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Re: spring practice 17 tidbits, nuggets, and hearsay
« Reply #375 on: April 24, 2017, 09:52:58 PM »
We should Delton in for a series in the second quarter of each game where he runs our qb-battering ram set, and bring Thompson in for two minute offense.  There would be many benefits to this.

Are you high?

Sorry MIR, but I am for real.

Step back from your Ertz Heisman campaign, and you'll see it makes some sense.

It really doesn't.

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Re: spring practice 17 tidbits, nuggets, and hearsay
« Reply #376 on: April 24, 2017, 10:04:06 PM »
We should Delton in for a series in the second quarter of each game where he runs our qb-battering ram set, and bring Thompson in for two minute offense.  There would be many benefits to this.

Are you high?

Sorry MIR, but I am for real.

Step back from your Ertz Heisman campaign, and you'll see it makes some sense.

It wouldn't make sense whomever you plugged in as the starter, it's the dumbest thing you're ever said and that says a ton.

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Re: spring practice 17 tidbits, nuggets, and hearsay
« Reply #377 on: April 24, 2017, 10:46:11 PM »
We should Delton in for a series in the second quarter of each game where he runs our qb-battering ram set, and bring Thompson in for two minute offense.  There would be many benefits to this.

Are you high?

We tried the multiple QB thing before... it failed like a fat one-handed guy free scaling the Empire State Building.

Sorry MIR, but I am for real.

Step back from your Ertz Heisman campaign, and you'll see it makes some sense.

It wouldn't make sense whomever you plugged in as the starter, it's the dumbest thing you're ever said and that says a ton.


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Re: spring practice 17 tidbits, nuggets, and hearsay
« Reply #378 on: April 25, 2017, 07:54:37 AM »
I guess i can kind of see steffys logic.  Quit using ertz as a battering rambut i dont know if we will habe that problem with the bruisers we have at running back

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Re: spring practice 17 tidbits, nuggets, and hearsay
« Reply #379 on: April 25, 2017, 08:30:18 AM »
the defense will never see it coming, great idea STefFUy

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Re: spring practice 17 tidbits, nuggets, and hearsay
« Reply #380 on: April 25, 2017, 08:30:45 AM »
Ertz Number 1
Thompson number 2
Delton number 3

If Delton throws the ball during the season like he did last Saturday prepare to be giving 3 to 4 turnovers a game to the opposition every two weeks because the dude can't throw but he can run.

Could see Bill making him a triple option/wildcat guy but other than that he should probs ride the bench.

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Re: spring practice 17 tidbits, nuggets, and hearsay
« Reply #381 on: April 25, 2017, 08:33:37 AM »
I see this year more as a running back year as we don't really have to rely as much as ertz simply because we have Mike "manchild" McCoy and Alex Barnes under center. I think we seriously need someone who can throw and just switch running backs when we need to run.

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Re: spring practice 17 tidbits, nuggets, and hearsay
« Reply #382 on: April 25, 2017, 08:35:13 AM »
Also wtf was with the train horn after every touchdown. It has to stop guys, I don't want to be TCU

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Re: spring practice 17 tidbits, nuggets, and hearsay
« Reply #383 on: April 25, 2017, 09:02:36 AM »
Alright Greg, I've had enough. 

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Re: spring practice 17 tidbits, nuggets, and hearsay
« Reply #384 on: April 25, 2017, 09:05:05 AM »
I see this year more as a running back year as we don't really have to rely as much as ertz simply because we have Mike "manchild" McCoy and Alex Barnes under center. I think we seriously need someone who can throw and just switch running backs when we need to run.

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We will keep running with the QB. Our running backs are good, but you get an extra blocker with the QB run and I don't see us giving that up.

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Re: spring practice 17 tidbits, nuggets, and hearsay
« Reply #386 on: April 25, 2017, 01:08:56 PM »
We should Delton in for a series in the second quarter of each game where he runs our qb-battering ram set, and bring Thompson in for two minute offense.  There would be many benefits to this.

Are you high?

Sorry MIR, but I am for real.

Step back from your Ertz Heisman campaign, and you'll see it makes some sense.

It wouldn't make sense whomever you plugged in as the starter, it's the dumbest thing you're ever said and that says a ton.

We have three QB's with different skill sets.  My plan would allow us to take advantage of what each brings to the table.

Delton can be great in our QB run game.  So, let's give him a series in the second quarter.  This allows us to continue to run these plays and force opponents to prep for this, all while protecting Ertz (a huge concern).  Allowing Delton to "specialize" as our running QB would also allow him to get better at this (the assembly line/specialization concept).

Unless Ertz comes from surgery 3 times better than he was before, Thompson is a better passer.  Simply put, he has more zip.  Now, of course, Thompson won't be able to make the same reads and decisions that Ertz does.  But, in a two-minute drill, you basically have to throw out 7/8's of your playbook.  The defense knows what you are going to do....much of your success (or not) depends on having a QB who can make the required throws.  And, if Thompson was our #1 for this, he would get #1 reps for the two minute drill in practice, and (like Delton) would improve rapidly at this limited and specialized part of the game.

