Author Topic: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats (Read 544795 times)

Kat Kid · « **Reply #6525 on:** March 06, 2020, 12:11:02 PM »

Quote from: steve dave on March 06, 2020, 12:07:41 PM

Quote from: Kat Kid on March 06, 2020, 11:08:48 AM
When Trump rolls out the 2016 playbook and Biden is defending Hunter Biden getting a six figure no show job in Ukraine and an Amtrak job because he "likes trains" and Trump wins re-election, you guys can pull this back up.

What’s the better play kk? Run Bernie who just got his ass whipped in every single swing state?

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Which of these are swing states? North Carolina?

Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, and Virginia

Kat Kid · « **Reply #6526 on:** March 06, 2020, 12:12:00 PM »

I guess Maine.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #6527 on:** March 06, 2020, 12:21:49 PM »

Quote from: _33 on March 06, 2020, 12:10:05 PM

I can’t tell if you guys are joking about the dictator stuff.

I'll explain:

According to RUIN, Barrack Obama was just joking about wanting to continue on as ~~dictator~~ president. Just a big ol Joke when Barrack talked about who he could beat, and how he could just keep on going but those gosh darn laws keep getting in the way. Hur-hur-hur

Also according to RUIN. Don Trump is super serious and truly wants to be a dictator.

michigancat · « **Reply #6528 on:** March 06, 2020, 12:23:58 PM »

Quote from: steve dave on March 06, 2020, 12:07:41 PM

Quote from: Kat Kid on March 06, 2020, 11:08:48 AM
When Trump rolls out the 2016 playbook and Biden is defending Hunter Biden getting a six figure no show job in Ukraine and an Amtrak job because he "likes trains" and Trump wins re-election, you guys can pull this back up.

What’s the better play kk? Run Bernie who just got his ass whipped in every single swing state?

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hindsight got me thinking - what if Bernie had dropped out after his heart attack and threw all his support at Warren? she probably woulda been destroyed because sexism but interesting to think about.

chum1 · « **Reply #6529 on:** March 06, 2020, 01:09:02 PM »

https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/1235965156024291330

Spracne · « **Reply #6530 on:** March 06, 2020, 01:26:30 PM »

Quote from: _33 on March 06, 2020, 12:10:05 PM

I can’t tell if you guys are joking about the dictator stuff.

That was really head scratching to me, too. Some of you people are really unhinged. Reminds me of that bet TBT made and then backed out of regarding whether Trump would surrender power peacefully if voted out of office.

chum1 · « **Reply #6531 on:** March 06, 2020, 01:33:11 PM »

Quote from: Spracne on March 06, 2020, 01:26:30 PM

Quote from: _33 on March 06, 2020, 12:10:05 PM
I can’t tell if you guys are joking about the dictator stuff.
That was really head scratching to me, too. Some of you people are really unhinged. Reminds me of that bet TBT made and then backed out of regarding whether Trump would surrender power peacefully if voted out of office.

It can't happen here. Someone will stop it. That stuff is for OTHER countries. We're special! USA! USA! USA!

K-S-U-Wildcats! · « **Reply #6532 on:** March 06, 2020, 01:34:17 PM »

Quote from: Kat Kid on March 06, 2020, 12:05:22 PM

Quote from: chum1 on March 06, 2020, 11:36:21 AM
Quote from: Kat Kid on March 06, 2020, 11:08:48 AM
When Trump rolls out the 2016 playbook...Hunter...Ukraine...Amtrak

No one will care.

lol ok

Who knows, but I think people will probably care. Biden's corrupt as hell. And he's going senile. And he doesn't excite the progressive base. The Dems are hoping that hatred for Trump will be enough to offset all of Biden's massive deficiencies as a candidate. It didn't work for Hillary, and I'm doubtful it'll work for Biden, either.

The DemsAndMediaButIRepeatMyself are also hoping to develop a consistent drumbeat narrative that'll stick against Trump through the entire election season, kinda like they used Iraq War and Katrina against GWB. Trump didn't get us into a war, and the Russia/Ukraine stuff fizzled, so now they're hoping to use Corona to the same purpose. I think that's a shame because this sort of hysteria is harmful to people and our economy, but it's definitely happening.

To be fair, I'm not saying the Corona hysteria is entirely politically motivated. Some concern is warranted. And we also live in a different age of communication where the near instaneous feedback loop can exponentially magnify any new fear into a full-fledged panic. Can you imagine Y2K if we had Twitter, Facebook, and Peak 24hr Cable News at the time?

steve dave · « **Reply #6533 on:** March 06, 2020, 01:59:26 PM »

Quote from: Kat Kid on March 06, 2020, 12:11:02 PM

Quote from: steve dave on March 06, 2020, 12:07:41 PM
Quote from: Kat Kid on March 06, 2020, 11:08:48 AM
When Trump rolls out the 2016 playbook and Biden is defending Hunter Biden getting a six figure no show job in Ukraine and an Amtrak job because he "likes trains" and Trump wins re-election, you guys can pull this back up.

What’s the better play kk? Run Bernie who just got his ass whipped in every single swing state?

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Which of these are swing states? North Carolina?

Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, and Virginia

+ Minnesota and Virginia

Kat Kid · « **Reply #6534 on:** March 06, 2020, 02:02:55 PM »

Quote from: steve dave on March 06, 2020, 01:59:26 PM

Quote from: Kat Kid on March 06, 2020, 12:11:02 PM
Quote from: steve dave on March 06, 2020, 12:07:41 PM
Quote from: Kat Kid on March 06, 2020, 11:08:48 AM
When Trump rolls out the 2016 playbook and Biden is defending Hunter Biden getting a six figure no show job in Ukraine and an Amtrak job because he "likes trains" and Trump wins re-election, you guys can pull this back up.

