official thread to discuss money siphoned from the ku athletic department to

[monumentcat]

There's way more to the story . . . and the NCAA is likely not going to do anything.

Thank god for KU basketball to cure off-season boredom. 

I doubt if anything comes from this ticket probe. However, its quite possible that those implicated in the current probe could start singing about any other illegal activities in the KU basketball program, in an attempt to save their own skin. That's when it could get really interesting.

[deputy dawg]

There's way more to the story . . . and the NCAA is likely not going to do anything.

agree

It looks like a lot of the proceeds from the sales were cash, and cash in notoriously difficult to trace.  I have few doubts that this money found its way to players, AAU coaches, etc. for the benefit of the University of Kansas basketball program, but the difficulty of proving transactions, especially those conducted with cash, will be next to impossible.  It's not that the NCAA won't do anything, it's very likely they can't do anything.

[Dr Rick Daris]

http://www2.ljworld.com/photos/galleries/2010/may/26/ku-ticket-investigation/


love the prominent mentions of bauer brook court as well as the sinks and compton stuff. should get pretty good.

[steve dave]

http://www2.ljworld.com/photos/galleries/2010/may/26/ku-ticket-investigation/


love the prominent mentions of bauer brook court as well as the sinks and compton stuff. should get pretty good.

Wow

[Dugout DickStone]

So what does this all mean?  Worse case scenario for KU, what is the possibility for Sanctions on the B-Ball program?

That is worst case.  I think the worst case in Lew's mind is that they will be foreced to lift the veil on the points system at the Williams fund and certain donors who gave millions will realize they were sitting behind friends of Lew, judges, politicians or folks who simply scalped tix to line Morningstar's pockets who gave $1500 or something nominal.  Some donors are going to be seriously pissed.

[sonofdaxjones]

Freeman’s disclosures already had triggered the federal investigations that Cornwell expects to lead to federal charges including theft, money laundering and tax evasion. He owned land and started construction of a home that now is owned and occupied by KU Coach Bill Self.

[I_have_purplewood]

So what does this all mean?  Worse case scenario for KU, what is the possibility for Sanctions on the B-Ball program?

That is worst case.  I think the worst case in Lew's mind is that they will be foreced to lift the veil on the points system at the Williams fund and certain donors who gave millions will realize they were sitting behind friends of Lew, judges, politicians or folks who simply scalped tix to line Morningstar's pockets who gave $1500 or something nominal.  Some donors are going to be seriously pissed.

LSOC is right on the mark I think.  They didn't kill the golden goose by any means but they wounded it for the next year or two.

[mcmwcat]

So what does this all mean?  Worse case scenario for KU, what is the possibility for Sanctions on the B-Ball program?

That is worst case.  I think the worst case in Lew's mind is that they will be foreced to lift the veil on the points system at the Williams fund and certain donors who gave millions will realize they were sitting behind friends of Lew, judges, politicians or folks who simply scalped tix to line Morningstar's pockets who gave $1500 or something nominal.  Some donors are going to be seriously pissed.

i think worst case for ku athletics is that they fire Perkins over this.

[sonofdaxjones]

Dick Weiss ticket scandal at kansas. yahoo.com reports local real estate developer, former ku player roger morningstar, former head of williams foundation, pump brothers are involved.
Yesterday at 7:54pm · Comment ·LikeUnlike

Dick Weiss irs, fbi are investigating. ku internal invest has ended with six resignations

Yesterday at 7:55pmDick Weiss we'll have to see where this one goes

Yesterday at 7:57pmSammy Albano A players father also-how about some vacated wins. If this was a school John Calipari was coaching at, the haters would want the death penalty!

Yesterday at 8:09pmKen Davis Hoops, I watched the press conference on streaming video. What a sickening display. Based on an internal report, KU was the victim. That was the company word. Wow!

Yesterday at 8:31pmKen Davis Despite the CYA attitude today, I don't think there are any NCAA violations. However, the feds might be more than a little upset. Far from over.

Yesterday at 8:51pmDick Weiss i agree. but pumps, morningstsar, freeman u employees may take serious heat let's see how ncaa reacts against outside influences.
about an hour ago

[wiley]

The old guy from the board of regents looked/acted pretty pissed off last night on the news, or he hadn't drank any prune juice during the day.

[Dr Rick Daris]

The old guy from the board of regents looked/acted pretty pissed off last night on the news, or he hadn't drank any prune juice during the day.

board of regents not happy. not sure that the chancellor chick has much of a choice but to get rid of lew...

http://www.kansasregents.org/board_responds_to_ku_athletics_report

[wiley]

I've got 2 questions, and i'm not going to pretend i am reading through these reports.

1.) How pissed are the KBR going to be when an audit was done and came out all nice and shiny and this crap was taking place.
2.) Why am i seeing all this chatter that the case against Joe College has been dropped?

The 2 are unrelated right?

[steve dave]

2.) Why am i seeing all this chatter that the case against Joe College has been dropped?

 

[CNS]

I've got 2 questions, and i'm not going to pretend i am reading through these reports.

1.) How pissed are the KBR going to be when an audit was done and came out all nice and shiny and this crap was taking place.
2.) Why am i seeing all this chatter that the case against Joe College has been dropped?

The 2 are unrelated right?

The case was settled.  What I have heard is that Lew(KU's Ath Dept) is waiving Sink's settlement payment.  Settlement was roughly $800k.