I will admit this is not conventional, but there are certain things about our situation that distinguish us from the typical situation in which coaches fart around with more than one quarterback.  First, we have dramatically different QB.  Most schools recruit the same type of QB that "fits" their system.  Second, when coaches play more than one QB, those QB are competing against each other to be the starter, which can lead to rifts.  That is not our situation.  Ertz is clearly the guy; captain, team leader, proven winner, etc..  Giving Delton a series and Thompson 0-2 series a game does not threaten that.  In fact, carving our a specific (and important) role for Delton and Thompson to play might have the opposite effect:  They are not "the guy," but they are not discouraged because they have an important role to play nonetheless.  Rather than creating a rift, it might help with buy-in from all of the team.  Third, Ertz has a serious history with injuries.  We have to limit his hits, particularly at the beginning of the year (when there is more to lose--in terms of playing time--with an injury).  Ertz himself knows what an injury risk he is....the reason is runs very deliberately and the reason he developed the stiff-arm was an almost instinctual reaction to wanting to keep people off his body (particularly his knees).

This really isn't that crazy of an idea, even if it is somewhat unconventional.  (Remember that the coaches kept talking last year about getting Delton a series, and they finally did that in the ISU game.)

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Re: spring practice 17 tidbits, nuggets, and hearsay
« Reply #387 on: April 25, 2017, 01:23:25 PM »
qb rotation sucks ass.  No thanks.

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Re: spring practice 17 tidbits, nuggets, and hearsay
« Reply #388 on: April 25, 2017, 01:47:49 PM »
Ertz Number 1
Thompson number 2
Delton number 3

(Scratches beard...)

I don't know.  I didn't see the game, but I listened to most of it and saw the highlights.  It looked like when Delton was playing within the offense and taking what was given to him, he had some nice passes that were on the money.  The TD to Zuber was really quite good.  I think that this was one of his first opportunities to get out there and push the limit a little bit.  We don't know what the coaches told him to do; maybe they told him to go out there and try to make something happen if he felt like it.  That gives him some tape to review over the summer.

I think when you let Delton swing it around a bit, in a no impact environment, it has a lot of benefits.  Klein has some good tape to review with Alex to say, "What didn't you see there?  Why didn't you look at the third receiver?  Why didn't you tuck it and go?" 

Do I think Thompson is the best option, long term?  Sure.  Next year?  Eh.  I'd let Delton and Thompson sit there as "OR" on the backup chart most of the year and let them knife each other a little bit in an intense competition.  In the event Ertz goes down, you start with Delton and pull him if he doesn't do well.

Now, if I'm being selfish, I'd say that in 2018, if Jesse doesn't decide to exercise his sixth year, Thompson probably wins that battle.  If Jesse exercises it, I'd put Skylar as your primary #2 and let Delton figure out what he wants to go do with his last season.  The ball is going into Thompson's hands in 2019 unless there's a significant injury, so there's no need to make a hard decision on him today.  Make him work for it.

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Re: spring practice 17 tidbits, nuggets, and hearsay
« Reply #389 on: April 25, 2017, 02:22:07 PM »
I think you think to much Pan and should just enjoy watching the cats

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Re: spring practice 17 tidbits, nuggets, and hearsay
« Reply #390 on: April 25, 2017, 02:36:40 PM »
We should Delton in for a series in the second quarter of each game where he runs our qb-battering ram set, and bring Thompson in for two minute offense.  There would be many benefits to this.

Are you high?

Sorry MIR, but I am for real.

Step back from your Ertz Heisman campaign, and you'll see it makes some sense.

It wouldn't make sense whomever you plugged in as the starter, it's the dumbest thing you're ever said and that says a ton.

We have three QB's with different skill sets.  My plan would allow us to take advantage of what each brings to the table.

Delton can be great in our QB run game.  So, let's give him a series in the second quarter.  This allows us to continue to run these plays and force opponents to prep for this, all while protecting Ertz (a huge concern).  Allowing Delton to "specialize" as our running QB would also allow him to get better at this (the assembly line/specialization concept).

Unless Ertz comes from surgery 3 times better than he was before, Thompson is a better passer.  Simply put, he has more zip.  Now, of course, Thompson won't be able to make the same reads and decisions that Ertz does.  But, in a two-minute drill, you basically have to throw out 7/8's of your playbook.  The defense knows what you are going to do....much of your success (or not) depends on having a QB who can make the required throws.  And, if Thompson was our #1 for this, he would get #1 reps for the two minute drill in practice, and (like Delton) would improve rapidly at this limited and specialized part of the game.

