The DACA masterpiece

[LickNeckey]

no fence 

i did use to own a fence building company to take money from racists tho

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

 
Good one

[LickNeckey]

that is fair not all of my customers were racist (one builder I worked for prolly was tho)

[sys]

good job, senate.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stancollender/2018/02/08/this-budget-deal-may-be-the-end-of-the-house-freedom-caucus/#5d1538466556

[puniraptor]

good job, senate.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stancollender/2018/02/08/this-budget-deal-may-be-the-end-of-the-house-freedom-caucus/#5d1538466556

like k-s-u-w always says, nothing washes down a trillion dollar tax cut like a 300 billion dollar spending bill

[catastrophe]

I wonder how many people who oppose the wall have fenced in backyards and vice versa

I thought this might #trigger a few libtards, but 

Stay out of my yard, but not my country 

Have you stopped to think about how many people have fences between their neighbors’ yards but give their neighbors the keys to their house?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Ok, putting everyone’s opinions on immigration aside, can anyone explain to me the political strategy behind what McConnell is doing in the Senate? I don’t get it.

Seems to me he is either (a) doing this whole thing for show and expecting it to implode (unlikely), or (b) setting this up for a Gang of 8 style bill to pass the Senate, only to be rejected by the House (more likely). Both options seem like really terrible politics. I don’t see anything coming out of this process that even remotely resembles Trump’s proposal, or a proposal that could pass the House.

So what am I missing? Seriously, if anybody thinks they understand politics, let me know what’s going on here. Talking politics only at this point - not policy.

[star seed 7]

What is he doing?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/372752-mcconnell-immigration-bill-wont-be-starting-point-for-senate-debate

He is going to have an open debate for a week without any base bill. Then send everyone home for recess to face their constituents. He says “whoever gets to 60 votes wins.”

This strikes me as uncharacteristically generous to Democrats - all they need to get is a handful of open-borders Pubs to join them to send a Gang of 8 style bill to the House, placing the blame squarely on the GOP when the House rebels.

I’m just trying to understand the politics of it. I don’t think he’s a fool, and I can’t imagine he would intentionally be trying to sabotage Trump and the GOP by alienating their base heading into elections.

Anybody think they know what his strategy is?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Mitch promised the immigration debate to get the democrats to re-open the government. I don't know what he expects to get out of the debate, but it's good that he's at least having one. He also really wouldn't need that many republican votes in the house to pass an immigration reform that the vast majority of Americans see as a good thing. I think there is a good chance of some form of DACA amnesty passing. There probably won't be a path to citizenship for as many people as Donald said he wanted, but these people will get to stay legally.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I agree he’s keeping his promise, but he wouldn’t do that if he thought it would work to the GOP’s disadvantage.

DACA amnesty without wall funding and meaningful immigration reforms would seriously alienate the base heading into midterms. The GOP would be better off doing nothing. That can’t be the play.

[Rage Against the McKee]

The biggest disaster scenario for the GOP would be deporting all of the DACA people. They may lose some of their base if they don't get wall funding, but deporting about 800,000 law-abiding people with jobs will not go well at all for them.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

The biggest disaster scenario for the GOP would be deporting all of the DACA people. They may lose some of their base if they don't get wall funding, but deporting about 800,000 law-abiding people with jobs will not go well at all for them.

This isn’t a choice between amnesty and deportation. Let’s try a different tack: How is this current approach better for GOP politically than teeing up Trump’s bill and putting the onus on the Dems to either support it or filibuster it?

[Rage Against the McKee]

The biggest disaster scenario for the GOP would be deporting all of the DACA people. They may lose some of their base if they don't get wall funding, but deporting about 800,000 law-abiding people with jobs will not go well at all for them.

This isn’t a choice between amnesty and deportation. Let’s try a different tack: How is this current approach better for GOP politically than teeing up Trump’s bill and putting the onus on the Dems to either support it or filibuster it?

If the dems don't support that bill, the republicans might end up having to deport the DACA people.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

The biggest disaster scenario for the GOP would be deporting all of the DACA people. They may lose some of their base if they don't get wall funding, but deporting about 800,000 law-abiding people with jobs will not go well at all for them.

