official thread to discuss money siphoned from the ku athletic department to

[catzacker]

they just look like jackasses and it's hilarious.

this.  i'm just waiting for more awesome stories about guys with guns in hotel rooms and being on the MARTA with hundreds of thousands of dollars.  

[CNS]

they just look like jackasses and it's hilarious.

this.  i'm just waiting for more awesome stories about guys with guns in hotel rooms and being on the MARTA with hundreds of thousands of dollars.  

I can't wait until a few stories about what it was all spent on come out.  Don't care about Pump, sure they spent it on coke and continuing their biz.  I want to see what Rodney, Roger, etc spent it on. 

Should be very entertaining. 

[Dugout DickStone]

I guess I'm not seeing how they can say "well it was just the actions of 6 people" and leave it at that.  If Delonte was paying Beasley, wouldn't the whole dept take a hit?  Or could we just blame him, fire Te and walk away clean?

[catzacker]

I guess I'm not seeing how they can say "well it was just the actions of 6 people" and leave it at that.  If Delonte was paying Beasley, wouldn't the whole dept take a hit?  Or could we just blame him, fire Te and walk away clean?

No one directly related/employeed by the men's basketball program (or any athletic program) has been implemented in anything.  And even so, I don't think any of this relates to the ncaa "rules".  I mean, if Kurtis Townsend was doing what Roger did, I'm not sure he violated any ncaa rules.   

My assumption is that the Feds will want to know where the money went so they can either establish or rule out further charges against individuals...and if they did that then potentially they might uncover players getting money from someone.    I highly doubt this happens.

[steve dave]

The Pumps weigh in on all the money they siphoned to KU players

http://gary-parrish.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6271764/22146836?tag=comBlogEntryListCnt;entry22146836

[sonofdaxjones]

Well I  for one am glad to see a fine and reputable organization like the Pump's have cleared this matter up.

IF the NCAA is actually paying any attention to this . . . the Rubicon will or will not be crossed based on what the IRS uncovers in the money trail.   That being said, anytime a booster is mentioned in this, and ku booster Roger Morningstar's name was all over the Yahoo story . . . the NCAA's radar should be pinging . . . with emphasis on should be, but given that it's the NCAA,  and now that the NCAA is purely reactive on the enforcement side, I wouldn't hold your breath.  

And YES . . . the entire athletic department COULD take a hit if Te Hill is caught handing out cash . . . that COULD easily fall under the umbrella of Institutional Control.  

[deputy dawg]

I'd be dumbfounded if federal investigators weren't rolling one or more of the suspects into spilling everything they know.  Having said that, unless the rolled suspect witnessed payoffs or saw money changing hands inapprorpriately, the evaluation of the use of the dirty money will go nowhere.  The first rule of a public corruption investigation is that you have to have an insider to get anywhere.  We'll see if the feds have found their insider. 

Translation:  Evidence of player payoffs is speculative, but certainly not out of the question.  Hey, it's ku--you know they stink and cheat, but you have to be able to prove it "beyond a reasonable doubt". 

[sonofdaxjones]

In a weird tangential way, we can thank the Bog Krause/Jon Wefald fiefdom for this.

Two years ago when the Board of Regents ordered the now infamous audit at K-State, this allegedly set off panic mode within the ku athletic department with Lew directing that their own audit underway be pulled and apparently cooking the books, significantly enough, that this brought the IRS into the fold.

From what I am learning......

So ah Wabash . . . if I am understanding you correctly, the K-State audit findings freaked out Lew and the gang, and they put the kibosh on an audit that was going on over there . . . and "sanitized" it for public viewing??

Also hearing inklings from WEF members that they've known for years the way the game was played at ku, and was ratcheted it up significantly once Lew was hired, and they aren't buying for one second that Lew Perkin's didn't know exactly what was going on with the tickets. 

[OregonSmock]

It puts the obsession on the skin.  It does what it's told.  




 

[sonofdaxjones]

Bentard . . . when the K-State audit findings came out, Tardville had it out 10 pages worth of posts in about 5 hours.

