Amaad Wainright arrested by us marshals

[catastrophe]

Order of culpability:
1. Shooter - for shooting
2. Wainwright- for fleeing the scene after being pulled over and possibly contributing in the first place
3. Police - for taking a long ass time to charge the guy with what seems (especially now) to have been pretty obvious connections
4. oscar - for not cracking the case mid-season after the police investigation stalled

[Rage Against the McKee]

To me, pretty much every judgement about this entirely hinges on whether or not Wainright knew his buddy would shoot at the car when he pulled alongside it. I'm not comfortable with assuming either of those.

To me, he became a getaway driver immediately after the shots were fired, making him complicit.

I think it’s debatable whether immediately stopping the car in that scenario shows good or bad judgment considering the dude with a loaded gun right next to you was already pissed enough to shoot at a stranger.

Yeah, drive the guy wherever he wants to go and then turn him in to the cops. When you fail to turn him in, you are part of the crime.

[chum1]

I'm never telling a black person that they should call the police.

[catastrophe]

Yeah, drive the guy wherever he wants to go and then turn him in to the cops. When you fail to turn him in, you are part of the crime.

I agree that would be the best course of action, but it’s not hard to imagine how he justified himself keeping quiet:
1. Hey, we might get away with it
2. It was only property damage
3. If he gets arrested, they’re gonna ask me to testify against him
4. He’s not gonna go to jail for life and he’ll definitely want to beat my ass when it’s over
5. Even if I turn myself in, I could easily get kicked off the team

So I agree with one of the above posters. If he was on board before the incident he deserves to be charged as an accomplice. If not, I’d probably just stick to the fleeing the scene/obstruction charge and leave it at that. Would not be surprised if he just pleaded guilty to that (maybe he has already?).

[BIG APPLE CAT]

Order of culpability:
1. Shooter - for shooting
2. Wainwright- for fleeing the scene after being pulled over and possibly contributing in the first place
3. Police - for taking a long ass time to charge the guy with what seems (especially now) to have been pretty obvious connections
4. oscar - for not cracking the case mid-season after the police investigation stalled

That's great and all but according to the law the getaway driver gets charged with the exact same crime as the person they are driving who committed the crime, so

[sys]

there is absolutely no way that wainright got out of the lane he was in and pulled up next to the car that had hit the brakes in front of him without having an idea that his passenger was preparing to do something untoward.  it's simply not realistic.

maybe he thought the dude was just going to brandish the gun, or something short of actually firing into the vehicle.  but the idea that he was just peacefully continuing on with his commute, presumably not even realizing he had pulled up alongside the car that had enraged his passenger (when is a passenger road enraged while the driver is not?) and suddenly his passenger whipped out a gun is preposterous.

[chum1]

Maybe Wainright just wanted to stare them down. Or give them the finger eye to eye. Or some other chest puffing type of activity to demonstrate exactly how mad he was. People aggressively confront each other all the time without guns getting fired.

[sys]

Maybe Wainright just wanted to stare them down. Or give them the finger eye to eye. Or some other chest puffing type of activity to demonstrate exactly how mad he was.

that sounds like something that cannot be completely dismissed as out of the realm of possibility, in theory.

[MakeItRain]

To leading an outrage parade against someone who chose to run from the cops. Very impressive growth

he helped another man shoot a gun into an occupied vehicle, mir.

You're making a leap that the authorities, armed with more information than us, didn't make.

[MakeItRain]

oscar should be fired for cause here, honestly. Probably Gene, too.

Did I miss a further explanation of this? It's patently ridiculous.

[MakeItRain]

To me, pretty much every judgement about this entirely hinges on whether or not Wainright knew his buddy would shoot at the car when he pulled alongside it. I'm not comfortable with assuming either of those.

To me, he became a getaway driver immediately after the shots were fired, making him complicit.

lol what would you do if you were driving the car?

I would have driven to wherever we were going and then called the cops immediately after it was safe to do so.

