LHC Bill Snyder saved Kansas State University

[Whisker Biscuit]

Do people know what airports are? MHK's location isn't as big of an issue as it was 25 years ago.

Now, the arctic temperatures of the flint hills, those will always be at play.

I love the airport argument!  Most players will generally fly their immediate and extended family in for game days now that we have a nice airport with flights and such.  Don't forget facilities!   

[CHONGS]

Curious, how do you get a top 35 rating by using post season accolades? You just counting up All Americans + All Conference?

[PIPE]

Will the cats have the last ranked class?  KU currently has a better class than us. Let that sink in.....

[Shooter Jones]

Will the cats have the last ranked class?  KU currently has a better class than us. Let that sink in.....

dude, K-State is 14-14 in conference and 15-18 against P5's the last 3 years (dec of '14), they don't need to recruit better.

[ChiComCat]

Jordy Nelson exists so all walk-ons should be assumed to be second rounders

[Whisker Biscuit]

Jordy Nelson exists so all walk-ons should be assumed to be second rounders

In my mind Jordy is a recruiting miss.  Certainly missed identifying his talent or he would have been offered a scholarship.

[DQ12]

i don't like this whiskerbiscuit guy. 

If your goal is to bring in players that perform such that the team is successful and players obtain post season recognition, I'm not sure how you can argue that we aren't doing just fine.

My goal is to compete for conference titles every once in a while, and the last time we even sniffed the conference championship race was 2014, a year we got completely out-classed by TCU and Baylor, the two legitimate contenders. 

[Whisker Biscuit]

Curious, how do you get a top 35 rating by using post season accolades? You just counting up All Americans + All Conference?

I'm not sure why this is so difficult, i'm guessing i'm just getting trolled.  Regardless, the web nerds ranked our 2013 recruiting class dead last in the Big 12.  The 2012 class was ranked 9th our of 10, slightly ahead of KU.   Is that truly reflective of our talent and if so, how do we get 4 players on the All Big 12 first team (more than our "share")?  Or should the quality of our recruiting efforts be measured AFTER the completion of eligibility for the recruited players?  Which is a more accurate reflection of ability to "recruit" talent?

I guess validation by web nerds is what is clearly the most important thing to you guys.  It's just not to me and thankfully not to Bill. 

[CHONGS]

Ok but you said top 35.  I was curious how you got that number.

[Whisker Biscuit]

Ok but you said top 35.  I was curious how you got that number.

Rectal extraction.  Not sure how you would rank the class 4-5 years after...much easier when the webnerds assign a "number grade" to each recruit based on their arbitrary system.   Would be an interesting exercise.

[MadCat]

Top 135 is probably a safe bet. 

[Shooter Jones]

I think I like WB.

He's dumber than all crap, but bless his K-State loving heart.

[kso_FAN]

The way Snyder has operated is no secret. People have been writing about it consistently during 2.0. It is what it is.

http://www.espn.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/119830/bill-snyders-unconventional-recruiting-strategy-continues-to-defy-and-win

http://www.espn.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/89520/kansas-state-walk-on-u

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2140118-how-college-footballs-most-underrated-coach-keeps-kansas-state-relevant

[Whisker Biscuit]

I think I like WB.

He's dumber than all crap, but bless his K-State loving heart.

Your validation completes me      Friends? 

[CHONGS]

The way Snyder has operated is no secret. People have been writing about it consistently during 2.0. It is what it is.

http://www.espn.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/119830/bill-snyders-unconventional-recruiting-strategy-continues-to-defy-and-win

http://www.espn.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/89520/kansas-state-walk-on-u

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2140118-how-college-footballs-most-underrated-coach-keeps-kansas-state-relevant

Yes.  Every strategy has is strengths and weaknesses.  I have said in other threads (I think) that the weakness with this strategy is that we don't necessarily have the
1) depth to withstand a full season of college football and still compete at the highest level at the end of the year
2) playmaker(s) who can overcome bad/high risk playcalls/situations/mistakes made by coaches and teammates   

It was hard for me to think we had any thing close to a playoff caliber team this year because we didn't have that nameable NFL talent (and as it ended up we were clearly not). I should go back, but I imagine that every playoff team (and then before that every team in the BCS champ game) had at least 1 NFL caliber player in every group (OL ,DL, DB, LB, Skill positions) if not more.

For (1) that's where we will likely never get on the same level as the big P5 schools.  It's unlikely we can ever build that depth because we lack the resources and the talent density to do so.  That (plus having the best coaches in the sport) is what makes Alabama/Ohios State machines, and it lets programs like UF and Michigan recover quickly from coaching disasters. But if we do want to win the conference again or make the playoffs we will need a combination of (2), great coaching, and quite a bit of luck.