So, when do you think we'll see the FBI and IRS reports on the ku athletic department Bentard??

[sonofdaxjones]

Remember, when dealing with ku, this the kind of great folks they are, from the 2006 NCAA Committee on Infractions report regarding Kansas Athletics:

)regarding women's basketball and self imposed sanctions . . ."the committee finds these penalties to be wholly disproportionate to the de minimus secondary infractions committed by the women 's basketball coaching staff, it notes that by the time the matter came before the committee, the penalties had already been served , as they were administered during the 2005-06 season. (Self-imposed by the institution.) . . . . (translation, ku was caught trying to make it look like they were getting tough by pointing out what they did to women's basketball for secondary infractions)

On the other hand, substantial major violations were found to have occurred in the men's basketball program , yet the institution imposed no sanctions upon this program."

[OregonSmock]

KC Pump 'n Run currently has no affiliation with the Pump brothers.  But hey, keep up the good work, 'Pad. 

[sonofdaxjones]

When did I say a word about KC Pump'n Run Bentard??

But nice emphasis on "currently".

So any idea when the FBI and IRS reports on criminal activity and money laundering are going to be issued on the Kansas University Athletic Department??

[CNS]

KC Pump 'n Run currently has no affiliation with the Pump brothers.  But hey, keep up the good work, 'Pad. 

sounds like this whole thing is just one big misunderstanding, then.  thanks for clearing it up.

[sonofdaxjones]

Oh I see, this is Bentard's Jedi Mind Trick deflection of the issues regarding ku booster Roger Morningstar??

So, if there's no issues, why was ku booster Roger Morningstar's name all over Yahoo's article and why is ku booster Roger Morningstar all lawyered up and is "no commenting" everything??  Plus who cares if KC Pump'N Run is or is not CURRENTLY affiliated with the Pump Brothers.  

In a very recent AAU tourney in that area, ku booster Roger Morningstar was listed as one of the contacts.  We all know ku booster Roger Morningstar had his fingers all over AAU hoops over the last decade or more, and he's been implicated by Yahoo has one of the major players in the ku ticket scalping money laundering operation.

[The1BigWillie]

KC Pump 'n Run currently has no affiliation with the Pump brothers.  But hey, keep up the good work, 'Pad.  

Huh? Since WHEN??  

http://www.minnesotapumpnrun.com/about.html

Double Pump, Inc.

Double Pump, Inc. founded in 1994 is one of the leading organizations in conducting youth tournaments and camps. Double Pump, Inc. also operates a college scouting service and a professional placement service for college coaches and athletic directors.

Founders Dana and David Pump are widely viewed as two of the most powerful and influential people in youth and college basketball. The Pump brothers have been recognized on several occasions by “The Sporting News” as two of the “Top 100 Most Powerful in Sports”.

Some of the nations top youth basketball programs are affiliated with Double Pump, Inc., including: Pump N Run Elite (CA), Double Pump Power (CA), Tucson Pump N Run (AZ), Kansas City Pump N Run (MO), Utah Pump N Run (UT) and Puerto Rico Pump N Run and now Minnesota Pump N Run.

 

[Dugout DickStone]

Hey, Ben played a lot of big time AAU ball.  Don't correct him on big time AAU ball, k?

[OregonSmock]

KC Pump 'n Run currently has no affiliation with the Pump brothers.  But hey, keep up the good work, 'Pad.  

Huh? Since WHEN??  

http://www.minnesotapumpnrun.com/about.html

Double Pump, Inc.

Double Pump, Inc. founded in 1994 is one of the leading organizations in conducting youth tournaments and camps. Double Pump, Inc. also operates a college scouting service and a professional placement service for college coaches and athletic directors.

Founders Dana and David Pump are widely viewed as two of the most powerful and influential people in youth and college basketball. The Pump brothers have been recognized on several occasions by “The Sporting News” as two of the “Top 100 Most Powerful in Sports”.

