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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #6775 on: March 12, 2020, 03:18:47 PM »
I'm sure it's very frustrating that not enough voters agree with what you think needs to happen. This is the case for most of my views as well.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #6776 on: March 12, 2020, 03:27:51 PM »
The Republican Party has consciously moved hard right twice in our lifetime. The Contract With America was a response to the Clinton election. The Tea Party was a response to the Obama election. The blue wave and progressives getting a voice in the house was a response to the trump election. There is no reason for you to think that a moderate democrat getting elected will do anything to appreciably push a liberal agenda. It's literally never been done since LBJ. The Democratic Party has not shown the backbone to move anywhere close to left of center in our lifetime with a presidential win.

It sounds like you're saying that progress only comes in big shifts.

I mean if there was ever a time to highlight the need for enhanced worker protections, universal health care, and our ability to pay for it all, this is it!

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« Reply #6777 on: March 12, 2020, 03:49:55 PM »
The Republican Party has consciously moved hard right twice in our lifetime. The Contract With America was a response to the Clinton election. The Tea Party was a response to the Obama election. The blue wave and progressives getting a voice in the house was a response to the trump election. There is no reason for you to think that a moderate democrat getting elected will do anything to appreciably push a liberal agenda. It's literally never been done since LBJ. The Democratic Party has not shown the backbone to move anywhere close to left of center in our lifetime with a presidential win.

It sounds like you're saying that progress only comes in big shifts.

I mean if there was ever a time to highlight the need for enhanced worker protections, universal health care, and our ability to pay for it all, this is it!

Hopefully, the Senate will flip.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #6778 on: March 12, 2020, 04:55:36 PM »
It probably won't

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« Reply #6779 on: March 12, 2020, 05:00:22 PM »

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« Reply #6780 on: March 12, 2020, 05:20:11 PM »
It probably won't

Polls look good.

It's like winning a parlay with a few slight favorites.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #6781 on: March 12, 2020, 08:37:01 PM »
Obama showed you can appeal to the youth without handing elections to republicans and was perceived as the progressive choice in the primary. Trump just mindfucked everyone

biden should do everything he can to convince you he's a flamethrowing socialist, sd that he's a banal moderate centrist and me that he hates warren.  but he probably doesn't have that ability.

as long as he can convince people that trump is even more trump than they thought and biden isn't clinton, he should have a pretty good chance.  especially if half a million people are dead between now and the election.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #6782 on: March 12, 2020, 10:16:47 PM »
oh, biden doesn't have to convince me

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #6783 on: March 13, 2020, 12:23:59 AM »
I'm sure it's very frustrating that not enough voters agree with what you think needs to happen. This is the case for most of my views as well.

Is this unnecessarily snarky, and half-informed post a reply to my reply to you? Either you didn't understand my reply, just completely changed your argument, or you need to spend more time reading something other than this board. Even a majority of Biden voters, in exit polls, support M4A, criminal justice reform, and some sort of secondary ed cost reforms.

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« Reply #6784 on: March 13, 2020, 12:31:37 AM »
I'm sure it's very frustrating that not enough voters agree with what you think needs to happen. This is the case for most of my views as well.

Is this unnecessarily snarky, and half-informed post a reply to my reply to you? Either you didn't understand my reply, just completely changed your argument, or you need to spend more time reading something other than this board. Even a majority of Biden voters, in exit polls, support M4A, criminal justice reform, and some sort of secondary ed cost reforms.

None of which has been embraced by the DNC or by the "Obama/Biden democrats."

I'll speak to you like a child as you did me. I'm not sure if you know how the national democratic convention works, but the actual nomination process is a small part of what happens there. Most of the time there is spent setting the official platform of the party. We'll see if, unlike you, the DNC actually is paying attention to these exit polls, you know from people actually voting, and move the party even a bit more left of center, or they'll continue to feed everyone the same stale, unimaginative platform that ultimately resulted in Donald Trump being elected president.

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« Reply #6785 on: March 13, 2020, 07:21:25 AM »
I find it snarky and insincere when people conclude that Bernie is the only good option on the basis that Biden and Trump are basically the same.

The #1 platform item this year, by far, is Beat Trump. I don't think nominating a guy that a lot of difference making voters have a distaste for is the best way to achieve that. (See Hillary Clinton, e.g.) Further, part of what difference making voters don't like about Bernie is HIS PLATFORM. It would be rough ridin' stupid as eff for Biden to adopt it.

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« Reply #6786 on: March 13, 2020, 07:52:26 AM »
I find it snarky and insincere when people conclude that Bernie is the only good option on the basis that Biden and Trump are basically the same.

