official thread to discuss money siphoned from the ku athletic department to

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Holy sh*t... this Wetzel guy is completely shaming Kietzman right now. 
 

I'm not listening, but it's probably more a case of KU fans really wanting him to be shamed so they all agree that Wetzel shamed him but really he didn't shame him.

[CNS]

Holy sh*t... this Wetzel guy is completely shaming Kietzman right now. 
 

Changes nothing.  KU AD still dirty.

[sonofdaxjones]

Anything involving Jason King and ku is going to have to be questioned.   The same article sad crooked developer laid it all out to one of the writers 4 F'ing years ago and they just sat on it . . . dollars to donuts says it was King.

What a pussy, and McCullough is even a bigger pussy.

[OregonSmock]

Anything involving Jason King and ku is going to have to be questioned.   The same article sad crooked developer laid it all out to one of the writers 4 F'ing years ago and they just sat on it . . . dollars to donuts says it was King.

What a pussy, and McCullough is even a bigger pussy.

 

[sonofdaxjones]

Ben it's your athletic program that still has the IRS and FBI still investigating and at least 2 people who were prevented from speaking to ku's "independent" auditors . . . it's just a shame nobody in the kc media will ball up and really investigate this . . . plus speaking of    shouldn't you be back in Tardville  about Keitzman right now??

Any thoughts on ku booster/former player Roger Morningstar's extensive involvement in this money laundering operation??

[CNS]

Still want to know where the money is.

Did the report address this?  Anyone with a mortgage/property they shouldn't be able to afford?  If not, where did it go?

[OregonSmock]

Still want to know where the money is.

Did the report address this?  Anyone with a mortgage/property they shouldn't be able to afford?  If not, where did it go?

The logical explanation, of course, is that the guys who were making hundreds of thousands of dollars on this scandal were just giving all of the money away. 

[CNS]

Still want to know where the money is.

Did the report address this?  Anyone with a mortgage/property they shouldn't be able to afford?  If not, where did it go?

The logical explanation, of course, is that the guys who were making hundreds of thousands of dollars on this scandal were just giving all of the money away. 

If they were not simply handing it out, they should be able to point to an asset, gambling debt, coke habit, etc that they blew all the money on. 

Where is it?

[sonofdaxjones]

No jedi mind tricks today Ben.

Again, any real thoughts on ku booster and former ku player Roger Morningstars extensive involvement with this money laundering operation and likely the Pump Brothers??

[OregonSmock]

Still want to know where the money is.

Did the report address this?  Anyone with a mortgage/property they shouldn't be able to afford?  If not, where did it go?

The logical explanation, of course, is that the guys who were making hundreds of thousands of dollars on this scandal were just giving all of the money away. 

If they were not simply handing it out, they should be able to point to an asset, gambling debt, coke habit, etc that they blew all the money on. 

Where is it?

It's not like these guys were poor to begin with.  Don't let logic get in the way of your big bad KU conspiracy theories, though. 

[pissclams]

And by the way, as I pointed out earlier — if he by some remote chance he didn't know, that in and of itself is a fireable offense to not be aware of your own senior staff's dealings and the loss of millions of dollars (on top of his prior unawareness of academic fraud and lack of institutional control). For a man lauded for his abilities, he sure seems to "not know" alot of stuff.

this is the issue that Lew Perkins cannot get around.  He gets paid to know what's going on in his athletic dept.  He knows what's going on in his athletic dept by putting controls in place that he can review to ensure that things like this don't happen.  He's negligent.  Either he knew what was going on and for his own reasons let it occur, or he didn't know what was going on and never put in place the controls necessary to prevent these things from happening.  Either way- he's negligent.  The university employs internal and external auditors, where the eff were they?  They're negligent too.   Ignorance is not a defense.

[CNS]

Still want to know where the money is.

Did the report address this?  Anyone with a mortgage/property they shouldn't be able to afford?  If not, where did it go?

The logical explanation, of course, is that the guys who were making hundreds of thousands of dollars on this scandal were just giving all of the money away. 