What’s the better play kk? Run Bernie who just got his ass whipped in every single swing state?

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Which of these are swing states? North Carolina?

Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, and Virginia

+ Minnesota and Virginia

last time Minnesota voted republican was 1952. Virginia is now 3 straight for Dems. These are not swing states.

K-S-U-Wildcats! · « **Reply #6535 on:** March 06, 2020, 02:07:23 PM »

I'd say MN is. VA is now true blue.

Kat Kid · « **Reply #6536 on:** March 06, 2020, 02:10:55 PM »

Quote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 06, 2020, 02:07:23 PM

I'd say MN is. VA is now true blue.

The last time Minnesota voted for a Republican president was 1972.

edit---'72

chum1 · « **Reply #6537 on:** March 06, 2020, 02:12:34 PM »

There are traditional swing states and there are 2016 Trump states that can be flipped. There's a lot of overlap, but aren't we mostly interested in the latter here?

Kat Kid · « **Reply #6538 on:** March 06, 2020, 02:21:01 PM »

Quote from: chum1 on March 06, 2020, 02:12:34 PM

There are traditional swing states and there are 2016 Trump states that can be flipped. There's a lot of overlap, but aren't we mostly interested in the latter here?

Which states are you talking about. I think Arizona could be flipped with strong Latino turnout. But, I think the Midwest is obviously necessary to flip back to even have a chance. Florida seems like a fool's errand to me, but I guess could be competitive.

chum1 · « **Reply #6539 on:** March 06, 2020, 02:32:05 PM »

Quote from: Kat Kid on March 06, 2020, 02:21:01 PM

Quote from: chum1 on March 06, 2020, 02:12:34 PM
There are traditional swing states and there are 2016 Trump states that can be flipped. There's a lot of overlap, but aren't we mostly interested in the latter here?

Which states are you talking about. I think Arizona could be flipped with strong Latino turnout. But, I think the Midwest is obviously necessary to flip back to even have a chance. Florida seems like a fool's errand to me, but I guess could be competitive.

I was thinking of MI and PA as blue states that Trump won, but on second thought maybe those would be considered traditional swing states.

2016 Florida vote was 49.0% to 47.8%. 2020 polls are dead even.

8manpick · « **Reply #6540 on:** March 06, 2020, 02:43:09 PM »

Quote from: Kat Kid on March 06, 2020, 11:08:48 AM

When Trump rolls out the 2016 playbook and Biden is defending Hunter Biden getting a six figure no show job in Ukraine and an Amtrak job because he "likes trains" and Trump wins re-election, you guys can pull this back up.

None of this is anywhere near as disqualifying as being an admitted socialist.

sys · « **Reply #6541 on:** March 06, 2020, 02:44:32 PM »

states, from most 2020 swingey to so unswingey i'm not going to type it out: arizona, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, north carolina, florida, minnesota, texas, maine, georgia, new hampshire, nevada, colorado, iowa, virginia...

chum1 · « **Reply #6542 on:** March 06, 2020, 02:59:01 PM »

Quote from: sys on March 06, 2020, 02:44:32 PM

states, from most 2020 swingey to so unswingey i'm not going to type it out: arizona, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, north carolina, florida, minnesota, texas, maine, georgia, new hampshire, nevada, colorado, iowa, virginia...

What's that based on? How is Arizona most 2020 swingy?

Kat Kid · « **Reply #6543 on:** March 06, 2020, 03:03:59 PM »

Quote from: sys on March 06, 2020, 02:44:32 PM

states, from most 2020 swingey to so unswingey i'm not going to type it out: arizona, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, north carolina, florida, minnesota, texas, maine, georgia, new hampshire, nevada, colorado, iowa, virginia...

maine has the weird electoral vote thingy but if you are talking about the whole state don't type it out.

sys · « **Reply #6544 on:** March 06, 2020, 03:05:46 PM »

Quote from: Kat Kid on March 06, 2020, 03:03:59 PM

maine has the weird electoral vote thingy but if you are talking about the whole state don't type it out.

i was looking back at my list and thinking i should move it up, actually. clinton won by 3%.

sys · « **Reply #6545 on:** March 06, 2020, 03:06:57 PM »

Quote from: chum1 on March 06, 2020, 02:59:01 PM

What's that based on? How is Arizona most 2020 swingy?

just my estimate/guess as to which state is closest to 50:50.

mocat · « **Reply #6546 on:** March 06, 2020, 03:26:49 PM »

sys what is your estimate/guess on TX

steve dave · « **Reply #6547 on:** March 06, 2020, 03:32:33 PM »

Texas would be the most lmao of swings. Not that it couldn’t happen lmao, but most lmao when it did.

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sys · « **Reply #6548 on:** March 06, 2020, 03:36:48 PM »

Quote from: mocat on March 06, 2020, 03:26:49 PM

sys what is your estimate/guess on TX

trump +4 or 5 if dems don't contest there. trump +1 or 2 if they do.

Spracne · « **Reply #6549 on:** March 06, 2020, 03:37:29 PM »

Quote from: steve dave on March 06, 2020, 03:32:33 PM

Texas would be the most lmao of swings. Not that it couldn’t happen lmao, but most lmao when it did.

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It won't happen in 2020, but Texas is turning purpler as (a) more outsiders move here, and (b) the population continues to consolidate in the major urban centers.