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Is that supposed to be bad?
Hyperbolic partisan duplicitous hypocrite

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Is that supposed to be bad?

Cornyn definitely thinks so. 

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Fantastic shell game that ProgFascists of all ranks are allowing iPOTUS Biden to run.

ProgFascists:  Enabling the worst people in the world (as usual)



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Dax are you equally appalled at us treating immigrants humanely regardless of whether they are legal or illegal?

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Dax are you equally appalled at us treating immigrants humanely regardless of whether they are legal or illegal?
They are not being treated humanely as the pictures are starting to show.  You’re also allowing the worst of the worst to use these people to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars in profit.

Not the least bit surprising you don’t get this.

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It's possible that he's correct, but more likely that he's completely fabricated the story.

It was debunked by the state department when Trump said it 2 years ago. Conservative legislators know they can just absolutely lie and there will be no repercussions because their constituency, for the most part, care more about culture wars and fear of the other, than the actual truth.

Those of us not interested in racism and are familiar with the northern border have rightly been much more alert to this happening at the northern border, where for most of that border you can just walk in without any fear of resistance at all.

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The libertarian CATO Institute said that from 1975 through 2017, seven people who entered the U.S. illegally from “special interest” countries — states tied at least loosely to terrorism — were convicted of planning attacks on U.S. soil. None crossed from Mexico. They came from Canada or jumped ship in U.S. ports, and all before special interest countries were classified as such. The plots were foiled and no one was hurt.

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The only known terrorists who crossed illegally from Mexico in those decades were three ethnic Albanians from Macedonia who came as children with their parents in 1984 and, in their 20s, were arrested in the foiled plot to attack the Fort Dix, New Jersey, Army base in 2007, the CATO study found. They were not from a special-interest country.
FWIW:

https://www.axios.com/four-people-matching-terror-watchlist-arrested-at-border-86b44533-4aae-4b73-b509-0501c90c370a.html


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Everyone who attempts to cross the border illegally is caught DQ, everybody knows that.

No way any potential terrorist slipped into the country.   

Also trust the Mexican government, only multiple top police and military leaders have been charged with collaborating with the Cartels.

Oh, and the Cartels now use Chinese money brokers to launder their money.   No vested interested on the part of  Chinese intelligence to create a border crisis situation in the United States. 



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It's possible that he's correct, but more likely that he's completely fabricated the story.

It was debunked by the state department when Trump said it 2 years ago. Conservative legislators know they can just absolutely lie and there will be no repercussions because their constituency, for the most part, care more about culture wars and fear of the other, than the actual truth.

Those of us not interested in racism and are familiar with the northern border have rightly been much more alert to this happening at the northern border, where for most of that border you can just walk in without any fear of resistance at all.

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The libertarian CATO Institute said that from 1975 through 2017, seven people who entered the U.S. illegally from “special interest” countries — states tied at least loosely to terrorism — were convicted of planning attacks on U.S. soil. None crossed from Mexico. They came from Canada or jumped ship in U.S. ports, and all before special interest countries were classified as such. The plots were foiled and no one was hurt.

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The only known terrorists who crossed illegally from Mexico in those decades were three ethnic Albanians from Macedonia who came as children with their parents in 1984 and, in their 20s, were arrested in the foiled plot to attack the Fort Dix, New Jersey, Army base in 2007, the CATO study found. They were not from a special-interest country.
FWIW:

https://www.axios.com/four-people-matching-terror-watchlist-arrested-at-border-86b44533-4aae-4b73-b509-0501c90c370a.html

that doesn't contradict the info MiR posted (if that was your intent)

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Curious on your take, my understanding is recent rise in illegal immigration is mostly driven by cartels/coyotes advertising it harder due to the change in presidency. There's no real headway on making people want to stay in their respective countries (that's like an extremely hard to do nation building exercise) rather than immigrate. For whatever reason we stopped the asylum seeking while staying in a neighboring country or some specific bilateral agreements on it, which I don't know if that ever really helped. I haven't been tracking too much on just letting more people immigrate which I'd assume is the only other real lever on this.

i don't think the rise is due to advertising or even just normal communication around the regime change.  my understanding (and i admit it is not comprehensive) is that the number apprehended attempting unauthorized entry has been rising since the previous admin started title 42 expulsions, basically closing the border and thus forcing anyone who might otherwise petition or asylum at a port of entry to attempt unauthorized entry and then petition for asylum.

the number of unauthorized entrants that are unaccompanied minors has risen since biden stopped expulsing unaccompanied minors, but it's a considerably smaller number than the overall increase.

biden made a show of ending trump's remain in mexico program, but he kept title 42 in place, which de facto accomplishes the same policy.  i saw a clip with a refugee in ciudad juarez today who mentioned that he and his family were given an asylum appointment for mid august.  in the meantime, they have no option other than to wait in mexico, attempting to survive there for the next five months.  it is no wonder to me that people not given any realistic alternative either choose to cross illegally or send their children alone instead.



i also think that it is unacceptable that two months after taking office, they are still unable to humanely process and accommodate a few thousand unaccompanied minors.
"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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A few thousand  :lol:  @sys continues to lie and lie and lie


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It's possible that he's correct, but more likely that he's completely fabricated the story.