The #1 platform item this year, by far, is Beat Trump. I don't think nominating a guy that a lot of difference making voters have a distaste for is the best way to achieve that. (See Hillary Clinton, e.g.) Further, part of what difference making voters don't like about Bernie is HIS PLATFORM. It would be rough ridin' stupid as eff for Biden to adopt it.

agree with all of this.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #6787 on: March 13, 2020, 02:21:36 PM »
I think the bigger thing about the 2020 race is if Coronavirus put the Dow Jones/S&P 500 below 18K, it's reasonable to think Trump would cancel the elections "for public safety" and to be rescheduled at a future time....the Senate GOP would be in danger of losing control and go along with it...the SCOTUS realizing Trump would get another 2-3 Judges probably in a year or two
...would say it's constitutional. Election would be scheduled of course after so long of a time...that Trump gets to choose

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1238160101711720450

https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1238497838499270658

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #6788 on: March 14, 2020, 05:33:45 PM »
GA now delaying primary. Unless the play by the Dems is to wait to see if both die from Covid-19 or something Bernie needs to drop out. Actually Bernie and Biden both need to drop out. It's like a battle royale but the old asses are hunted by a virus and whoever wins get to beat TF out of another possibly still alive old ass.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #6789 on: March 14, 2020, 05:38:26 PM »
GA now delaying primary. Unless the play by the Dems is to wait to see if both die from Covid-19 or something Bernie needs to drop out. Actually Bernie and Biden both need to drop out. It's like a battle royale but the old asses are hunted by a virus and whoever wins get to beat TF out of another possibly still alive old ass.
Remember that sys post with mayor Pete and the Corona chart? :sdeek:

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #6790 on: March 14, 2020, 05:39:24 PM »
mayor pete would irl kick the living crap out of trump.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #6791 on: March 14, 2020, 05:55:54 PM »
Can you come back in when you drop out? I assume there are no real rules only custom.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #6792 on: March 14, 2020, 05:57:06 PM »
DNC should suspend the primaries and declare KU the winner. Er, I mean Pete.

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« Reply #6793 on: March 14, 2020, 05:59:47 PM »
DNC should suspend the primaries and declare KU the winner. Er, I mean Pete.

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« Reply #6794 on: March 14, 2020, 06:06:04 PM »
I mean there's gotta be somewhere out there better than Pete

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« Reply #6795 on: March 14, 2020, 06:11:54 PM »
I mean there's gotta be somewhere out there better than Pete

Right. I had forgotten her.

Edit: Ignore the text/commentary and just watch the video.

https://twitter.com/HappyNoodleUSA/status/1238920574572920833?s=20

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #6796 on: March 14, 2020, 06:39:33 PM »
Did they censor penis?

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« Reply #6797 on: March 15, 2020, 12:29:31 PM »
I find it snarky and insincere when people conclude that Bernie is the only good option on the basis that Biden and Trump are basically the same.

The #1 platform item this year, by far, is Beat Trump. I don't think nominating a guy that a lot of difference making voters have a distaste for is the best way to achieve that. (See Hillary Clinton, e.g.) Further, part of what difference making voters don't like about Bernie is HIS PLATFORM. It would be rough ridin' stupid as eff for Biden to adopt it.



There's literally not a single person on this board who thinks "Bernie is the only good option on the basis that Biden and Trump are basically the same." You are presenting a false choice. I can reject both options without seeing them as equivalent.

There are people, lots of them in fact, that think Biden represents the smallest step forward you could possibly have. He's the one running solely off of what Obama did, not even attempting to distinguish himself in the smallest way possible. The distinguishing components of trump and his presidency are how his lack of moral compass seep into governance when it is impossible for others to get in his way. I think Biden's team handles the COVID response differently, but it certainly isn't outside of the realm of possibility that he would have taken a head-in-the-sand response, he's done nothing in his political history or in this current campaign that would allow anyone to think he would be proactive and progressive in his response.

I'll also point out that no one here has suggested that the Democratic Party adopt Bernie Sanders' platform, whatever that means. The Democratic Party should absolutely adopt a more progressive platform than they appear to have right now, it's literally the will of their voters. Democratic voters have shown that they like the progressive agenda, they just don't want it to come from an old, a woman, or a person of color. Biden is in the position he's in now because he's an old comfortable shoe.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #6798 on: March 15, 2020, 05:45:55 PM »
Old comfortable shoe is an apt metaphor.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #6799 on: March 15, 2020, 06:00:54 PM »
Bernie at the last chance saloon tonight and he has to throw joe through those funny old west saloon doors and then stomp him out in the muddy thoroughfare.