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[steve dave]

This is the latest black eye for a Kansas program that last year made news when members of the basketball and football teams got into fights with one another on campus.

[mcmwcat]

KenPom ran the statistics on this and determined KU is the trashiest program in the country

This is the latest black eye for a Kansas program that last year made news when members of the basketball and football teams got into fights with one another on campus.

KenPom or Zagoria ??? http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/05/27/kansas-rocked-by-ticket-scandal-payne-to-kentucky-jersey-to-drop-toc-harkless-to-south-kent/#more-34355

[steve dave]

KenPom ran the statistics on this and determined KU is the trashiest program in the country

This is the latest black eye for a Kansas program that last year made news when members of the basketball and football teams got into fights with one another on campus.

KenPom or Zagoria ??? http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/05/27/kansas-rocked-by-ticket-scandal-payne-to-kentucky-jersey-to-drop-toc-harkless-to-south-kent/#more-34355

damnit, my stats joke is out the window 

[pissclams]

So ku had a consultant on the payroll getting paid $115,000 a year (for 3 years) and Lew . . . just didn't know.   

By the hour it appears more and more like ku athletics was pretty much only a half notch below Wal-Mart in size and scope, where consultants getting paid 6 figures, and 3,500 tickets a year just fading off into oblivion in a money laundering and ticket scalping enterprise being run right out of the ku athletics offices would have flown right under the radar . . . who knew . . . who knew.   

i think it was $115k over 3 years

[Dugout DickStone]

Maybe this explains how notable ku booster and convicted felon David Wittig scored plum seats to watch his beloved Hawks in Allen Fieldhouse while awaiting his trip to the big house.

Could also explain why a Federal Court Judge, who makes approx $150k (give or take) has better seats than people who give $2 million plus a year.  Strange how that "points" system works.

I am starting to think, more and more, that Lew is the Smoke Monster.

[sonofdaxjones]

Yeah it was over 3 years . . . however, I am sure that showed up on an expense report somewhere, you can't convince me that ku athletics is such a massive operation that at some point a nearly $40K a year expense for consulting wouldn't have been questioned by the CEO.   It's consulting, not the facilities guy hiring a plumber to re-do a $hitter . . . most senior executives I know running business enterprises or divisions of business enterprises that do hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars worth of business.   Are going to ask at some point in time just who in the hell is this guy they're paying $40k a year for "consulting" . . . and just what the hell is that they are "consulting" about or for.  So either someone wasn't listing the expense as consulting, or Lew wasn't paying any attention.

Maybe I am missing something, but in my industry, you start tossing the word "Consultant" around and all the way to the top they're going to want to know who, what and why the moment they see it on any expense/payroll report.  

 

[chum1]

Pump brothers.  Sounds like something from a Quentin Tarantino movie or porn.

[Dr Rick Daris]

guys-

many of you are misreading this thread title and posting things unrelated to the current jayhawk basketball players fathers alleged secret deal w/ ku athletic employees and the tens of thousands of dollars that he made from the deal. where does brady end up next year? washburn? emporia state? my money is on baker.

OT: should the player be the one punished if a handler or family member accepts improper benefits in an attempt to steer someone to a university?

[sonofdaxjones]

guys-

many of you are misreading this thread title and posting things unrelated to the current jayhawk basketball players fathers alleged secret deal w/ ku athletic employees and the tens of thousands of dollars that he made from the deal. where does brady end up next year? washburn? emporia state? my money is on baker.

OT: should the player be the one punished if a handler or family member accepts improper benefits in an attempt to steer someone to a university?

Excellent point Daris, time to refocus on ku booster Roger Morningstar . . . and likely add in the Pump brothers and the co-mingling of the pump brothers, Roger Morningstar ku booster, Bill Self ku basketball coach, Lew Perkins ku athletic director, danny mannaing ku assistant and various other former, current players and DOBO's. 

[Dr Rick Daris]

guys-

many of you are misreading this thread title and posting things unrelated to the current jayhawk basketball players fathers alleged secret deal w/ ku athletic employees and the tens of thousands of dollars that he made from the deal. where does brady end up next year? washburn? emporia state? my money is on baker.

OT: should the player be the one punished if a handler or family member accepts improper benefits in an attempt to steer someone to a university?

Excellent point Daris, time to refocus on ku booster Roger Morningstar . . . and likely add in the Pump brothers and the co-mingling of the pump brothers, Roger Morningstar ku booster, Bill Self ku basketball coach, Lew Perkins ku athletic director, danny mannaing ku assistant and various other former, current players and DOBO's. 

another question is this...

if ku athletics was willing to do this for the father of a pretty good basketball player and two volleyball players, what were they willing to give the father of a superstar player like xavier henry or mario chalmers? 

[chum1]

Remember Danny Manning?  Sheesh.

[mcmwcat]

KenPom ran the statistics on this and determined KU is the trashiest program in the country

This is the latest black eye for a Kansas program that last year made news when members of the basketball and football teams got into fights with one another on campus.