It was debunked by the state department when Trump said it 2 years ago. Conservative legislators know they can just absolutely lie and there will be no repercussions because their constituency, for the most part, care more about culture wars and fear of the other, than the actual truth.

Those of us not interested in racism and are familiar with the northern border have rightly been much more alert to this happening at the northern border, where for most of that border you can just walk in without any fear of resistance at all.

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The libertarian CATO Institute said that from 1975 through 2017, seven people who entered the U.S. illegally from “special interest” countries — states tied at least loosely to terrorism — were convicted of planning attacks on U.S. soil. None crossed from Mexico. They came from Canada or jumped ship in U.S. ports, and all before special interest countries were classified as such. The plots were foiled and no one was hurt.

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The only known terrorists who crossed illegally from Mexico in those decades were three ethnic Albanians from Macedonia who came as children with their parents in 1984 and, in their 20s, were arrested in the foiled plot to attack the Fort Dix, New Jersey, Army base in 2007, the CATO study found. They were not from a special-interest country.
FWIW:

https://www.axios.com/four-people-matching-terror-watchlist-arrested-at-border-86b44533-4aae-4b73-b509-0501c90c370a.html

that doesn't contradict the info MiR posted (if that was your intent)
Not my intention.  Just seemed pertinent to the discussion and hadnt seen it referenced yet


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Cool, four people that got caught. Republicans can now feel much better about the lie they have been telling for years. Maybe we can wage a war on terrorism in Mexico.

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Rank and file citizens of Mexico, particularly the Northern Half are terrorized by the Cartels every single day.

But let's continue to enable them as they make tens of millions of dollars a day trafficking humans and drugs.




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two important points here.  1) most individuals apprehended attempting an unauthorized entry are asylum seekers prevented from presenting their petition at a port of entry, and 2) many attempt repeated unauthorized entry because under title 42 expulsion there is neither an alternative nor a penalty for doing so.

https://twitter.com/BetoORourke/status/1374332079798910976
"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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#lol

Betoclown

The cartels thrive on breaking up families and attempting to attach cartel members to the splinters and then sending them across.

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Of course our Mexican cartel expert is a shitposting white supremacist. When I want to know the motives of foreign drug cartels, I always go with a cracker living in Alabama.

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"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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At least there is some hope that he might step down and Kamala is better.

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She's taking over immigration anyway
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thread.

https://twitter.com/David_J_Bier/status/1374835196512591872

I reject this premise entirely. He works for the CATO Institute so I have to believe he's making the conscious choice to ignore the fact that Biden is dealing with this surge while having to simultaneously reconstruct the legal immigration systems that trump completely ran aground, like asylum application processing. He said Trump was "bad at this too," but that's not telling the story. It's not that trump was bad at it, they essentially just stopped doing them. Of course there are many other points he just doesn't address. He undercut his own thread with the last tweet.

https://twitter.com/David_J_Bier/status/1374838962913738759

His first tweet says Biden is handling the border situation "much worse...than Trump" then finishes the thread by saying that if trump was still in office he would be worse for immigrants. Also his claim that Biden isn't giving more immigrants more rights is ridiculous. There will be a path to citizenship with Biden, there was no chance of that with trump. Biden also isn't having ICE take over local police departments to entrap immigrants who are just trying to live their lives.

Dude should have just said Biden has more accompanied minors locked up than trump did and he needs to come up with a plan to fix it, right now. The rest of his thread was just hoe babble.

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#lol

Mexico’s president calling out Biden and completely understands that Biden’s mumped up contrarian signals only pumps millions of additional dollars a day into the pockets of the cartels. 

Also glad to see that ProgFascists willingly fall in line to support this administration’s open and blatant press censorship.

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"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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Recalling the halcyon days when ProgLibs (now ProgFacists) fully supported this point of view from their thought leaders (prior to transformation into #blueanon thought leaders).


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it is almost as if the whole "party of open borders" thing was made up...