Some of the nations top youth basketball programs are affiliated with Double Pump, Inc., including: Pump N Run Elite (CA), Double Pump Power (CA), Tucson Pump N Run (AZ), Kansas City Pump N Run (MO), Utah Pump N Run (UT) and Puerto Rico Pump N Run and now Minnesota Pump N Run.

 

Notice the word "currently."  The last donation from the Pump Brothers to KC Pump 'n Run was $3000 back in '04, according to Soren Petro at 810.

[EMAWzified]

Direct or laundried through that sleezeball Morningstar?

[The1BigWillie]

KC Pump 'n Run currently has no affiliation with the Pump brothers.  But hey, keep up the good work, 'Pad.  

Huh? Since WHEN??  

http://www.minnesotapumpnrun.com/about.html

Double Pump, Inc.

Double Pump, Inc. founded in 1994 is one of the leading organizations in conducting youth tournaments and camps. Double Pump, Inc. also operates a college scouting service and a professional placement service for college coaches and athletic directors.

Founders Dana and David Pump are widely viewed as two of the most powerful and influential people in youth and college basketball. The Pump brothers have been recognized on several occasions by “The Sporting News” as two of the “Top 100 Most Powerful in Sports”.

Some of the nations top youth basketball programs are affiliated with Double Pump, Inc., including: Pump N Run Elite (CA), Double Pump Power (CA), Tucson Pump N Run (AZ), Kansas City Pump N Run (MO), Utah Pump N Run (UT) and Puerto Rico Pump N Run and now Minnesota Pump N Run.

 

Notice the word "currently."  The last donation from the Pump Brothers to KC Pump 'n Run was $3000 back in '04, according to Soren Petro at 810.

This site was created in 2009.  Haven't looked up "current" but I'm old enough for 6 months ago to be "current."

Either way... your school is still as dirty as a Bankok whore.

[pike]

KC Pump 'n Run currently has no affiliation with the Pump brothers.  But hey, keep up the good work, 'Pad.  

Huh? Since WHEN??  

http://www.minnesotapumpnrun.com/about.html

Double Pump, Inc.

Double Pump, Inc. founded in 1994 is one of the leading organizations in conducting youth tournaments and camps. Double Pump, Inc. also operates a college scouting service and a professional placement service for college coaches and athletic directors.

Founders Dana and David Pump are widely viewed as two of the most powerful and influential people in youth and college basketball. The Pump brothers have been recognized on several occasions by “The Sporting News” as two of the “Top 100 Most Powerful in Sports”.

Some of the nations top youth basketball programs are affiliated with Double Pump, Inc., including: Pump N Run Elite (CA), Double Pump Power (CA), Tucson Pump N Run (AZ), Kansas City Pump N Run (MO), Utah Pump N Run (UT) and Puerto Rico Pump N Run and now Minnesota Pump N Run.

 

Notice the word "currently."  The last donation from the Pump Brothers to KC Pump 'n Run was $3000 back in '04, according to Soren Petro at 810.

This site was created in 2009.  Haven't looked up "current" but I'm old enough for 6 months ago to be "current."

Either way... your school is still as dirty as a Bankok whore.

Even Wakarusa left that crap hole because it sucked so bad

[wabash909]

Notice the word "currently."  The last donation from the Pump Brothers to KC Pump 'n Run was $3000 back in '04, according to Soren Petro at 810.

 

[sonofdaxjones]

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/may/29/ku-athletic-director-perkins-victim-alleged-blackm/?breaking

[wabash909]

A Lawrence police report has surfaced identifying Kansas University Athletics Director Lew Perkins as the victim of blackmail.

Lol.  A report has surfaced...........

Looks like Sweet Lew has decided to go with the time honored victim tactical diversion.

The man is truly a modern day master of media of manipulation.  A fracking puppeteer.

[KITNfury]

So I assumed Lew was blackmailed for over 1/2 a year with evidence of something he didn't do?  Seems like a long time to blackmail someone if you don't have something pretty good on them.