I'm 42 years old with clear judgment and no record and I absolutely would not have done that. I'm sorry but there is no way he has any reason to trust the criminal justice system to do what's just. Your and sys's reactions to this is enough to know that if he didn't know that dude was going to shoot up no one was going to believe him anyway. His best bet was to just drive off. His mistake was foolishly going to Oak Park Mall, here's where me being twice his age comes into play. I would have immediately driven my black ass back to Manhattan. Everyone in the car would have been dropped off at a bus stop in KCK. If he doesn't go to the mall and keeps that car in MHK until the school year is over, he likely never gets caught.

[ChiComCat]

I'm 42 years old with clear judgment and no record and I absolutely would not have done that. I'm sorry but there is no way he has any reason to trust the criminal justice system to do what's just. Your and sys's reactions to this is enough to know that if he didn't know that dude was going to shoot up no one was going to believe him anyway. His best bet was to just drive off. His mistake was foolishly going to Oak Park Mall, here's where me being twice his age comes into play. I would have immediately driven my black ass back to Manhattan. Everyone in the car would have been dropped off at a bus stop in KCK. If he doesn't go to the mall and keeps that car in MHK until the school year is over, he likely never gets caught.

That maybe a way not to get caught, sure, but I don't think that's the point.  He was the driver when somebody shot at another car and eluded police at 100 mph.  That's a crime and should be treated as such by both the police and K-State.  There are reasons why he might not feel safe around police, but the alternative can't be just to get away with crimes.

[420seriouscat69]

Sounds like according to MIR, Wainright's only real crime was being black. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

To me, pretty much every judgement about this entirely hinges on whether or not Wainright knew his buddy would shoot at the car when he pulled alongside it. I'm not comfortable with assuming either of those.

To me, he became a getaway driver immediately after the shots were fired, making him complicit.

lol what would you do if you were driving the car?

I would have driven to wherever we were going and then called the cops immediately after it was safe to do so.

I'm 42 years old with clear judgment and no record and I absolutely would not have done that. I'm sorry but there is no way he has any reason to trust the criminal justice system to do what's just. Your and sys's reactions to this is enough to know that if he didn't know that dude was going to shoot up no one was going to believe him anyway. His best bet was to just drive off. His mistake was foolishly going to Oak Park Mall, here's where me being twice his age comes into play. I would have immediately driven my black ass back to Manhattan. Everyone in the car would have been dropped off at a bus stop in KCK. If he doesn't go to the mall and keeps that car in MHK until the school year is over, he likely never gets caught.

For all you would know, there could be a dead toddler in the car your friend just shot into. Are you really not going to turn him in?

[420seriouscat69]

White ppl made that person shoot that gun, rage. Idiot. Not his problem. Don't let the man get you down.

[catastrophe]

They’re lucky the car didn’t blow up in a big fireball like when you shoot them in video games.

[wetwillie]

Would be interested to hear from our resident lawyers and spracne if they think he will do time.

[catastrophe]

(Not gE-ing) If he were white, I think the odds are zero.  I still think the odds are low given how little damage was actually caused.

[420seriouscat69]

The fact we're discussing race at all in this matter is rediculous.

[catastrophe]

We're talking about how people interact with police officers and how they are treated in the justice system.  I don't know what to tell you if you think race does not play a factor in either of those.

[420seriouscat69]

It has nothing to do with him breaking the law. Stop acting like he's the victim. Take it to the pit.

[sys]

You're making a leap that the authorities, armed with more information than us, didn't make.

correct.  i am not a court of law, nor is the kstate men's bball program.

[catastrophe]

It has nothing to do with him breaking the law. Stop acting like he's the victim. Take it to the pit.

I have not seen a single person ITT saying he should not be punished.

[ChiComCat]

It has nothing to do with him breaking the law. Stop acting like he's the victim. Take it to the pit.

It could have a lot to do with him fleeing police

[420seriouscat69]