So KU essentially won the case, but decided that no payment is necessary.

Gotta be some black mail in there somewhere.

[Dr Rick Daris]

I've got 2 questions, and i'm not going to pretend i am reading through these reports.

1.) How pissed are the KBR going to be when an audit was done and came out all nice and shiny and this crap was taking place.
2.) Why am i seeing all this chatter that the case against Joe College has been dropped?

The 2 are unrelated right?

The case was settled.  What I have heard is that Lew(KU's Ath Dept) is waiving Sink's settlement payment.  Settlement was roughly $800k.

So KU essentially won the case, but decided that no payment is necessary.

Gotta be some black mail in there somewhere.

the case cost ku around a million to try it. odd that they would not try to collect on the settlement.

[The42Yardstick]

I've got 2 questions, and i'm not going to pretend i am reading through these reports.

1.) How pissed are the KBR going to be when an audit was done and came out all nice and shiny and this crap was taking place.
2.) Why am i seeing all this chatter that the case against Joe College has been dropped?

The 2 are unrelated right?

The case was settled.  What I have heard is that Lew(KU's Ath Dept) is waiving Sink's settlement payment.  Settlement was roughly $800k.

So KU essentially won the case, but decided that no payment is necessary.

Gotta be some black mail in there somewhere.

the case cost ku around a million to try it. odd that they would not try to collect on the settlement.

Yeah, this makes absolutely no sense to me. Some people were saying that Sinks was basically bankrupt and that Lew might be taking mercy on him. I don't buy that for a second. Lew is way too much of a shark to do that.

[Dugout DickStone]

I've got 2 questions, and i'm not going to pretend i am reading through these reports.

1.) How pissed are the KBR going to be when an audit was done and came out all nice and shiny and this crap was taking place.
2.) Why am i seeing all this chatter that the case against Joe College has been dropped?

The 2 are unrelated right?

The case was settled.  What I have heard is that Lew(KU's Ath Dept) is waiving Sink's settlement payment.  Settlement was roughly $800k.

So KU essentially won the case, but decided that no payment is necessary.

Gotta be some black mail in there somewhere.

When the FBI and US Attorney's office is asking the questions, no "confidentality agreement" made in exchange for an agreement not to execute on a judgment is going to stop them.

If the FBI/IRS/US A's office don't talk to Sink they aren't done.

[deputy dawg]

The rich part of this scandal is that ku fans, during the Prince secret contract and related audit, crowed about LHC Bill Snyder committing tax fraud, and that other people associated with that debacle were facing criminal charges.  Those same fans are now playing down the scope of this HUGE scandal, and it looks like several ku employees and hangers-on will face criminal indictment.

[WillieWatanabe]

Well here is the bad news part

I know personally someone on the team’s dad (not going to name names) has boasted at his office that he has TONS of tickets for each home game and has been giving them out.

Now how many tickets does the family of each player get per game? It can’t be THAT many.

Now from this example and other things I have seen personally, I’m starting to wonder who got these tickets/who also reaped the benefits from it/how far this goes

[sonofdaxjones]

New Tardville "Logic"-Completely aghast that anyone would attempt to make any type of connection between ku booster Roger Morningstar/Pump Brothers and impropriety in recruitment . . . just utterly dumbfounded in Tardville that anyone could possibly think that.

[Dugout DickStone]

New Tardville "Logic"-Completely aghast that anyone would attempt to make any type of connection between ku booster Roger Morningstar/Pump Brothers and impropriety in recruitment . . . just utterly dumbfounded in Tardville that anyone could possibly think that.

Ask them behind closed doors and they will all admit this thing looks absolutely horrid.  Dude at Best Buy who installed the auto-start I bought for my new sled (ku grad) said what worries him is illicit tickets and/or cash to Morningstar from Jones (who is a ku/williams fund employee) during Brady's recruitment and playing days.  It is definitely against NCAA rules to bribe/payoff parents of recruits/players. 

[wabash909]

In a weird tangential way, we can thank the Bog Krause/Jon Wefald fiefdom for this.

Two years ago when the Board of Regents ordered the now infamous audit at K-State, this allegedly set off panic mode within the ku athletic department with Lew directing that their own audit underway be pulled and apparently cooking the books, significantly enough, that this brought the IRS into the fold.

From what I am learning......

[CNS]

980am had a round table discussion on this issue this morning for a few minutes.  The 610 jockey was part of it.  He said that firing lew would the be equivalent of the CEO of Entercom being fired because a few disc jockeys stole some paper clips and staplers. 

610 is really doing what they can to sway opinion.  Lew owns them.

[wabash909]

980am had a round table discussion on this issue this morning for a few minutes.  The 610 jockey was part of it.  He said that firing lew would the be equivalent of the CEO of Entercom being fired because a few disc jockeys stole some paper clips and staplers. 

610 is really doing what they can to sway opinion.  Lew owns them.

Yep.

Basically, the same deal.  20,000 tickets, not inlcuding the NCAA tournament, Final Four, Orange Bowl, being brokered privately through his athletic department by his employees, all of which work in the same office, in direct proximity, over a seven year period.  Attendance at private retreats with the Pump brothers, etc. etc.  Millions of dollars being diverted.  I mean, really, how could he have known this was going on?

[sonofdaxjones]

It's become more and more obvious everyday why Lew dissolved the former KU Athletics Inc. board of directors.