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Re: What Has Changed? Obama to Trump
« Reply #75 on: August 31, 2017, 10:22:17 PM »
This is a stupid thread. _33 can't possibly be this ignorant about the world around him. There isn't anyone who thinks at all this presidency resembles anything before it. For better or worse, it's exactly why people voted for this dude, they wanted something different. If people wanted the status quo we would be sitting with Hillary, Little Marco, or JEB!.

How dare you.  To be fair to me, I started this thread in June.  Trump has done a lot of stupid stuff since then.  But TBH I still don't think things are much different.  He's just the president, not a king.  You know what I mean MIR?

I don't know what you mean because the thing I've lodged a complaint against is an executive order. Everything he's done has been done without congress or the Supreme Court.

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« Reply #76 on: August 31, 2017, 10:26:41 PM »
What industry is he wiping out? I hope it's something that doesn't hurt me directly :ohno:

Actually two, summer camps and the seasonal tourism industry. Again, the J-1 visa program adds 300,000  workers each and every year. Where are another 300,000 employees going to appear from?

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« Reply #77 on: August 31, 2017, 10:55:54 PM »
Everybody knows you have to be from another country to work at Disney or a summer camp
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« Reply #78 on: September 01, 2017, 12:16:14 PM »
1. You don't have to be from another country, those businesses have to use international students to fill the positions.
2. There are a lot of industries who used J1 visa workers. Hotel workers, restaurants, nannies & au pairs. I've seen J1 visa workers on the Maine Turnpike. It is a good way to get skilled, temporary employees.

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Re: What Has Changed? Obama to Trump
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Re: What Has Changed? Obama to Trump
« Reply #80 on: September 01, 2017, 03:41:39 PM »
What industry is he wiping out? I hope it's something that doesn't hurt me directly :ohno:

The gang industry and the terrorist industry.  idk if this will hurt you or not
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« Reply #81 on: September 01, 2017, 04:10:16 PM »
1. You don't have to be from another country, those businesses have to use international students to fill the positions.
2. There are a lot of industries who used J1 visa workers. Hotel workers, restaurants, nannies & au pairs. I've seen J1 visa workers on the Maine Turnpike. It is a good way to get skilled, temporary employees.

What it is, is a good way to suppress wage growth, wouldn't have thought you would be in big business's camp on this.
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« Reply #82 on: September 01, 2017, 09:04:49 PM »
1. You don't have to be from another country, those businesses have to use international students to fill the positions.
2. There are a lot of industries who used J1 visa workers. Hotel workers, restaurants, nannies & au pairs. I've seen J1 visa workers on the Maine Turnpike. It is a good way to get skilled, temporary employees.

What it is, is a good way to suppress wage growth, wouldn't have thought you would be in big business's camp on this.

How do J1 visas suppress wage growth?

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« Reply #83 on: September 01, 2017, 10:04:19 PM »
When you artificially increase the supply of workers you suppress the demand (the wage level it takes to hire your workforce)
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Re: What Has Changed? Obama to Trump
« Reply #84 on: September 02, 2017, 01:07:59 AM »
You don't read well, do you?

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« Reply #85 on: September 02, 2017, 01:10:49 AM »
I guess not bud
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Re: What Has Changed? Obama to Trump
« Reply #86 on: September 02, 2017, 08:53:21 AM »
That explains why you seem to be confusing J1 visa holders with migrant workers.

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Re: What Has Changed? Obama to Trump
« Reply #87 on: September 02, 2017, 08:55:03 AM »
Die hard Trumper so are you really that surprised?

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« Reply #88 on: September 02, 2017, 09:44:45 AM »
That explains why you seem to be confusing J1 visa holders with migrant workers.

J1 visa holders work in America for pay right?
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Re: What Has Changed? Obama to Trump
« Reply #89 on: September 02, 2017, 10:40:28 AM »
MIR, you have gone the better part of a year without anyone having to call you a dumbass on the internet, why get back in the game now?
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« Reply #90 on: September 02, 2017, 01:03:59 PM »
That explains why you seem to be confusing J1 visa holders with migrant workers.

J1 visa holders work in America for pay right?

Correct. So the standard for suppressing the wage level is simply hiring someone who isn't an American citizen?

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Re: What Has Changed? Obama to Trump
« Reply #91 on: September 02, 2017, 01:05:02 PM »
MIR, you have gone the better part of a year without anyone having to call you a dumbass on the internet, why get back in the game now?

I'm sure you are filled with knowledge about J1 visas, you should school me.

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Re: What Has Changed? Obama to Trump
« Reply #92 on: September 02, 2017, 02:36:28 PM »
It's fun bbs'n when someone wades too far into the deep end

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« Reply #93 on: September 02, 2017, 03:44:17 PM »
That explains why you seem to be confusing J1 visa holders with migrant workers.

J1 visa holders work in America for pay right?

Correct. So the standard for suppressing the wage level is simply hiring someone who isn't an American citizen?

Pretty much, if the number of acceptable applicants for these jobs is less than the amount of jobs to be filled, the employers then have to compete for the workers with higher compensation ( more than min. Wage)
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Re: What Has Changed? Obama to Trump
« Reply #94 on: September 02, 2017, 03:48:55 PM »
We are talking about seasonal employment correct? At resorts and camps? Not like seasonal jobs that can turn to year round, correct?

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Re: What Has Changed? Obama to Trump
« Reply #95 on: September 02, 2017, 03:51:32 PM »
Can't you just hire college kids for the summer?
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Re: What Has Changed? Obama to Trump
« Reply #96 on: September 02, 2017, 03:55:01 PM »
Apparently not for slave labor rates, they also don't want pink hair, nose ring, tattoo, and in some cases black types.  This is a gross practice.
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Re: What Has Changed? Obama to Trump
« Reply #97 on: September 02, 2017, 03:56:20 PM »
Your dumbass is showing mocat
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Re: What Has Changed? Obama to Trump
« Reply #98 on: September 02, 2017, 04:25:46 PM »
Can't you just hire college kids for the summer?

Seriously? Of course, that makes up a majority of the work force that the J1 supplements, most J1 visa holders are also college students. Hiring international students is a significant pain in the ass, I'd rather scale them down. Contrary to what dumbass cat27 thinks, they cost more to hire than Americans. There are a litany of reasons why it's increasingly harder for college students to work the traditional summer job like us olds did. College students have many more school obligations in the summer than we did.

All of this is real in the weeds type of stuff the bottom line is "Buy American, Hire American" has nothing in it that will actually save any consequential amount of American jobs. It's jingoistic election rhetoric that is red meat for a particular segment of the population and nothing more. It is going to do more harm to American business than good.

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« Reply #99 on: September 02, 2017, 04:38:38 PM »
Suppressing wages with any type of addition to the workforce, all work visas, illegals, migrants etc. impacts all wages.  It's a market and is subject to the law of supply and demand.  These guys have just found a way to not have to compete at the expense of every wage earner in our economy
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