The DACA masterpiece

[8manpick]

So, RE: A wall preventing immigration

I have never crossed the border into Mexico, but can't anyone who holds a valid passport (generally, I'm sure there are exceptions) come into the United States by car, plane, or whatever?  Just book a RT flight to LA, tell the DHS agent that you are here to go to Disney World and have a return flight in a week.  Once they are across the border, if they want to find a way to disappear and stay in the country permanently, couldn't they do that just as effectively as anyone who had walked across into the New Mexican desert?  What exactly is the wall going to stop?

[star seed 7]

The rules regarding Americans going into Mexico and Mexicans going into US are very different

Mexicans need a visa or entry permit

[8manpick]

Interesting, how about Canadians?

[Phil Titola]

The rules regarding Americans going into Mexico and Mexicans going into US are very different

Mexicans need a visa or entry permit

Wonder if we'll start seeing more countries requiring visas if US citizens want to enter their country due to Trump's dumbassery...can't say I know why a country requires visitors to get visas except to vet them and ensure they leave.

[sonofdaxjones]

All Americans, not only in the States most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens. In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.

[sonofdaxjones]

We have to send a clear message, just because your child gets across the border, that doesn’t mean the child gets to stay,” the former secretary of state said. “So, we don’t want to send a message that is contrary to our laws or will encourage more children to make that dangerous journey.”

[star seed 7]

Interesting, how about Canadians?

canada, australia, and EU countries have reciprocal visa waivers with the US

[sonofdaxjones]

"I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think you have to control your borders."

[wetwillie]

chillary!

[star seed 7]

but hillary 

[sonofdaxjones]

We’ve got to do several things and I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants.

[sonofdaxjones]

In his first two years, newly appointed Director of the Office of Homeland Security Tom Ridge expanded the purview of his department to include an immigration enforcement plan that sought to achieve a “100% removal rate” of the undocumented population in the United States by seeing to the drafting of a document that came to shape the next 15 years, “ENDGAME Office of Detention and Removal Strategic Plan.” At the time, the Immigration and Naturalization Service (later broken up into the Citizenship and Immigration Services, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and Customs and Border Protection) had approximately 26,000 agents and $4.9 billion. It was an enormous leap from when ICE was previously housed within Department of Justice but nothing like what it grew to be today.

Instead of reversing that architecture and disavowing that plan, President Obama turbocharged it. To pay for the ballooning enforcement-first approach, the budget for immigration enforcement grew 300 percent from the resources given at the time of its founding under Bush to $18 billion annually, more than all other federal law-enforcement agencies’ budget combined.

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-deportation-machine-obama-built-for-president-trump/

[bucket]

Welcome back, Dax! 

[Institutional Control]

Dax is unhinged


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[CHONGS]

The ascendency of jag in the pit has been pretty delightful.

[star seed 7]

I really want whisker biscuit to get down here

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Pres delivered a marvelous speech on immigration. Some excerpts....

All Americans are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public services they use impose burdens on our taxpayers.

When I see Mexican flags waving at pro-immigration demonstrations, I sometimes feel a flush of patriotic resentment. When I’m forced to use a translator to communicate with the guy fixing my car, I feel a certain frustration.

Bravo Mr. President.

He didn't seriously say that did he?

What a miserable piece of crap

I find it hard to believe the President has had to personally get his car fixed at any point in the last 3 decades.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. That was presidents Clinton and Obama.

[steve dave]

ksu-dub destroys both lib and dlew in epic set them up and knock them down fashion

[gatoveintisiete]

  kdub, 

[star seed 7]

I stand by my post

[catastrophe]

Sorry, I should have been more clear. That was presidents Clinton and Obama.

lol, nice try but I think I found your source (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/455772/democrats-immigration-beliefs-sign-increased-extremism) and it looks like the Bill Clinton quote was from FAKE NEWS CNN.

And Dlew's comment literally applies to any president, although it looks like Obama wrote that second quote before he was actually president, so it makes more sense.  Either way, it's a bit disingenuous not to mention Obama wrote that first line in order to make a point that such "patriotic resentment" does not justify denial of rights and opportunities to immigrants (the opposite of what Trump wants to do).

[catastrophe]

Thank you for posting a legit source, JAG. Of course you understand my hesitation to believe the previous one.

I still don’t understand why you guys think liberals (or even independents like me) need to defend statements like this. Bill Clinton deserved a lot of criticism for several policies put in place during his administration. I don’t think Trump has had any original ideas since his campaign, so it’s no surprise Trump’s policy toward immigration is influenced by what the rhetoric was in 1995.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Thank you for posting a legit source, JAG. Of course you understand my hesitation to believe the previous one.

I still don’t understand why you guys think liberals (or even independents like me) need to defend statements like this. Bill Clinton deserved a lot of criticism for several policies put in place during his administration. I don’t think Trump has had any original ideas since his campaign, so it’s no surprise Trump’s policy toward immigration is influenced by what the rhetoric was in 1995.

Lighten up. Just having a little fun.

[Rage Against the McKee]

The Clinton quotes really do a good job of showing that the republicans are about 20 years behind on social issues.

[sonofdaxjones]

The Clinton quotes really do a good job of showing that the republicans are about 20 years behind on social issues.

Yet it was Obama who put deportation on steroids, in a series of maneuvers and policy decisions that were as contrary as his eff'd up foreign policy.