If they were not simply handing it out, they should be able to point to an asset, gambling debt, coke habit, etc that they blew all the money on. 

Where is it?

It's not like these guys were poor to begin with.  Don't let logic get in the way of your big bad KU conspiracy theories, though. 

I don't care if they were making Bill Self money, money leaves trails unless you take pains to make sure it doesn't.

Where did it go?

BTW, some of the assist AD's were making around $100k.  $100k isn't enough of a salary to hide $800k illegal compensation.

Where did it go?

[OregonSmock]

And by the way, as I pointed out earlier — if he by some remote chance he didn't know, that in and of itself is a fireable offense to not be aware of your own senior staff's dealings and the loss of millions of dollars (on top of his prior unawareness of academic fraud and lack of institutional control). For a man lauded for his abilities, he sure seems to "not know" alot of stuff.

this is the issue that Lew Perkins cannot get around.  He gets paid to know what's going on in his athletic dept.  He knows what's going on in his athletic dept by putting controls in place that he can review to ensure that things like this don't happen.  He's negligent.  Either he knew what was going on and for his own reasons let it occur, or he didn't know what was going on and never put in place the controls necessary to prevent these things from happening.  Either way- he's negligent.  The university employs internal and external auditors, where the shazbot! were they?  They're negligent too.   Ignorance is not a defense.

For the record, I agree with this.  Perkins should be fired for the simple fact that this happened under his watch.  Honestly, Perkins has done some great things for KU, specifically when it comes to increasing the athletic budget, but I've got no problem with moving on to a different athletic director.  

[OregonSmock]

Still want to know where the money is.

Did the report address this?  Anyone with a mortgage/property they shouldn't be able to afford?  If not, where did it go?

The logical explanation, of course, is that the guys who were making hundreds of thousands of dollars on this scandal were just giving all of the money away. 

If they were not simply handing it out, they should be able to point to an asset, gambling debt, coke habit, etc that they blew all the money on. 

Where is it?

It's not like these guys were poor to begin with.  Don't let logic get in the way of your big bad KU conspiracy theories, though. 

I don't care if they were making Bill Self money, money leaves trails unless you take pains to make sure it doesn't.

Where did it go?

BTW, some of the assist AD's were making around $100k.  $100k isn't enough of a salary to hide $800k illegal compensation.

Where did it go?

It's like a broken record. 

[sonofdaxjones]

Still want to know where the money is.

Did the report address this?  Anyone with a mortgage/property they shouldn't be able to afford?  If not, where did it go?

The logical explanation, of course, is that the guys who were making hundreds of thousands of dollars on this scandal were just giving all of the money away. 

If they were not simply handing it out, they should be able to point to an asset, gambling debt, coke habit, etc that they blew all the money on. 

Where is it?

It's not like these guys were poor to begin with.  Don't let logic get in the way of your big bad KU conspiracy theories, though. 

So if they weren't poor . . . and since we can assume they weren't poor because they earned most of their money through legit business operations.   Why engage in something that if caught would likely land them in prison??    I guess we can just say they had money, but were really stupid huh??

[OregonSmock]

Still want to know where the money is.

Did the report address this?  Anyone with a mortgage/property they shouldn't be able to afford?  If not, where did it go?

The logical explanation, of course, is that the guys who were making hundreds of thousands of dollars on this scandal were just giving all of the money away. 

If they were not simply handing it out, they should be able to point to an asset, gambling debt, coke habit, etc that they blew all the money on. 

Where is it?

It's not like these guys were poor to begin with.  Don't let logic get in the way of your big bad KU conspiracy theories, though. 

So if they weren't poor . . . and since we can assume they weren't poor because they earned most of their money through legit business operations.   Why engage in something that if caught would likely land them in prison??    I guess we can just say they had money, but were really stupid huh??

Well, yeah.  Apparently Jones was doing the same crap when he worked for OU.

