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The Catholics. My goodness. Deviant Priests
« on: August 19, 2018, 08:21:03 PM »
God haters and Jesus bashers are going to have a field day with all of the lastest sexual abuse news I the Catholic Church.
Sad.
A few jerks is destroying the respect long
In the  entire realm of Christianity.
How can it be fixed?


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Re: The Catholics. My goodness. Deviant Priests
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2018, 08:28:44 PM »
We should pay priests more.

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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2018, 08:34:10 PM »
We should pay priests more.

Wouldn't help, they would just give it to the Vatican or spent it on wine.
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Re: The Catholics. My goodness. Deviant Priests
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2018, 08:47:46 PM »
Allowing priests to marry would be a great start. There is no biblical basis for the current practice.
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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2018, 08:55:05 PM »
Allowing priests to marry would be a great start. There is no biblical basis for the current practice.

Actually, priests were allowed to marry.  Several centuries ago, a pope changed at that. 
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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2018, 08:55:21 PM »
Allowing priests to marry would be a great start. There is no biblical basis for the current practice.

Especially since Mary Magdalene was Jesus’s wife and had his kid.
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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2018, 08:59:31 PM »
Allowing priests to marry would be a great start. There is no biblical basis for the current practice.

Especially since Mary Magdalene was Jesus’s wife and had his kid.

What, Mary Mother of God, wouldn't be humping her son too!  :surprised:
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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2018, 09:00:44 PM »
Allowing priests to marry would be a great start. There is no biblical basis for the current practice.

Especially since Mary Magdalene was Jesus’s wife and had his kid.

What, Mary Mother of God, wouldn't be humping her son too!  :surprised:

Not that Mary.
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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2018, 09:23:32 PM »
Allowing priests to marry would be a great start. There is no biblical basis for the current practice.

Is there any chance of this though?  Serious non-pit question.

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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2018, 09:56:43 PM »
Allowing priests to marry would be a great start. There is no biblical basis for the current practice.

Is there any chance of this though?  Serious non-pit question.

It’s unlikely. The Church is resistant to radical change, and that would be radical. But it is at least a serious topic of discussion among Catholics. The other possible safeguard is ordaining women to the priesthood (I think less likely) or at least elevating them to higher levels of authority (not sure how the Church could give a non-priest authority over a priest, however).

These horrible crimes are largely rooted in the sad fact that the priesthood has for a very long time been a refuge of sorts for some deeply troubled, closeted homosexuals. The vast vast majority of the molestations are homosexual in nature. Allowing priests to marry eliminates that draw, not to mention makes the priesthood a more appealing vocation for more people.

Celibacy of the priesthood is one of the Catholic traditions I have the hardest time grappling with.
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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2018, 10:00:04 PM »
Allowing priests to marry would be a great start. There is no biblical basis for the current practice.

Is there any chance of this though?  Serious non-pit question.

It’s unlikely. The Church is resistant to radical change, and that would be radical. But it is at least a serious topic of discussion among Catholics. The other possible safeguard is ordaining women to the priesthood (I think less likely) or at least elevating them to higher levels of authority (not sure how the Church could give a non-priest authority over a priest, however).

These horrible crimes are largely rooted in the sad fact that the priesthood has for a very long time been a refuge of sorts for some deeply troubled, closeted homosexuals. The vast vast majority of the molestations are homosexual in nature. Allowing priests to marry eliminates that draw, not to mention makes the priesthood a more appealing vocation for more people.

Celibacy of the priesthood is one of the Catholic traditions I have the hardest time grappling with.

I've heard the word reformation thrown around since the grand jury report came out so it may not be as unlikely as you think.

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« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2018, 11:21:12 PM »
Allowing priests to marry would be a great start. There is no biblical basis for the current practice.

Is there any chance of this though?  Serious non-pit question.

It’s unlikely. The Church is resistant to radical change, and that would be radical. But it is at least a serious topic of discussion among Catholics. The other possible safeguard is ordaining women to the priesthood (I think less likely) or at least elevating them to higher levels of authority (not sure how the Church could give a non-priest authority over a priest, however).

These horrible crimes are largely rooted in the sad fact that the priesthood has for a very long time been a refuge of sorts for some deeply troubled, closeted homosexuals. The vast vast majority of the molestations are homosexual in nature. Allowing priests to marry eliminates that draw, not to mention makes the priesthood a more appealing vocation for more people.

Celibacy of the priesthood is one of the Catholic traditions I have the hardest time grappling with.

