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« Reply #5975 on: February 27, 2020, 09:56:51 AM »
I mean, he can speak for himself if I’m misunderstanding his position.

I take it you disagree with those two suggestions?

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« Reply #5976 on: February 27, 2020, 10:01:34 AM »
I think it's unlikely Bernie gets any sort of healthcare plan passed because it's unlikely republicans lose the senate. They aren't going to compromise with a socialist, so it doesn't really matter what sort of plan Bernie is willing to compromise down to.

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« Reply #5977 on: February 27, 2020, 10:03:53 AM »
Does anybody here really want VA Healthcare for All? I mean, what part of this “progressive agenda” do you actually want (and are willing to pay higher taxes to supposedly afford)? Or is it less the new entitlements and more about the new authoritarianism on thing like guns that excites you?

Old people on medicare don't go to the VA unless they are veterans.
The VA does not accept Medicare.

Oh sorry for the confusion. That was my short-hand for “the healthcare quality under Medicare For All will be worse than Medicare, worse than Medicaid, and maybe worse than the VA.” I think you all secretly know that.
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« Reply #5978 on: February 27, 2020, 10:07:25 AM »
I have trouble believing the VA is really that bad, honestly. Why wouldn't the veterans just go to a different hospital if the service at the VA is worse?

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« Reply #5979 on: February 27, 2020, 10:11:43 AM »
I have trouble believing the VA is really that bad, honestly. Why wouldn't the veterans just go to a different hospital if the service at the VA is worse?
They can. Some VA clinics are very good. Some are very bad. There is a spectrum, just like healthcare quality throughout the country.

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« Reply #5980 on: February 27, 2020, 10:13:39 AM »
I mean, he can speak for himself if I’m misunderstanding his position.

I take it you disagree with those two suggestions?

I don't think it's necessarily a failure if Bernie's full version of M4A doesn't get through. It isn't a college football game where there can only be two outcomes, winning and losing.

I don't really have an opinion on the second because I don't think it really applies to anyone, it's just some scenario you made up.

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« Reply #5981 on: February 27, 2020, 11:54:07 AM »

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« Reply #5982 on: February 27, 2020, 11:59:22 AM »

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« Reply #5983 on: February 27, 2020, 12:04:55 PM »

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« Reply #5984 on: February 27, 2020, 12:20:08 PM »
Everyone loves their Soccer Grandma as a person.


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« Reply #5985 on: February 27, 2020, 12:21:54 PM »
Everyone loves their Soccer Grandma as a person.
Correct. Similar to how we all still love you, Dax.

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« Reply #5986 on: February 27, 2020, 12:23:13 PM »
The whole segment is great.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u6v2DbTyi4[/youtube]

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« Reply #5987 on: February 27, 2020, 12:30:14 PM »
Everyone loves their Soccer Grandma as a person.
Correct. Similar to how we all still love you, Dax.

Way way cooler than Liz and much younger as well.


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« Reply #5988 on: February 27, 2020, 12:36:45 PM »
If Bernie fails to get Medicare 4 ALL and settles for a public option we will be where Obama wanted to be in '08. It would obviously be a vast improvement, but also a big disappointment. Why is this so hard to understand?

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« Reply #5989 on: February 27, 2020, 12:40:48 PM »
If Bernie fails to get Medicare 4 ALL and settles for a public option we will be where Obama wanted to be in '08. It would obviously be a vast improvement, but also a big disappointment. Why is this so hard to understand?

It's amazing how much further left the Dem Party has moved in a decade. I guess Orange Man's Fault.

I found this interesting...



https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/26/opinion/sunday/republican-platform-far-right.html

(The lead speaks to the GOP, but this chart lower in the artilce tells the real story).
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« Reply #5990 on: February 27, 2020, 12:43:54 PM »
If Bernie fails to get Medicare 4 ALL and settles for a public option we will be where Obama wanted to be in '08. It would obviously be a vast improvement, but also a big disappointment. Why is this so hard to understand?

it's either a success or failure, no middle ground

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« Reply #5991 on: February 27, 2020, 12:48:51 PM »
With such a hostile McConnell senate, I doubt Bernie could even get a scotus appointment during his term, let alone any anything positive on the health care front.
Hyperbolic partisan duplicitous hypocrite

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« Reply #5992 on: February 27, 2020, 12:50:28 PM »
That applies to all the dem candidates
Hyperbolic partisan duplicitous hypocrite

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« Reply #5993 on: February 27, 2020, 12:54:03 PM »
If Bernie fails to get Medicare 4 ALL and settles for a public option we will be where Obama wanted to be in '08. It would obviously be a vast improvement, but also a big disappointment. Why is this so hard to understand?

It's amazing how much further left the Dem Party has moved in a decade. I guess Orange Man's Fault.

I found this interesting...



https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/26/opinion/sunday/republican-platform-far-right.html

(The lead speaks to the GOP, but this chart lower in the artilce tells the real story).

IMO it was more about Bernie challenging Hillary than Trump. He shifted the entire party to the left with the opportunity and Fox News making folks like AOC a superstar just kinda made the shift easier.

Obama really didn't do much to shift the party to the left.

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« Reply #5994 on: February 27, 2020, 12:56:54 PM »
If Bernie fails to get Medicare 4 ALL and settles for a public option we will be where Obama wanted to be in '08. It would obviously be a vast improvement, but also a big disappointment. Why is this so hard to understand?

It's amazing how much further left the Dem Party has moved in a decade. I guess Orange Man's Fault.

I found this interesting...



https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/26/opinion/sunday/republican-platform-far-right.html

(The lead speaks to the GOP, but this chart lower in the artilce tells the real story).

IMO it was more about Bernie challenging Hillary than Trump. He shifted the entire party to the left with the opportunity and Fox News making folks like AOC a superstar just kinda made the shift easier.

Obama really didn't do much to shift the party to the left.

I think parties follow their base - not the other way around.
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« Reply #5995 on: February 27, 2020, 01:02:37 PM »
I think parties follow their base - not the other way around.

I don't necessarily disagree. Growing dissatisfaction with Obama doing basically nothing to push liberal causes combined with a pretty charismatic progressive leader in Sanders kind of fed on each other. And yeah I'm sure a more firm rejection of Trump contributed to the shift, too. It's a combination of everything.

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« Reply #5996 on: February 27, 2020, 01:50:50 PM »
Is there anything beyond ego that precludes any of these people from becoming a pres/vp tag team right now?

Damn _33 senior you asked this question in January. I don't think any of these people will be a VP candidate for any of the others, it doesn't make sense. The most fitting one to be a VP is Steyer. They aren't going to ask a white dude and he wouldn't do it if asked. Harris and Booker might be choices for any of the moderates. Sanders and Warren will likely choose someone you've never heard of.

Yeah, but now it’s the end of February and things are more clear. Warren should be Sanders’ VP and Pete should be Biden’s.

It’s dumb that we have to pick from these people without knowing who most of their team would be. At least having the VP picked isn’t much to ask, and it would narrow the field.

Nah, you have to pick a VP that would broaden your appeal. Warren could do that to an extent for Sanders, but there are choices that give him more of a shot in the arm, same that could be said for Biden and Pete. There are lots of young, dynamic, moderates out there that haven't spent six months pissing off a large percentage of the electorate.

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« Reply #5997 on: February 27, 2020, 02:00:57 PM »
Is there anything beyond ego that precludes any of these people from becoming a pres/vp tag team right now?

Damn _33 senior you asked this question in January. I don't think any of these people will be a VP candidate for any of the others, it doesn't make sense. The most fitting one to be a VP is Steyer. They aren't going to ask a white dude and he wouldn't do it if asked. Harris and Booker might be choices for any of the moderates. Sanders and Warren will likely choose someone you've never heard of.

I agree. As a POC, does this racial pandering appeal to you?

Only your racist ass would think expanding that opportunity beyond the mediocre white man, who has always served in that role, pandering. White males account for roughly 35% of the population, expecting representation from the other 65% of the population is pandering? You don't think there are women and minorities from both parties that are smarter and more dynamic than Mike Pence, Joe Biden, Dick Chaney, Al Gore, Dan Quayle, and George Bush?

You think you are so smart and savvy, but you couldn't avoid this very obvious self own. Whatever minor league you spent time at the last few months at trying to hone your skills at, grossly failed you. Try smarter, not harder, troll. 

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« Reply #5998 on: February 27, 2020, 02:02:32 PM »
This is just going to be fantastic. Can’t wait.


? https://dnyuz.com/2020/02/27/democratic-leaders-willing-to-risk-party-damage-to-stop-bernie-sanders?

Did anyone actually click this? What the eff is dnyuz?

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« Reply #5999 on: February 27, 2020, 02:18:34 PM »
If Bernie fails to get Medicare 4 ALL and settles for a public option we will be where Obama wanted to be in '08. It would obviously be a vast improvement, but also a big disappointment. Why is this so hard to understand?

It's amazing how much further left the Dem Party has moved in a decade. I guess Orange Man's Fault.

I found this interesting...



https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/26/opinion/sunday/republican-platform-far-right.html

(The lead speaks to the GOP, but this chart lower in the artilce tells the real story).

IMO it was more about Bernie challenging Hillary than Trump. He shifted the entire party to the left with the opportunity and Fox News making folks like AOC a superstar just kinda made the shift easier.

Obama really didn't do much to shift the party to the left.

I think the shift left was a combination of dissatisfaction with the Obama presidency and the subsequent shift right of the republican party. If Obama managed to get actual health care reform, Bernie in '16 doesn't become a thing, nationally. KSUW is right that the shift left is in the electorate and not the party, in fact, it seems obvious that the party is fighting the move left, because their business is getting democrats elected, not transforming the country at any cost.