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« Reply #150 on: February 24, 2019, 11:14:22 AM »
Who has more final four appearances in that 14 year stretch? I bet you can count them on one hand and not use your thumb.
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Re: the other games thread
« Reply #151 on: February 24, 2019, 12:22:25 PM »
The streak is statistically amazing, but I think it’s fair to say that KU wouldn’t have been able to accomplish it in any of the other major conferences. On the flip side, maybe only Duke would have been able to accomplish it here in the Big 12 if they switched with KU. So it’s a big deal, but needs a little perspective. You would think a team that won a major conference championship 14 years straight would have far more success in the NCAAs, but that’s not what’s happened. Instead, they have been consistently good enough to stay slightly ahead of the bumper cars that is the rest of this conference.

And looking at the remainder of K-State’s and Tech’s schedules, I still think it’s about even money for KU to snag a share of a 15th.

If KU had switched places with Kentucky 14 years ago, I bet KU could have had that streak in the SEC.  The SEC has not been as good as the Big 12 over that stretch.  Kentucky, and Calipari, are more one-and-done than KU.  Self is a better program builder than Calipari.  Calipari is a shepherd of top talent, until that talent is ready to move to the next level. Self attempts to bend them to his will, and the better of the program.


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Re: the other games thread
« Reply #152 on: February 24, 2019, 12:26:39 PM »
Ppl say the big 12 sucks because of this streak and I have always called bullshit on this. Last year we had 4 teams in the sweet 16 and 3 in the elite 8. Not trying to be Iowa State here, but it’s very apparent that over the years KU gets most 50/50 calls in this conference. They’re the only blue blood in the big 12, so it helped along the way.


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« Reply #153 on: February 24, 2019, 12:41:56 PM »
We are the only P5 league that doesn’t have multiple teams with a national championship so I think an element of truth exists that relative to the other conferences we do suck.  When’s the last time a non KU team was a legitimate threat to win it all?  I suppose top to bottom we are very competitive but our elite is not on par with other conferences elite.
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« Reply #154 on: February 24, 2019, 01:03:08 PM »


We are the only P5 league that doesn’t have multiple teams with a national championship so I think an element of truth exists that relative to the other conferences we do suck.  When’s the last time a non KU team was a legitimate threat to win it all?  I suppose top to bottom we are very competitive but our elite is not on par with other conferences elite.

Oklahoma was in the final four in 2016 :dunno:

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« Reply #155 on: February 24, 2019, 01:22:38 PM »
That’s true, they got beat by 40 so it’s hard for me to count them as a threat to win a title but maybe that’s not fair.  I suppose we have had a handful of 2 seeds that were probably good enough to win it all. I think the 2003 tournament with Texas led by TJ Ford was the last time someone else got a 1 seed.
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« Reply #156 on: February 24, 2019, 01:39:15 PM »
So to be clear, I actually think it’s the overall parity and quality of the B12 that has contributed to the streak. The B12 consistently produces at least 4 or 5 good-not-great teams every single year, and KU is consistently just a bit better and more consistent than the others. They stay above the fray while the other teams hand each other losses. So the I think the streak is a bit of a fluke, but not in a way that should detract from KU’s accomplishment.

This year, KU simply isn’t better than Tech, or K-State while playing on the road. If the streak is going to end, this is the year.
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« Reply #157 on: February 24, 2019, 01:46:06 PM »
Who has more final four appearances in that 14 year stretch? I bet you can count them on one hand and not use your thumb.

I think KU has one one of the highest failure rates of reaching the FF as a one seed in the past several decades. Of course, they garner a lot of 1 seeds coming out of the B12 - which is itself a great accomplishment.
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« Reply #158 on: February 24, 2019, 01:55:31 PM »


That’s true, they got beat by 40 so it’s hard for me to count them as a threat to win a title but maybe that’s not fair.  I suppose we have had a handful of 2 seeds that were probably good enough to win it all. I think the 2003 tournament with Texas led by TJ Ford was the last time someone else got a 1 seed.

I think a 2 seed making the final four should be considered a threat to win. But you do whatever fits your narrative

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« Reply #159 on: February 24, 2019, 02:11:11 PM »
Who has more final four appearances in that 14 year stretch? I bet you can count them on one hand and not use your thumb.

I think KU has one one of the highest failure rates of reaching the FF as a one seed in the past several decades. Of course, they garner a lot of 1 seeds coming out of the B12 - which is itself a great accomplishment.

