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dmartin · « **Reply #1150 on:** March 27, 2019, 11:21:10 AM »

https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/1110928778790764544

sys · « **Reply #1151 on:** March 27, 2019, 11:28:25 AM »

the math on this is wrong ($27 is per contributor not per contribution, iirc), but it should be well over 15 million and 20 million seems possible. in addition to sanders and beto, i'll be most interested in seeing donations for harris, buttigieg and warren.

https://twitter.com/PoliticoScott/status/1110916371586654209

sys · « **Reply #1152 on:** March 27, 2019, 11:30:31 AM »

Quote from: dmartin on March 27, 2019, 11:21:10 AM

https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/1110928778790764544

eff yeah.

chum1 · « **Reply #1153 on:** March 27, 2019, 12:42:11 PM »

I don't appreciate how sys two times Beto with Stacy.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #1154 on:** March 27, 2019, 12:51:35 PM »

Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on March 27, 2019, 11:17:16 AM

Not enough doctors, patent laws, too many FDA regs...

Good Lord, big pharma speaks

Trim · « **Reply #1155 on:** March 27, 2019, 12:59:45 PM »

Quote from: chum1 on March 27, 2019, 12:42:11 PM

I don't appreciate how sys two times Beto with Stacy.

gE's Temptation Island.

catastrophe · « **Reply #1156 on:** March 27, 2019, 01:14:52 PM »

Quote from: wetwillie on March 27, 2019, 11:15:16 AM

Why is healthcare so expensive?

It’s a little complicated, but if you get the chance you should definitely talk to someone in the healthcare business industry like pharma reps and medical device providers. It’s one of the swampiest of swampy industries in America, with all kinds of kickbacks where everyone is scratching each other’s backs to get rich off of people who just take their doctor’s advice because they trust them.

It really is pretty disgusting even if you only get a tiny piece of the picture.

sys · « **Reply #1157 on:** March 27, 2019, 01:19:52 PM »

this is good.

https://thinkprogress.org/2020-progressives-face-hard-truths-race-cornell-belcher-interview-739ce3010f3f/

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #1158 on:** March 27, 2019, 01:22:43 PM »

Quote from: sys on March 27, 2019, 01:19:52 PM

this is good.

https://thinkprogress.org/2020-progressives-face-hard-truths-race-cornell-belcher-interview-739ce3010f3f/

In essence, make sure you have the best identity politics platform and you'll capture LibDerp Nation.

Woogy · « **Reply #1159 on:** March 27, 2019, 01:41:40 PM »

Quote from: catastrophe on March 27, 2019, 01:14:52 PM

Quote from: wetwillie on March 27, 2019, 11:15:16 AM
Why is healthcare so expensive?

It’s a little complicated, but if you get the chance you should definitely talk to someone in the healthcare business industry like pharma reps and medical device providers. It’s one of the swampiest of swampy industries in America, with all kinds of kickbacks where everyone is scratching each other’s backs to get rich off of people who just take their doctor’s advice because they trust them.

It really is pretty disgusting even if you only get a tiny piece of the picture.

In a previous life I was employed at a mental health benefits third party administrator. There was a definite pay to play aspect that existed to get with the "right" brokers in order to get in front of the end client. This was back 15 years ago or so, nothing even approaching parity with medical benefits, so it was quite a bit more wild-west as to how skeevy you wanted to play.

8manpick · « **Reply #1160 on:** March 27, 2019, 02:12:23 PM »

Quote from: sonofdaxjones on March 27, 2019, 01:22:43 PM

Quote from: sys on March 27, 2019, 01:19:52 PM
this is good.

https://thinkprogress.org/2020-progressives-face-hard-truths-race-cornell-belcher-interview-739ce3010f3f/

In essence, make sure you have the best identity politics platform and you'll capture LibDerp Nation.

steve dave · « **Reply #1161 on:** March 27, 2019, 02:30:48 PM »

sys, would you prefer a beto/abrams, abrams/beto, beto/myscan, or abrams/myscan ticket?

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sys · « **Reply #1162 on:** March 27, 2019, 02:54:47 PM »

if i could unilaterally appoint the president and vice president i would appoint abrams/beto and i also think that abrams/beto would be the best ticket for the general, so if i only was able to unilaterally appoint the democratic ticket it would also be abrams/beto.

sys · « **Reply #1163 on:** March 27, 2019, 03:00:24 PM »

with the caveat that i know a lot more about beto, so i could change my mind on abrams with more exposure.

Institutional Control · « **Reply #1164 on:** March 27, 2019, 03:43:07 PM »

Quote from: sys on March 27, 2019, 11:12:55 AM

Quote from: Batt BcKee on March 27, 2019, 10:58:23 AM
Health insurance costs began to skyrocket in 94 when most of the BCBS's converted from non-profit mutual companies to for-profit publicly traded companies. For the life of me, I'll never know why they were allowed to do that.

health insurance in the united states is expensive because health care in the united states is expensive. not the other way around.

It's actually both but more the insurance companies than the healthcare provider. Insurance companies set the pricing for most of healthcare thru PPO contracts with providers to Usual and Customary limits written into policies. A hospital can charge a person without insurance any price they want, they are not bound by a contract. Providers have a payment schedule established with the insurance company they are legally obligated to accept as payment in full. They offset those reduced amounts by over-charging the uninsured.

As someone who worked in the health insurance industry for 15 years I can tell you that skyrocketing premiums and the increase in lesser coverage plans like HMOs can all be correlated to 1994 when they started having to answer to stockholders.

sys · « **Reply #1165 on:** March 27, 2019, 03:48:58 PM »

profit margins for health insurance companies average in the low single digits.

Institutional Control · « **Reply #1166 on:** March 27, 2019, 04:12:25 PM »

And over 50% of hospitals lose money every year.

wetwillie · « **Reply #1167 on:** March 27, 2019, 04:19:22 PM »

I assumed it was because we are really unhealthy as a population

sys · « **Reply #1168 on:** March 27, 2019, 04:30:14 PM »

Quote from: Batt BcKee on March 27, 2019, 04:12:25 PM

And over 50% of hospitals lose money every year.

so i think we can rule out profit seeking by insurance companies and hospitals as principal drivers of elevated health care costs in the us.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #1169 on:** March 27, 2019, 04:36:15 PM »

I'm pretty sure it's not enough doctors, patent laws, and FDA regs being very costly to meet.

chum1 · « **Reply #1170 on:** March 27, 2019, 05:19:45 PM »

How about technology? And progress allowing for more/better treatments?

sys · « **Reply #1171 on:** March 27, 2019, 05:26:28 PM »

Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on March 27, 2019, 04:36:15 PM

I'm pretty sure it's not enough doctors, patent laws, and FDA regs being very costly to meet.

yeah, i think those are all important factors.

steve dave · « **Reply #1172 on:** March 27, 2019, 06:16:47 PM »

A lot of it is med mal

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Kat Kid · « **Reply #1173 on:** March 27, 2019, 06:31:07 PM »

uh oh sys. Stacey Abrams said no to Biden and is now coming after Beto.

sys · « **Reply #1174 on:** March 27, 2019, 07:06:38 PM »

i'd rather see s carolina, but a poll from anywhere in the south is nice.

https://twitter.com/ChangePolls/status/1110700712542040064