[pissclams]

And by the way, as I pointed out earlier — if he by some remote chance he didn't know, that in and of itself is a fireable offense to not be aware of your own senior staff's dealings and the loss of millions of dollars (on top of his prior unawareness of academic fraud and lack of institutional control). For a man lauded for his abilities, he sure seems to "not know" alot of stuff.

this is the issue that Lew Perkins cannot get around.  He gets paid to know what's going on in his athletic dept.  He knows what's going on in his athletic dept by putting controls in place that he can review to ensure that things like this don't happen.  He's negligent.  Either he knew what was going on and for his own reasons let it occur, or he didn't know what was going on and never put in place the controls necessary to prevent these things from happening.  Either way- he's negligent.  The university employs internal and external auditors, where the shazbot! were they?  They're negligent too.   Ignorance is not a defense.

For the record, I agree with this.  Perkins should be fired for the simple fact that this happened under his watch.  Honestly, Perkins has done some great things for KU, specifically when it comes to increasing the athletic budget, but I've got no problem with moving on to a different athletic director.  

i seriously doubt they fire him as long as he didn't put the university's athletic program's in harms way, which it doesn't sound like he did.  i wouldn't fire him unless he did.  he's still +several hundred milion dollars on the University's balance sheet and the reality is that's what's most important.

[sonofdaxjones]

Ben could you point us to actual legit sources on the "apparently" Jones was doing the same $hit at OU.

[OregonSmock]

Ben could you point us to actual legit sources on the "apparently" Jones was doing the same $hit at OU.

Let me get this straight...  the guy who has been speculating all day long about "funneling money" to recruits wants concrete sources now?  You honestly can't make this kind of stuff up, folks.

[sonofdaxjones]

Okay then, since apparently it was such common knowledge that Jones was "doing the same $hit" at OU . . . why did ku hire him??

[BMWWcat]

Okay then, since apparently it was such common knowledge that Jones was "doing the same $hit" at OU . . . why did ku hire him??

THIS...

[Sugar Dick]

No jedi mind tricks today Ben.

Again, any real thoughts on ku booster and former ku player Roger Morningstars extensive involvement with this money laundering operation and likely the Pump Brothers??

Sounds like some awesome 70's porno, where two bros go around and pump babes

[OregonSmock]

Okay then, since apparently it was such common knowledge that Jones was "doing the same $hit" at OU . . . why did ku hire him??

It wasn't common knowledge.  The story has only recently come out to the public.  

[mcmwcat]

I love the theory that Lew "they don't call him Dollar Bill for nothin" Perkins allowed $3 million in tickets to just slip through the cracks. 

Love it.

$3 million was face value on the tickets.  wasn't it illegal to resell some of these tickets even at face value?   so to make money on these types of tickets what do you do?  you give them to your good buddy who will make a killing on them.  good buddy in return donates a percentage of the proceeds to athletic department.  not only does good buddy get cash in his pocket he gets a tax write off for making a charitable donation

brilliant.  Lew, if idiots in Lawrence run you out of town you are always welcome in Manhattan.

[sonofdaxjones]

Any thoughts on why a bunch of guys who supposedly already had money made through semi-legit means would want to be involved in a ticket scalping operation that for all purposes really only netted at least one individual . . . ku booster Roger Morningstar a couple of hundred thousand dollars over a 5 year period, if that much even.    Why risk prison and jail if you've supposedly already have money over relative chump change like that??

Or maybe because ku booster Roger Morningstar was highly engaged in a corrupt AAU basketball operation who were involved with numerous ku recruits and the ticket scalping was a seemingly untrackable (hell Tardville says they outsmarted business genius Lew Perkins and those ku auditors right . . . hell they even outsmarted the post Hemmenway era auditors) cash only enterprise, and the only reason why we are talkingn about that cash only enterprise today is because somebody dropped a dime on it . . . otherwise it will still be perculating right along today.  Generating thousands of dollars in cash and putting nice chunks of that cash in the hands of ku booster and AAU coach/organizer Roger Morningstar.