[cfbandyman]

The way Snyder has operated is no secret. People have been writing about it consistently during 2.0. It is what it is.

http://www.espn.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/119830/bill-snyders-unconventional-recruiting-strategy-continues-to-defy-and-win

http://www.espn.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/89520/kansas-state-walk-on-u

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2140118-how-college-footballs-most-underrated-coach-keeps-kansas-state-relevant

Yes.  Every strategy has is strengths and weaknesses.  I have said in other threads (I think) that the weakness with this strategy is that we don't necessarily have the
1) depth to withstand a full season of college football and still compete at the highest level at the end of the year
2) playmaker(s) who can overcome bad/high risk playcalls/situations/mistakes made by coaches and teammates   

It was hard for me to think we had any thing close to a playoff caliber team this year because we didn't have that nameable NFL talent (and as it ended up we were clearly not). I should go back, but I imagine that every playoff team (and then before that every team in the BCS champ game) had at least 1 NFL caliber player in every group (OL ,DL, DB, LB, Skill positions) if not more.

For (1) that's where we will likely never get on the same level as the big P5 schools.  It's unlikely we can ever build that depth because we lack the resources and the talent density to do so.  That (plus having the best coaches in the sport) is what makes Alabama/Ohios State machines, and it lets programs like UF and Michigan recover quickly from coaching disasters. But if we do want to win the conference again or make the playoffs we will need a combination of (2), great coaching, and quite a bit of luck.

We were very close to that in 2012 in terms of having a NFL player in each group (Lockett-WR, BJ/Lucas OL, AB -LB, Meshak was close on the DL, secondary would've been our biggest question mark but Malone/Chapman/One Y were very good) and CK was a great college QB.

I buy the Bama/tOSU/Michigan etc machine thing. But other schools can have a season like that every 5-10 years, and we are close to that. Luck wasn't on our side in 2012 for 1 game and it cost us the shot against a good but not great ND team.

[kso_FAN]

The way Snyder has operated is no secret. People have been writing about it consistently during 2.0. It is what it is.

http://www.espn.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/119830/bill-snyders-unconventional-recruiting-strategy-continues-to-defy-and-win

http://www.espn.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/89520/kansas-state-walk-on-u

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2140118-how-college-footballs-most-underrated-coach-keeps-kansas-state-relevant

Yes.  Every strategy has is strengths and weaknesses.  I have said in other threads (I think) that the weakness with this strategy is that we don't necessarily have the
1) depth to withstand a full season of college football and still compete at the highest level at the end of the year
2) playmaker(s) who can overcome bad/high risk playcalls/situations/mistakes made by coaches and teammates   

It was hard for me to think we had any thing close to a playoff caliber team this year because we didn't have that nameable NFL talent (and as it ended up we were clearly not). I should go back, but I imagine that every playoff team (and then before that every team in the BCS champ game) had at least 1 NFL caliber player in every group (OL ,DL, DB, LB, Skill positions) if not more.

For (1) that's where we will likely never get on the same level as the big P5 schools.  It's unlikely we can ever build that depth because we lack the resources and the talent density to do so.  That (plus having the best coaches in the sport) is what makes Alabama/Ohios State machines, and it lets programs like UF and Michigan recover quickly from coaching disasters. But if we do want to win the conference again or make the playoffs we will need a combination of (2), great coaching, and quite a bit of luck.

I agree with everything you said there.

[deputy dawg]

The recruits coming in the door are not the same as the players that are developed.  It was interesting that we placed 4 players on first team all conference, second only to Oklahoma.  Recruiting rankings don't impress me in the least.

Listening to the radio the other day (I know it's a different sport, but the comparison is still valid), it came out that Michael Jordan was ranked pretty low as a college recruit.  Like not even in the top 200 players.

[CHONGS]

It's not perfect, but if you include every team in college football I think you will find that recruiting rankings correlate quite well with winning (this has been shown several times).   It's not sole determiner, but it's more important than I think some people want to admit.

[star seed 7]

Idea:  genetically combine Bob stoops and and LHC Bill Snyder, hire the product as hc, sean st coach, Brent DC, and chip Kelly OC

Only tough decision is if we call "it" Bobby snyder or Billy stoops

[Rage Against the McKee]

We really should look into the feasibility of using NBAF to make our coaches and football players for us instead of curing cow aids.

[CHONGS]

Sob Soups.

[star seed 7]

We really should look into the feasibility of using NBAF to make our coaches and football players for us instead of curing cow aids.

Shooter Jones, you getting this? This is exactly the type of forward thinking our AD needs

[kso_FAN]

It's not perfect, but if you include every team in college football I think you will find that recruiting rankings correlate quite well with winning (this has been shown several times).   It's not sole determiner, but it's more important than I think some people want to admit.

You should do one of your charts with "recruiting rankings" or "number of 4/5 star recruits" compared to "wins". I'm fairly certain we would be an outlier.

[CHONGS]

I'm sure we are.