The Last Jedi discusso WITH SPOILERS

[mocat]

the leia space float 

the rey-to-kylo lightsaber toss into the eyeball of that red dude 

dreadnoughts 

not enough screen time for Finn and Benicio

the rey talking to kylo over long distance scenes worked pretty well imo

i guess we'll never know where snoak came from?

rey's parents were nobodies?    pretty sure she is a kenobi

did that kid at the end use the force to grab his broom?

thoughts?

[mocat]

the casino part was not good. Rian had to cut about 45-60 mins from his first cut and i'm guessing that's where most of it was axed, because the part that was left IN the movie felt rushed/forced. if the director's cut comes out i bet there is some good stuff with Theroux.

laura dern was fine, and she stole Idris' move from Prometheus and it worked just as well this time

[kso_FAN]

Kenobi was pretty much a nobody by the time Luke met him. I think that was Kylo trying to manipulate.

Yes, force kid at the end and will become part of the new resistance.

I liked Benicio. I also really liked Finn. I also watched the Circle last night and couldn't quit thinking it was Finn in that movie.

[mocat]

Kenobi was pretty much a nobody by the time Luke met him. I think that was Kylo trying to manipulate.

good point. her parents being downgrades does not mean one of them couldn't have been a kenobi

[Cire]

Hated the whole casino sub plot.  BUT the force kid with the broom had the ring that rose gave him so that may be important.

Also think that kylo lied/didn't really know who rey's parents were. 

Kylo is a "somebody" who killed his past.  He want's rey to think she is a nobody that should also kill her past.

I think she is/should be a somebody that will embrace her past.

that would fit into the balance theme.

[mocat]

oh yeah, can we take 3PO out back and put him down yet? good grief

[OK_Cat]

I think Kylo was just rough ridin' with her. Her parents are probably important and will be revealed next movie.

The whole movie felt like they had a lot of good ideas, put them all in a bucket, shook the bucket, and then dumped all of the ideas out and that was the order. The storytelling sucked.


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[OK_Cat]

I do enjoy that Kylo and Rey and mirror images of each other and are even when it comes to powers.


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[Tobias]

i hope rey's parents being nobodies turns out to be the case, tbh

space leia was lol bad.  poor ackbar was just a poof.  not sure why snoke replaced the royal guard with power rangers?

enjoyed luke in this - the whole astral projection / emo kylo rage-fighting ghosts seemed perfect story-wise.

hux and kylo, how does anything get done?

[Phil Titola]

I liked the casino scene....although it did feel forced.

I have no idea if this can be true but I feel like Rey and Kylo are siblings....the talking to each other and then the next scene is Leia and Luke talking to each other made me feel like they were trying to tell everybody that

The shot where Luke is walking out of the cave and the ATATs in the background

I heard some didn't like all the comedy...I liked it and didn't feel like it was too much.

I feel like the didn't enhance the story much....but overall I liked it.

[kso_FAN]

I think part of the disappointment is Star Wars overload. We used to have to wait 3 years between these things. Now its 2 years with the special Star Wars story in between.

I loved the Dreadnaught things and the various ways of destroying them. The bomber thing was pretty cool.

At first I was a little weird with the Leia in space thing, but when she came back I was pretty whatever.

I really liked the Kylo/Rey talking to each other things.

I also liked Luke basically acting like Yoda towards Rey.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

All right, so since we've got a spoiler thread, what in the purple haired eff was that all about?

So the FO can track the Resistance through hyperspace. But no explanation of what they were tracking (I thought it was Leia's ring). Then we're treated to this slow motion chase plot with the narrative contrivance that the Resistance ships are faster because they're lighter, but they're running out of fuel. Okaaaaay.

But not to worry. Finn, who is going to travel through hyperspace in an escape pod (wtf?) to find Rey, just happens to run into this rando chick who totally figures out the hyperspace tracking thing in 5 seconds. Then they talk to that weird yoda knockoff who tells them they have to go on a Quest to find the Ring of Power, Sword of Truth, fill in whatever video game nonsense you want.

So then they hop in a ship and off they go. Which begs the question, if it's that easy to just skip town on the FO.... why the hell didn't the rest of the Resistance split up in other ships?! Again, the FO could only track one.

Oh that's right, because purple haired Laura Dern and Leia have a Secret Plan that they can't tell anyone about. Because plot convenience. A plan that amounted to using a Klingon "cloaking device" (not even shitting you) to sneak away to the one planet in their vicinity, which the FO was totally just gonna overlook.

Meanwhile, Finn and rando asian chick are at the casino. After some weird class resentment monologue from R.A.C., they get locked up for illegal parking (yes, this happened), and just happen to be put in a cell with a guy who can open cell doors. :shootmenow:

I could go on, but this is making my head hurt.

Everything else I liked. But the whole middle act with the Resistance was a train wreck.