That could be.   Getting a 1 seed is really hard and KU has got one 8 times under self which is absurd. 
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« Reply #160 on: February 24, 2019, 02:50:17 PM »
So I was kinda right - kinda wrong. I looked back at the NCAA tourney performance of 4 teams: Kentucky, Duke, Kansas, and North Carolina, over the past 14 years (the streak). I recorded each team’s seed, the round they made it to, and gave them a score based upon whether they played below, to, or above seed. So if you’re a 1 seed and reach the FF, you played to seed and get a 0. If you’re a 1 seed and win the championship that’s 2 games above seed so you get a 2. If you’re a 2 seed and you lose in the round of 64, that’s 3 games below seed for a -3.

Here’s the results:

Kentucky has the lowest average seed of 4.5833, but also averaged an impressive .5833 against the seed.

North Carolina has an average seed of 2.4615, and averaged .1538 against the seed.

Kansas has the highest average seed of 1.7143, but averaged -0.7857 against the seed.

Duke has an average seed of 2.1429, but averaged -0.9286 against the seed.

So Duke actually underperforms a bit more than KU in the tourney despite starting with about the same seed. Kentucky generally starts with a much worse seed but far outperforms it, whereas North Carolina has the most consistent record in terms of high average seed while slightly outperforming it.

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« Reply #161 on: February 24, 2019, 03:26:20 PM »
The one thing that helped KU quite a bit for the first half of the streak was the unbalanced schedule.
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« Reply #162 on: February 24, 2019, 03:27:25 PM »
Agreed

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« Reply #163 on: February 24, 2019, 03:29:17 PM »
The one thing that helped KU quite a bit for the first half of the streak was the unbalanced schedule.

Yep, in one of those years they lost to Texas, but shared the title with them.  The "shared" title has been a big help too.

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« Reply #164 on: February 24, 2019, 03:48:26 PM »
The one thing that helped KU quite a bit for the first half of the streak was the unbalanced schedule.

Yep, in one of those years they lost to Texas, but shared the title with them.  The "shared" title has been a big help too.

definitely some Big 12 tourney #2 seed championships sprinkled in there.
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« Reply #165 on: February 25, 2019, 11:45:32 AM »
We are the only P5 league that doesn’t have multiple teams with a national championship so I think an element of truth exists that relative to the other conferences we do suck.  When’s the last time a non KU team was a legitimate threat to win it all?  I suppose top to bottom we are very competitive but our elite is not on par with other conferences elite.

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Re: the other games thread
« Reply #166 on: February 26, 2019, 08:36:47 PM »
TCU WVU :surprised: :surprised: :surprised: :surprised: bout to run up on OT 3, this game is the worst officiated big 12 game this year

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« Reply #167 on: February 26, 2019, 08:46:11 PM »
TCU WVU :surprised: :surprised: :surprised: :surprised: bout to run up on OT 3, this game is the worst officiated big 12 game this year

Watching now, so far both teams look terrible.
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« Reply #168 on: February 26, 2019, 08:46:42 PM »
Well it's probably over now
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« Reply #169 on: February 26, 2019, 10:52:32 PM »
Maybe a second 3 OT game! I started watching 35 minutes ago with 2 minutes left in OT1. This is terrible.
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« Reply #170 on: February 26, 2019, 10:53:36 PM »
Oh, maybe IU won it? 0.7 seconds, I assume Wisconsin will somehow make a 2 to send it to 3OT
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Re: the other games thread
« Reply #171 on: February 27, 2019, 02:01:44 AM »
TCU WVU :surprised: :surprised: :surprised: :surprised: bout to run up on OT 3, this game is the worst officiated big 12 game this year

Watching now, so far both teams look terrible.
Have you not watched WVU at all this season? This was one of our BEST games. *sigh* TCU still the only B12 team never to win at the Coliseum!

Also...

Jamie Dixon can eat crap.

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« Reply #172 on: February 27, 2019, 09:25:37 AM »
TCU WVU :surprised: :surprised: :surprised: :surprised: bout to run up on OT 3, this game is the worst officiated big 12 game this year

Watching now, so far both teams look terrible.
Have you not watched WVU at all this season? This was one of our BEST games. *sigh* TCU still the only B12 team never to win at the Coliseum!

Also...

Jamie Dixon can eat crap.

You guys still hate him, huh?

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« Reply #173 on: February 27, 2019, 09:29:37 AM »
I didn't even consider the pitt-wvu rivalry, that makes sense, I just assumed it's because he didn't shake Huggins hand last night after the game.

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Re: the other games thread
« Reply #174 on: February 27, 2019, 09:50:25 AM »
TCU WVU :surprised: :surprised: :surprised: :surprised: bout to run up on OT 3, this game is the worst officiated big 12 game this year

Watching now, so far both teams look terrible.
Have you not watched WVU at all this season? This was one of our BEST games. *sigh* TCU still the only B12 team never to win at the Coliseum!

Also...

Jamie Dixon can eat crap.

You guys still hate him, huh?
Yep!