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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #800 on: March 07, 2019, 07:48:10 PM »
I am prepared to look like an idiot, but I think this is a two-person race.  Bernie and Harris.

https://twitter.com/rudnicknoah/status/1101220546195456000
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #801 on: March 07, 2019, 07:56:02 PM »
it would be interesting to see how that compares to past elections

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #802 on: March 07, 2019, 08:18:20 PM »
it would be interesting to see how that compares to past elections

not that people might not have already decided on who they supported, but at this point in time in past elections there were no declared candidates.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #803 on: March 07, 2019, 08:39:02 PM »
michigancat, do you like harris?  not as a presidential candidate, just like, do you like her or no?  it just occurred to me that i've never seen a california approval poll for her.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #804 on: March 07, 2019, 08:46:35 PM »
found one.  her approval is almost exactly the same as beto's tx approval.


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California voters approve 53 - 32 percent of the job Harris is doing as a U.S. Senator.

https://poll.qu.edu/california/release-detail?ReleaseID=2599
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #805 on: March 07, 2019, 11:41:00 PM »
her approval is almost exactly the same as beto's tx approval.

completely misremembered the beto #, which should have been obvious.  50-30 is just his latino number in tx.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #806 on: March 07, 2019, 11:41:38 PM »
found one.  her approval is almost exactly the same as beto's tx approval.


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California voters approve 53 - 32 percent of the job Harris is doing as a U.S. Senator.

https://poll.qu.edu/california/release-detail?ReleaseID=2599

Link to beto's tx approval, assuming you're not just a shitty reader?

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #808 on: March 08, 2019, 01:12:55 AM »
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #809 on: March 08, 2019, 11:35:25 AM »
michigancat, do you like harris?  not as a presidential candidate, just like, do you like her or no?  it just occurred to me that i've never seen a california approval poll for her.

she seems like Hillary 2.0 to me only a little more progressive to appease the shift in the party

Progressives say she's a cop and black twitter makes fun of her a lot and some of the stuff she did as DA was pretty bad.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #810 on: March 08, 2019, 11:51:03 AM »
My theory of the race is pretty simple. 

There are a lot of candidates that have zero shot in this race:
gillibrand, klobuchar, buttigeg (sp?), castro, hickenlooper, yang, gabbard, inslee

then there are people that have some sort of shot:
booker, warren, sanders, harris

of those 4, we can pretty clearly divide them in to 2 groups:
warren/bernie- DNC would not like to win
booker/harris- DNC would like to win

harris is going to have much more appeal to actual voters than Booker's bizarre complete lack of a platform bromides and he will get hit hard by even Harris on Wall St. stuff

Bernie has built his own fundraising base and has a whole infrastructure from his last run that will overwhelm warren even if she surprises in Iowa

do you want me to talk about Biden?  He has no shot, he is going to get completely destroyed from all sides.
Abrams/Beto? let's wait for the roll out, but I would say Beto has the higher name ID and a slightly better shot, but I don't think he will be able to work his schtick for the whole time without getting in to policy at some point and I don't think his fundraising or style of politics will be nearly as appealing in a big dem primary as opposed to against someone as despicable as Ted Cruz in a place where he got tons of outside money from people trying to grab a Texas Senate seat. I just don't see it.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #811 on: March 08, 2019, 12:05:43 PM »
Talk about Biden. I’d vote for his ancient old ass over some of those chumps like Bernie, Warren but I’m not a dem so won’t get to.


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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #812 on: March 08, 2019, 12:06:24 PM »
Pete are you seeing this crap bro?

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #813 on: March 08, 2019, 12:14:07 PM »
Talk about Biden. I’d vote for his ancient old ass over some of those chumps like Bernie, Warren but I’m not a dem so won’t get to.


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yeah this one of his problems.  I think post #metoo his grabbiness looks a lot different.  I think post-#BLM his anti-bussing is bad.  I think post-Bernie his record on Delaware Credit Card/financial services stuff looks particularly bad.  Almost any topic that is going to come up he is going to have a really hard time with.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #814 on: March 08, 2019, 12:16:40 PM »
Talk about Biden. I’d vote for his ancient old ass over some of those chumps like Bernie, Warren but I’m not a dem so won’t get to.


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Dax too  :emawkid:

Oh, I'm definitely going Biden if it's him vs Trump.  Even if I know Joe is going to be a sock puppet of the horrible Obama legacy.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #815 on: March 08, 2019, 01:47:33 PM »
WOW!

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #816 on: March 08, 2019, 01:59:34 PM »
Talk about Biden. I’d vote for his ancient old ass over some of those chumps like Bernie, Warren but I’m not a dem so won’t get to.


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Dax too  :emawkid:

Oh, I'm definitely going Biden if it's him vs Trump.  Even if I know Joe is going to be a sock puppet of the horrible Obama legacy.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #817 on: March 08, 2019, 07:45:22 PM »
she seems like Hillary 2.0 to me.

i don't know what you mean by that (warpig, untalented politician, establishment shill, poll-tested say anything bot?), but it's interesting because there does seem to be more overlap than i would have guessed a priori between hillary-would-have-wonners and harris supporters, at least on twitter.  there's also this.

https://twitter.com/IanSams/status/1104054645612335107


i also have no idea if this possible association is good, bad or meaningless for harris.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #818 on: March 08, 2019, 07:59:58 PM »
My theory of the race is pretty simple...

in general, i think you are a projecting far too much certainty in some aspects of the status quo (harris maintaining her lead among non-biden/bernie candidates) and far too little in other aspects (biden falling apart).  i refer you back to the graph i posted indicating that like 90%ish of the electorate are undecided.  most of those probably wouldn't be able to name more than three candidates unprompted.

i also have some quibbles with your statement of the status quo.  for example, you list warren in the top tier.  her poll numbers have been falling pretty steadily almost from since her post-launch bump and she is reportedly already experiencing money problems.  i'd consider her more likely to withdraw before iowa than end up in the top 4.


imo, anyone that a) has access to enough money to keep a legit campaign afloat for a year, and b) has demonstrated political appeal has a shot at this.  there's a reason the field is so large (and growing), there's no one with an advantage large enough to scare other candidates out.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #819 on: March 08, 2019, 08:03:53 PM »
if biden runs, and is in the hunt, obama will endorse him. and he'll be your next president.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #820 on: March 08, 2019, 08:07:18 PM »
and assuming ben sasse doesn't out of the blue primary trump's ancient ass I'll vote for biden's ancient ass

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #821 on: March 08, 2019, 08:37:23 PM »
if biden runs, and is in the hunt, obama will endorse him. and he'll be your next president.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #822 on: March 08, 2019, 08:44:50 PM »
if biden runs, and is in the hunt, obama will endorse him. and he'll be your next president.

obama will not officially endorse any candidate.  he might give a soft endorsement to someone, but i very much doubt it.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #823 on: March 08, 2019, 09:48:01 PM »
quit posting about old boring white dudes.



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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #824 on: March 08, 2019, 11:20:47 PM »
Talk about Biden. I’d vote for his ancient old ass over some of those chumps like Bernie, Warren but I’m not a dem so won’t get to.


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So who are you voting for, if Thump is unopposed? 
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