This isn’t a choice between amnesty and deportation. Let’s try a different tack: How is this current approach better for GOP politically than teeing up Trump’s bill and putting the onus on the Dems to either support it or filibuster it?

If the dems don't support that bill, the republicans might end up having to deport the DACA people.

First, DACA expiring does not necessarily mean deportation. Second, I think your scenario would be far more damaging for the Dems. Tightening immigration and DACA amnesty are both popular. If the Dems opposes a bill that did both, it would demonstrate that the Dems cared more about preserving open borders than they do about the Dreamers. Trump’s proposal put the Dems in a box. McConnell’s approach seems to let them out of it and either puts the blame on the GOP when it fails or alienates the GOP base when it passes.

I’m not trying to be argumentative, and I’m not trying to argue policy. I’m trying to understand what McConnell is doing politically.

[Rage Against the McKee]

After the campaign that Trump ran to get elected, there is absolutely no way that anyone would be able to convince the typical voting American that deportations were actually the democrats' fault. It makes a lot of sense for the republicans to fix this before it comes to that.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

After the campaign that Trump ran to get elected, there is absolutely no way that anyone would be able to convince the typical voting American that deportations were actually the democrats' fault. It makes a lot of sense for the republicans to fix this before it comes to that.

Juat can’t see it, politically. Trump had the Dems right where he wanted them with his proposed compromise. His approval rating jumped after the SOTU, and his immigration plan was a centerpiece of it. I’m not trying to be argumentative, but you’re not presenting a compelling explanation as to why McConnell’s approach is better politically.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I don't know, K-S-U. McConnell doesn't strike me as having any real principles beyond political expediency, so he must really believe the republicans have to pass some form of DACA. I don't see any other explanation.

[star seed 7]

Deporting daca kids is worst case scenario for Republicans. The pr hit will be massive. Only hardcore racists are in favor of it, so not surprising that kdub thinks no one will blame Republicans

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

The more I think about it, you may be on to something about McConnell keeping a promise. He’s an old school Senator who is disinclined to break from senate norms or to break promises to his colleagues. He only nuked the filibuster on judicial appointments when the Dems (stupidly) forced him to on Gorsuch.

So maybe he’s taking a calculated risk that he can keep the promise he made to Chucky (he promised them this open debate in exchange for them giving up their gov shutdown) without that debate resulting in 60 votes for a Gang of 8 style bill. He then sends everyone home to be screamed at, and then after recess says “we had an open debate, we listened to our constituents, and here is the compromise.” Puts Trump plan on the table and Dems back in a bind.

That kinda maybe makes sense.

[gatoveintisiete]

sounds to me like the daca folks and Dems need to apply some pressure to the 'crats to vote for Trumps deal 

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

There is no Trump deal on the table currently. It's a blank slate, supposedly. That's my confusion.

[catastrophe]

I think it is just keeping his promise, plain and simple.  Democrats were ready to hold up the government but are finally starting to get what they want (more spending in the long term budget bill and an open discussion on DACA).  Republicans will be in a pretty tight bind if Democrats stick to the line of a clean DACA bill (as they should).  What would be amazing though is if we could get a good DACA plan along with some measures that actually solve some of our current issues with illegal immigration (like e-verify, easier path to legal immigration, crack down on employers trying to hire illegals under the table to avoid minimum wage/taxes) rather than building a stupid wall.

[MakeItRain]

Deporting daca kids is worst case scenario for Republicans. The pr hit will be massive. Only hardcore racists are in favor of it, so not surprising that kdub thinks no one will blame Republicans

The Republican party lost its last true moderate leader the day of Obama's inauguration. The direction of the party isn't one where being blamed for deporting 800,000 people matters at all. We're seeing it now with ICE detaining and deporting academics and working professionals who have been here for generations, people don't care, there's no consequence for anyone.

I really don't think we'll see any bill at all. Also keeping the dreamers here without a path to citizenship doesn't make a bit of sense.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Politico shares my confusion