouse in the reno?

Call it Bramlage Fieldhouse after and all is right in the world.

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« Reply #797 on: April 16, 2021, 12:35:03 AM »
Actually I believe Northwestern's renovation did what Butler's Hinkle Fieldhouse renovation did: re-oriented the court 90 degrees from what it used to be. It looks kind of weird with the rafters going the "wrong" way but now there are at least five schools I can think of whose court runs perpendicular to the rafters, so it's not as alarming anymore. Anyway, in doing so it allows them to stretch the rows behind the sidelines up higher than they used to, and behind the baskets now they just stack two really tiny 7-row decks on top of each other since the building doesn't allow much room to add rows back.

To wit...

Old Hinkle:




New Hinkle:



If we were ever to retrofit Ahearn, which we won't, I imagine we'd maybe have to do that? So many of these old fieldhouses doubled as armories and indoor track places and crap, so their dimensions don't always work great for hoops by today's sightline standards. That's why there were so many horrendous seats in Ahearn behind the baskets back in the day. It was very 90's Kyle Field'y.

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« Reply #798 on: April 16, 2021, 07:39:56 AM »
K-State Architecture students came up with the BFH plan for AFH, they were ignored.


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« Reply #799 on: April 16, 2021, 02:47:23 PM »

Actually I believe Northwestern's renovation did what Butler's Hinkle Fieldhouse renovation did: re-oriented the court 90 degrees from what it used to be.


You would be wrong.  Welsh-Ryan Arena was always that way.  Pre-renovation pic below as proof:




Building hoops arenas in that orientation was also a thing.  Here is Oregon State's Gill Coliseum:



Same as the 40's when it was new: