2020 presidential candidate 'crats

[chum1]

Yes, please do this right away. The current situation sucks.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1231570678844928000

[LickNeckey]

So we currently have a president that has ramped up military spending.

Created a "new branch" of the military.

Unilaterally decided to deploy billions on a largely inneffective wall that either is felled by reciprocating saws or has to be left open months on end in flood plains.

Funneled billions upon billions of subsidies towards the farm sector to cover failed trade policy.


But KSUW has re-emerged from the woodwork to warm us of the perils of "socialist" economic policies...

[catastrophe]

Yang seems like a legit good guy.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Yes, please do this right away. The current situation sucks.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1231570678844928000

They’ve done the math, and they still have decent chance of denying Bernie the first ballot win he needs - if they stay in. This is all a play for the convention at this point.

[LickNeckey]

Resident pubs.

Which of Bern's policy positions do you find to be most worrying?

Educating People or Ensuring access to health care?

[MakeItRain]

If u numbnuts nominate Bernie, lol, well...

Yeah man, shame on the democrats for nominating an actual liberal. It isn't the job of that party to make you and you other "moderates" feel better for being a Republican. It took the democrats 60 years to find a liberal to run for president. It happened because your party thought they needed Trump to follow a black centrist. rough ridin' blame yourself and your party for finally waking up the sleepy and complacent liberals.

You rough ridin' republicans are something else, fix your rough ridin' party and stop expecting other's to vote against their own interests because your leaders only give a crap about keeping themselves rich. This is happening because people are tired of not being able to afford health care, want some leadership on kids getting gunned down in classrooms, and don't want racists and Nazis cozied up to be the country's leadership. Your fault that your party let these be liberal stances.

Twenty years ago Pete Buttigieg and Michael Bloomberg would be populist conservatives. There is no such thing as a populist conservative anymore, and these people don't have a place in the democratic party, as they shouldn't given they aren't liberals. Take your party back from the evangelicals, and Washington insiders getting money and power from the gun lobby, the private financial sector, and the health care industry.

Amazing meltdown. Yes, it’s the Pubs’ fault that the Dems have finally fully dropped the mask and are about to nominate a Marxist.

Read better, dummy

[MakeItRain]

So, populism?

What exactly are you referring to as populism?

Bernie is a populist. That's what I'm referring to. You could argue that his populism appeals to the better angels of our nature, but it seems poetic that one populist might be followed by another. (Even though I still can't imagine him being elected)

  although Trump isn't a populist, his beliefs don't reflect that. He was a good salesman that ran against a historically bad, one and still lost the popular vote.

One pov for populism as a term historically, article basically says Bernie is pretty og populist.

https://www.oah.org/tah/issues/2016/february/if-trump-and-sanders-are-both-populists-what-does-populist-mean/

That below and how the term is used in Europe were my understanding prior, not a narrow slice of American politics.

"Populists embraced irrational myths of the past and unreasoned grievances about the present. As a result, he explained, the Populist tradition was unstable, easily shifting from left to right, and thereby "soured" into the intolerance and "cranky pseudo-conservatism" of the 1950s"

Heh

[MakeItRain]

Yes, it’s the Pubs’ fault that the Dems have finally fully dropped the mask and are about to nominate a Marxist.

Agree with this part. Exact story with the pubs blaming Obama for dropping the mask on the unabashed bigotry and fascism. Both poles need to get their crap together.

To be clear, I've only seen conservatives make this claim. It would make zero sense for a liberal to do so.

[steve dave]

Resident pubs.

Which of Bern's policy positions do you find to be most worrying?

Educating People or Ensuring access to health care?

Stuff that sucks crap (most of this will be re. regulation of business that will make the market eat crap and make doing business a giant PITA):
- public and large companies requiring their board seats be voted on by employees and requirement to open up shares to purchase by them. Share buyback by companies seen as market manipulation (wtf). requirement to offer workers right of first refusal to buy a company that's for sale.
-requirement to honor existing union contracts of companies being purchased.
-public banking.
-medicare for all with seemingly no real plan for the millions of employees and public/private companies that would be effected.
-rent increase limits
-25% tax on the sale of home within 5 years, really all the proposed bureaucracy and taxation of the property market

stuff that is fine or rules:
-non-heavy handed parts of the climate policy (basically the Obama adjace parts)
-idea of medicare for all if it comes with an actual plan
-free basic college
-drugs (the ones you have to have)
-drugs (the ones you want to have)

[MakeItRain]

Yang seems like a legit good guy.

He's fine but yesterday he kept insisting that Bernie can't get a plurality of delegates, it was central to everything he said yesterday, and for a math guy, that's really incorrect. The most recent historical data proves this wrong. When Nevada eventually releases their official results, Sanders will have more delegates from IA, NH, and NV than Trump did.

[MakeItRain]

Resident pubs.

Which of Bern's policy positions do you find to be most worrying?

Educating People or Ensuring access to health care?

Stuff that sucks crap (most of this will be re. regulation of business that will make the market eat crap and make doing business a giant PITA):
- public and large companies requiring their board seats be voted on by employees and requirement to open up shares to purchase by them. Share buyback by companies seen as market manipulation (wtf). requirement to offer workers right of first refusal to buy a company that's for sale.
-requirement to honor existing union contracts of companies being purchased.
-public banking.
-medicare for all with seemingly no real plan for the millions of employees and public/private companies that would be effected.
-rent increase limits
-25% tax on the sale of home within 5 years, really all the proposed bureaucracy and taxation of the property market

stuff that is fine or rules:
-climate policies
-idea of medicare for all if it comes with an actual plan
-free basic college
-drugs (the ones you have to have)
-drugs (the ones you want to have)

So the policies focusing on the micro aspects of regulation are unpalatable enough to you that the macro issues you like carry less weight? I'm assuming these micro issues will have an adverse reaction to your job?

[steve dave]

not my job, no. at least anymore than every person's job in the private sector would be. I work for a Swiss company though, so a lot of the proposed bureaucracy would be avoided. but doing business in the USA would get more difficult whether you are a local for foreign entity.

[michigancat]

Resident pubs.

Which of Bern's policy positions do you find to be most worrying?

Educating People or Ensuring access to health care?

Stuff that sucks crap (most of this will be re. regulation of business that will make the market eat crap and make doing business a giant PITA):
- public and large companies requiring their board seats be voted on by employees and requirement to open up shares to purchase by them. Share buyback by companies seen as market manipulation (wtf). requirement to offer workers right of first refusal to buy a company that's for sale.
-requirement to honor existing union contracts of companies being purchased.
-public banking.
-medicare for all with seemingly no real plan for the millions of employees and public/private companies that would be effected.
-rent increase limits
-25% tax on the sale of home within 5 years, really all the proposed bureaucracy and taxation of the property market

stuff that is fine or rules:
-climate policies
-idea of medicare for all if it comes with an actual plan
-free basic college
-drugs (the ones you have to have)
-drugs (the ones you want to have)

So the policies focusing on the micro aspects of regulation are unpalatable enough to you that the macro issues you like carry less weight? I'm assuming these micro issues will have an adverse reaction to your job?

Share buybacks were illegal until 1982. I think the employee ownership thing is ambitious and will need to change but the rest seem like they would have minimal negative impact on the overall economy (other than the potential pain of transition to M4A but that would be temporary). I don't see how any of those would personally impact you negatively at all

[MakeItRain]

Why did Iowa get killed as much as they did but Nevada is getting a complete pass? At this point Iowa had made several statements and had a press conference scheduled. Nevada has moved from 50% of the reported vote to just 60% in twelve hours. We're nearing 24 hours out with only 60% reported, no statements from the Nevada Democrats or the DNC about when to expect complete results.

Abolish Caucuses.

[MakeItRain]

Yes!
https://twitter.com/AnandWrites/status/1231622488204959744

[Katpappy]

If u numbnuts nominate Bernie, lol, well...

Yeah man, shame on the democrats for nominating an actual liberal. It isn't the job of that party to make you and you other "moderates" feel better for being a Republican. It took the democrats 60 years to find a liberal to run for president. It happened because your party thought they needed Trump to follow a black centrist. rough ridin' blame yourself and your party for finally waking up the sleepy and complacent liberals.

You rough ridin' republicans are something else, fix your rough ridin' party and stop expecting other's to vote against their own interests because your leaders only give a crap about keeping themselves rich. This is happening because people are tired of not being able to afford health care, want some leadership on kids getting gunned down in classrooms, and don't want racists and Nazis cozied up to be the country's leadership. Your fault that your party let these be liberal stances.

Twenty years ago Pete Buttigieg and Michael Bloomberg would be populist conservatives. There is no such thing as a populist conservative anymore, and these people don't have a place in the democratic party, as they shouldn't given they aren't liberals. Take your party back from the evangelicals, and Washington insiders getting money and power from the gun lobby, the private financial sector, and the health care industry.

Amazing meltdown. Yes, it’s the Pubs’ fault that the Dems have finally fully dropped the mask and are about to nominate a Marxist.

So you're a typical mind mumped rube.  You do know Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Workman's Comp., Welfare, and numerous other gov. programs, such as land/crop payments are all socialist programs; you stupid rough ridin' rube.

   

[steve dave]

Resident pubs.

Which of Bern's policy positions do you find to be most worrying?

Educating People or Ensuring access to health care?