[mocat]

consensus on VIII seems to be that the plot is too busy, causing the movie to sag a bit in the middle.

but i mean remember how much the prequels suck? like, the script and the acting and the characters? at least we can all agree that those incredibly important fundamental movie things are awesome again.

[cfbandyman]

I kinda enjoyed how they kept effing with you thinking how they were going to get rid of Leia (oh she got shot out in space, nope JK lolz, oh she is going to stay behind on the ship instead of the new lady and was like nope, you take it bitch, I'm GTFOing out of here)

I hated the slow space chase, like, it seemed super forced/contrived way of setting up the main drama crux of the story and I think it kept me from truly enjoying the movie. It just felt like a James Bond Villain-esque way of giving them an arbitrary amount of time to stay alive w/o actually sending a bunch of fighters in to finish them off (and I don't care if they would be "out of range" of protection, for eff's sake Ren's attach nearly killed Leia and it took out the bridge Just, ugh).

Loved the dreadnought destruction scene

Really, really loved the hyperspace jump kamikaze scene (when it went totally silent and the lights/spray of the ships  )

The casino part didn't bother me that much, it was a little forced but I think what bothered me more was like oh, we got this rando guy instead to help code break into Snoke's ship

Snoke went out like a bitch, guess we won't know anything about him

The porg stuff was fine, not enough to bother

I thought overall the acting, directing, and main plot was pretty good, glad it went it's own path, and while it had overtones of other star wars movies it'll didn't follow the same freaking route.

[cfbandyman]

consensus on VIII seems to be that the plot is too busy, causing the movie to sag a bit in the middle.

but i mean remember how much the prequels suck? like, the script and the acting and the characters? at least we can all agree that those incredibly important fundamental movie things are awesome again.

It is decidedly better than any of the prequels. But for me this movie is a great house built on a shitty foundation. If they had better reasons/less "convenient" plot devices to create all the drama, this movie would've kicked some series ass, Instead it's good, not great.

But as I said before, I am glad they went away from blowing up another death star, and I am glad it wasn't a ESB redux.

[_33]

So did Luke end up good or bad?  Seems like that's what people were talking about leading up to this one but now no one is talking about it.  Just curious.

[mocat]

So did Luke end up good or bad?  Seems like that's what people were talking about leading up to this one but now no one is talking about it.  Just curious.

he kind of was bad there for a sec but his acting got like infinity x better so overall he's still good imo

[kso_FAN]

Also, these guys are great.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Mark Hammill was really good. Kinda surprised he hasn't done more on camera.

[Mrs. Gooch]

1. The space float was too cheesy.
2. I kept thinking that Benicio was going to turn out to be the real codebreaker sicne MAz never gave his name (like he lost his lapel pin in a bet to Justin Theroux) but nope.
3. I think that Kylo THINKS that Rey's parents were nobody but maybe they really are SOMEBODY. That flashback in TFA when Rey was left on Jakku, she is watching someone fly off planet - not staying to die in a Papuer's grave on Jakku like Kylo said. (Maybe Rey could still be a reincarnation of Anakin or maybe a new beginning to a line of force sensitives - like Anakin was) I mean Luke was told his father was dead so being told your parents are nobodies doesn't hold that much weight.
4. So no blowing up a death star, but there STILL was a mini-death star.
5. I liked the Kylo/Rey teaming up fight; but then at the end he didn't really turn to the light.
6. The biggest disappointment to me is reading that there actually is no underlying backstory for Rey given to Rian Johnson when he wrote this movie. So her parentage hasn't really even been determined yet.

[mocat]

Mark Hammill was really good. Kinda surprised he hasn't done more on camera.

yeah

[Mrs. Gooch]

7. I liked the jokes. Did not like the annoying guy in the theater with the annoying laugh who laughed too loudly at ever-y-single joke.
8. I hope you guys understand the whole overall lesson here is don't question your female boss.

[cfbandyman]

So did Luke end up good or bad?  Seems like that's what people were talking about leading up to this one but now no one is talking about it.  Just curious.

he kind of was bad there for a sec but his acting got like infinity x better so overall he's still good imo

IDK if bad, just in total shutdown mode for being upset at himself for failing Ren. But yeah, Hammill is easily tops of the acting for the movie. He played his part to perfection.

[ew2x4]

I really liked it. There were a couple things I hated, though. Finn and Poe's story was awful and completely useless. I wish they explained more about Snoke.

Anyways, the other stuff people are complaining about didn't really bother me.

People seem to hate Rey's parent reveal. I loved it. There were only two acceptable reveals. 1) Rey's parents are nobodys or 2) The empire tried cloning jedi's from Luke's arm and she's one of the offspring. This was all about separating from light/dark and all of the bloodlines. Something long over due.

[ew2x4]

So did Luke end up good or bad?  Seems like that's what people were talking about leading up to this one but now no one is talking about it.  Just curious.

He became a gray jedi. Basically someone who walks the line between the light and the dark.