KenPom or Zagoria ??? http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/05/27/kansas-rocked-by-ticket-scandal-payne-to-kentucky-jersey-to-drop-toc-harkless-to-south-kent/#more-34355

damnit, my stats joke is out the window 

[sonofdaxjones]

Who knows Daris . . . but I took a sampling of 3 random people out here and they're not talking about it, so apparently nobody cares, so I've concluded once again, outside of the Midwest, nobody really cares about ku basketball.

Had this happened at Duke, or Kentucky or UNC, it would be blowing up the airwaves on the WWL and WWL Radio as well as sportstalk nationwide.

[mcmwcat]

if ku athletics was willing to do this for the father of a pretty good basketball player and two volleyball players, what were they willing to give the father of a superstar player like xavier henry or mario chalmers? 

this isn't actually a hypothetical

[Dugout DickStone]

I wonder if BKD has done a breakdown of how much employees of ku paid Roger Morningstar when Brady Morningstar was a Jayhawk recruit versus how much ku employees paid Roger Morningstar when Brady was actually on the Jayhawks Men's basketball team?

[CNS]

Yeah it was over 3 years . . . however, I am sure that showed up on an expense report somewhere, you can't convince me that ku athletics is such a massive operation that at some point a nearly $40K a year expense for consulting wouldn't have been questioned by the CEO.   It's consulting, not the facilities guy hiring a plumber to re-do a $hitter . . . most senior executives I know running business enterprises or divisions of business enterprises that do hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars worth of business.   Are going to ask at some point in time just who in the hell is this guy they're paying $40k a year for "consulting" . . . and just what the hell is that they are "consulting" about or for.  So either someone wasn't listing the expense as consulting, or Lew wasn't paying any attention.

Maybe I am missing something, but in my industry, you start tossing the word "Consultant" around and all the way to the top they're going to want to know who, what and why the moment they see it on any expense/payroll report.  

 

As far as Lew goes, this is a very valid point. 

In my experience, everyone has an approval limit that they can sign a contract for.  $40k is never below such a limit that someone's boss doesn't have to review and sign off on it.

Lew knew.

[sonofdaxjones]

Yeah it was over 3 years . . . however, I am sure that showed up on an expense report somewhere, you can't convince me that ku athletics is such a massive operation that at some point a nearly $40K a year expense for consulting wouldn't have been questioned by the CEO.   It's consulting, not the facilities guy hiring a plumber to re-do a $hitter . . . most senior executives I know running business enterprises or divisions of business enterprises that do hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars worth of business.   Are going to ask at some point in time just who in the hell is this guy they're paying $40k a year for "consulting" . . . and just what the hell is that they are "consulting" about or for.  So either someone wasn't listing the expense as consulting, or Lew wasn't paying any attention.

Maybe I am missing something, but in my industry, you start tossing the word "Consultant" around and all the way to the top they're going to want to know who, what and why the moment they see it on any expense/payroll report.  

 

As far as Lew goes, this is a very valid point.  

In my experience, everyone has an approval limit that they can sign a contract for.  $40k is never below such a limit that someone's boss doesn't have to review and sign off on it.

Lew knew.

Yeah, and I am not saying that Lew has to sit there and micromanage the group that's hired a consultant.   But any Senior Manager worth a damn is going to ask at some point who, what and why when it comes to any consultant being brought in.   That's why I am laughing at Tardville and their little anecdotes about how in their business they can hire consultants anytime they want.    That may be so, but more times than not the senior mangement 1. Knows that a consultant(s) have been hired.  2.  Knows the what fors and why the consultant was hired.   Plus if any business is hiring to many consultants, any senior manager worth a crap is going to start asking why people can't seem to do their job without a freaking consultant.  

[ZappaCat]

Holy sh*t... this Wetzel guy is completely shaming Kietzman right now. 
 

I listened to the entire podcast.....at what point was Wetzel shaming Kietzman?   

He appeared to indicate that this could happen at lots of places, but Kietzman was agreeing with him.

[sonofdaxjones]

Holy sh*t... this Wetzel guy is completely shaming Kietzman right now. 
 

I listened to the entire podcast.....at what point was Wetzel shaming Kietzman?   

He appeared to indicate that this could happen at lots of places, but Kietzman was agreeing with him.

Don't worry about it . . . Tardville has such an amazing stiffy for Keitzman, all the blood has left their brains. 

[KSUfaninLA]

So what does this all mean?  Worse case scenario for KU, what is the possibility for Sanctions on the B-Ball program?

[michigancat]

So what does this all mean?  Worse case scenario for KU, what is the possibility for Sanctions on the B-Ball program?

0.01%

they just look like jackasses and it's hilarious.

[KSUfaninLA]

 This thing is a lot deeper than the media is letting on right now.  Too many people involved for this to have no implications on sanctions against them.

[michigancat]

This thing is a lot deeper than the media is letting on right now.  Too many people involved for this to have no implications on sanctions against them.

I guess I should have said there will be no significant sanctions.  Slap on the wrist, maybe a scholarship reduction.  They won't miss a beat.

[sonofdaxjones]

There's way more to the story . . . and the NCAA is likely not going to do anything.

[Dr Rick Daris]

There's way more to the story . . . and the NCAA is likely not going to do anything.

agree