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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2018, 06:47:40 AM »
These horrible crimes are largely rooted in the sad fact that the priesthood has for a very long time been a refuge of sorts for some deeply troubled, closeted homosexuals. The vast vast majority of the molestations are homosexual in nature. Allowing priests to marry eliminates that draw, not to mention makes the priesthood a more appealing vocation for more people.

Low Catholic IQ here (and low pedo IQ), but is it not more of an access issue than a homosexual pedophilic preference? Is there a young girl equivalent to an altar boy in the Catholic Church that a priest would have similar access to?
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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2018, 07:35:23 AM »
Churches are allowed to have alter girls. Also, the latest Pennsylvania mess did involve girls. I don’t think allowing priests to marry would remove pedophiles from the priesthood but it would drastically increase the available pool of priests which would help.

Even though the stuff in Pennsylvania apparently involved some pretty terrible child abuse, by far the worst aspect was that it was coordinated among several clergy and systematically carried out & covered up. That depravity goes a lot deeper.

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« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2018, 09:50:05 AM »
If your church doesn’t have any altar girls.... :dubious:
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« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2018, 09:53:32 AM »
I think it's pretty clear that the laws we have against people who cover this sort of thing up and allow it to continue are either not strong enough or we just aren't doing a good enough job of prosecuting them.

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« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2018, 10:04:12 AM »
I'm not sure how anyone could continue to participate in and contribute money to an organization that is so seemingly non-caring about child abuse. This is a culture problem, just like Baylor and Penn state, every single person involved must be outted and punished.
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« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2018, 10:08:09 AM »
Yeah, there are other churches that don't have this problem institutionally embedded in them. Sending this church money makes you a small part of the problem.

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« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2018, 11:50:57 AM »
Sadly other churches are not immune from evil leaders, but I've explained above why the Catholic Church has a particular problem and how to best fix it. As for Catholics boycotting the Church, I'm sure some will. But I wouldn't judge too harshly the vast majority who choose to stay. Protestants and non-religious tend to view churches somewhat more interchangeably. To Catholics, the Catholic Church is the one true church. That's why Catholics don't call it the Catholic Church. They call it "the Church." They believe that the Church has direct lineage to Jesus Christ and Peter, whom they identify as the first pope. I do hope they'll attempt to reform the priesthood, but for all the talk of Pope Francis being a "reformer," he is not the pope you want for this job.

https://www.ncronline.org/news/opinion/signs-times/pope-francis-blind-spot-sexual-abuse
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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2018, 11:59:38 AM »
God should fix it.

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« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2018, 11:59:49 AM »
Sadly other churches are not immune from evil leaders, but I've explained above why the Catholic Church has a particular problem and how to best fix it. As for Catholics boycotting the Church, I'm sure some will. But I wouldn't judge too harshly the vast majority who choose to stay. Protestants and non-religious tend to view churches somewhat more interchangeably. To Catholics, the Catholic Church is the one true church. That's why Catholics don't call it the Catholic Church. They call it "the Church." They believe that the Church has direct lineage to Jesus Christ and Peter, whom they identify as the first pope. I do hope they'll attempt to reform the priesthood, but for all the talk of Pope Francis being a "reformer," he is not the pope you want for this job.

https://www.ncronline.org/news/opinion/signs-times/pope-francis-blind-spot-sexual-abuse

And interestingly enough, Peter was married...

And yeah, this thing is disgusting.

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« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2018, 12:22:17 PM »
I wonder if kdub would be excusing all of this if American imam's were raping kids right and left?
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« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2018, 12:25:15 PM »
Sadly other churches are not immune from evil leaders, but I've explained above why the Catholic Church has a particular problem and how to best fix it. As for Catholics boycotting the Church, I'm sure some will. But I wouldn't judge too harshly the vast majority who choose to stay. Protestants and non-religious tend to view churches somewhat more interchangeably. To Catholics, the Catholic Church is the one true church. That's why Catholics don't call it the Catholic Church. They call it "the Church." They believe that the Church has direct lineage to Jesus Christ and Peter, whom they identify as the first pope. I do hope they'll attempt to reform the priesthood, but for all the talk of Pope Francis being a "reformer," he is not the pope you want for this job.

https://www.ncronline.org/news/opinion/signs-times/pope-francis-blind-spot-sexual-abuse

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I don’t say “I went to the Methodist Church last Sunday”

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« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2018, 12:40:38 PM »
Everyone refers to church as church. But when referring to your church as a distinct entity, you probably call it the Methodist Church. For Catholics it’s just The Church. Kind of like The Ohio State University.
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