Stuff that sucks crap (most of this will be re. regulation of business that will make the market eat crap and make doing business a giant PITA):
- public and large companies requiring their board seats be voted on by employees and requirement to open up shares to purchase by them. Share buyback by companies seen as market manipulation (wtf). requirement to offer workers right of first refusal to buy a company that's for sale.
-requirement to honor existing union contracts of companies being purchased.
-public banking.
-medicare for all with seemingly no real plan for the millions of employees and public/private companies that would be effected.
-rent increase limits
-25% tax on the sale of home within 5 years, really all the proposed bureaucracy and taxation of the property market

stuff that is fine or rules:
-climate policies
-idea of medicare for all if it comes with an actual plan
-free basic college
-drugs (the ones you have to have)
-drugs (the ones you want to have)

So the policies focusing on the micro aspects of regulation are unpalatable enough to you that the macro issues you like carry less weight? I'm assuming these micro issues will have an adverse reaction to your job?

Share buybacks were illegal until 1982. I think the employee ownership thing is ambitious and will need to change but the rest seem like they would have minimal negative impact on the overall economy (other than the potential pain of transition to M4A but that would be temporary). I don't see how any of those would personally impact you negatively at all

As a moral high road moderate I don’t vote for what would impact me personally (unless that also does the greatest good).


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[steve dave]

I love when Katdaddy lays the leather on here


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[michigancat]

Resident pubs.

Which of Bern's policy positions do you find to be most worrying?

Educating People or Ensuring access to health care?

Stuff that sucks crap (most of this will be re. regulation of business that will make the market eat crap and make doing business a giant PITA):
- public and large companies requiring their board seats be voted on by employees and requirement to open up shares to purchase by them. Share buyback by companies seen as market manipulation (wtf). requirement to offer workers right of first refusal to buy a company that's for sale.
-requirement to honor existing union contracts of companies being purchased.
-public banking.
-medicare for all with seemingly no real plan for the millions of employees and public/private companies that would be effected.
-rent increase limits
-25% tax on the sale of home within 5 years, really all the proposed bureaucracy and taxation of the property market

stuff that is fine or rules:
-climate policies
-idea of medicare for all if it comes with an actual plan
-free basic college
-drugs (the ones you have to have)
-drugs (the ones you want to have)

So the policies focusing on the micro aspects of regulation are unpalatable enough to you that the macro issues you like carry less weight? I'm assuming these micro issues will have an adverse reaction to your job?

Share buybacks were illegal until 1982. I think the employee ownership thing is ambitious and will need to change but the rest seem like they would have minimal negative impact on the overall economy (other than the potential pain of transition to M4A but that would be temporary). I don't see how any of those would personally impact you negatively at all

As a moral high road moderate I don’t vote for what would impact me personally (unless that also does the greatest good).


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lol

[Katpappy]

Resident libderps, do you think Bernie could/will defeat Trump in November?

I think if there's only one person Trump can beat, that person is Bernie.

That's goes along with the rich controlled media?

[Katpappy]

Yes!
https://twitter.com/AnandWrites/status/1231622488204959744

 

[bucket]

Resident libderps, do you think Bernie could/will defeat Trump in November?

I think if there's only one person Trump can beat, that person is Bernie.

That's goes along with the rich controlled media?

Fareed Zakaria had someone on this afternoon talking about how excited young people are about Bernie. I think it's reasonable to think that the surge in young voters would counter the people who vote for Trump because Bernie is a big, bad democtractic socialist.

[chum1]

That's a big reason we're going to be mumped with Bernie. Young people just don't vote. Never have, never will.

[bucket]

That's a big reason we're going to be mumped with Bernie. Young people just don't vote. Never have, never will.

The thought was that he could get them to turnout unlike the other candidates.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

If u numbnuts nominate Bernie, lol, well...

Yeah man, shame on the democrats for nominating an actual liberal. It isn't the job of that party to make you and you other "moderates" feel better for being a Republican. It took the democrats 60 years to find a liberal to run for president. It happened because your party thought they needed Trump to follow a black centrist. rough ridin' blame yourself and your party for finally waking up the sleepy and complacent liberals.

You rough ridin' republicans are something else, fix your rough ridin' party and stop expecting other's to vote against their own interests because your leaders only give a crap about keeping themselves rich. This is happening because people are tired of not being able to afford health care, want some leadership on kids getting gunned down in classrooms, and don't want racists and Nazis cozied up to be the country's leadership. Your fault that your party let these be liberal stances.

Twenty years ago Pete Buttigieg and Michael Bloomberg would be populist conservatives. There is no such thing as a populist conservative anymore, and these people don't have a place in the democratic party, as they shouldn't given they aren't liberals. Take your party back from the evangelicals, and Washington insiders getting money and power from the gun lobby, the private financial sector, and the health care industry.

Amazing meltdown. Yes, it’s the Pubs’ fault that the Dems have finally fully dropped the mask and are about to nominate a Marxist.

So you're a typical mind mumped rube.  You do know Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Workman's Comp., Welfare, and numerous other gov. programs, such as land/crop payments are all socialist programs; you stupid rough ridin' rube.