I will admit this is not conventional, but there are certain things about our situation that distinguish us from the typical situation in which coaches fart around with more than one quarterback.  First, we have dramatically different QB.  Most schools recruit the same type of QB that "fits" their system.  Second, when coaches play more than one QB, those QB are competing against each other to be the starter, which can lead to rifts.  That is not our situation.  Ertz is clearly the guy; captain, team leader, proven winner, etc..  Giving Delton a series and Thompson 0-2 series a game does not threaten that.  In fact, carving our a specific (and important) role for Delton and Thompson to play might have the opposite effect:  They are not "the guy," but they are not discouraged because they have an important role to play nonetheless.  Rather than creating a rift, it might help with buy-in from all of the team.  Third, Ertz has a serious history with injuries.  We have to limit his hits, particularly at the beginning of the year (when there is more to lose--in terms of playing time--with an injury).  Ertz himself knows what an injury risk he is....the reason is runs very deliberately and the reason he developed the stiff-arm was an almost instinctual reaction to wanting to keep people off his body (particularly his knees).

This really isn't that crazy of an idea, even if it is somewhat unconventional.  (Remember that the coaches kept talking last year about getting Delton a series, and they finally did that in the ISU game.)

Rotating qbs never work. It makes it almost impossible for either one to get into a rhythm. Ertz started getting more confidence/making better reads and the end of last year, and we saw how dangerous he can potentially be.

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Re: spring practice 17 tidbits, nuggets, and hearsay
« Reply #391 on: April 25, 2017, 02:42:24 PM »
stop getting trolled by steffy, quagmire

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Re: spring practice 17 tidbits, nuggets, and hearsay
« Reply #392 on: April 25, 2017, 04:02:40 PM »
Also wtf was with the train horn after every touchdown. It has to stop guys, I don't want to be TCU

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« Reply #393 on: April 25, 2017, 04:06:36 PM »
We should Delton in for a series in the second quarter of each game where he runs our qb-battering ram set, and bring Thompson in for two minute offense.  There would be many benefits to this.

Are you high?

Sorry MIR, but I am for real.

Step back from your Ertz Heisman campaign, and you'll see it makes some sense.

It wouldn't make sense whomever you plugged in as the starter, it's the dumbest thing you're ever said and that says a ton.

We have three QB's with different skill sets.  My plan would allow us to take advantage of what each brings to the table.

Delton can be great in our QB run game.  So, let's give him a series in the second quarter.  This allows us to continue to run these plays and force opponents to prep for this, all while protecting Ertz (a huge concern).  Allowing Delton to "specialize" as our running QB would also allow him to get better at this (the assembly line/specialization concept).

Unless Ertz comes from surgery 3 times better than he was before, Thompson is a better passer.  Simply put, he has more zip.  Now, of course, Thompson won't be able to make the same reads and decisions that Ertz does.  But, in a two-minute drill, you basically have to throw out 7/8's of your playbook.  The defense knows what you are going to do....much of your success (or not) depends on having a QB who can make the required throws.  And, if Thompson was our #1 for this, he would get #1 reps for the two minute drill in practice, and (like Delton) would improve rapidly at this limited and specialized part of the game.

I will admit this is not conventional, but there are certain things about our situation that distinguish us from the typical situation in which coaches fart around with more than one quarterback.  First, we have dramatically different QB.  Most schools recruit the same type of QB that "fits" their system.  Second, when coaches play more than one QB, those QB are competing against each other to be the starter, which can lead to rifts.  That is not our situation.  Ertz is clearly the guy; captain, team leader, proven winner, etc..  Giving Delton a series and Thompson 0-2 series a game does not threaten that.  In fact, carving our a specific (and important) role for Delton and Thompson to play might have the opposite effect:  They are not "the guy," but they are not discouraged because they have an important role to play nonetheless.  Rather than creating a rift, it might help with buy-in from all of the team.  Third, Ertz has a serious history with injuries.  We have to limit his hits, particularly at the beginning of the year (when there is more to lose--in terms of playing time--with an injury).  Ertz himself knows what an injury risk he is....the reason is runs very deliberately and the reason he developed the stiff-arm was an almost instinctual reaction to wanting to keep people off his body (particularly his knees).

This really isn't that crazy of an idea, even if it is somewhat unconventional.  (Remember that the coaches kept talking last year about getting Delton a series, and they finally did that in the ISU game.)


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Re: spring practice 17 tidbits, nuggets, and hearsay
« Reply #394 on: April 25, 2017, 04:16:24 PM »
Also wtf was with the train horn after every touchdown. It has to stop guys, I don't want to be TCU

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Re: spring practice 17 tidbits, nuggets, and hearsay
« Reply #395 on: April 25, 2017, 04:16:59 PM »
Also wtf was with the train horn after every touchdown. It has to stop guys, I don't want to be TCU

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Greg, we've been doing that train horn for at least a decade.
Sound system must be improved enough for people to actually hear it now.
Sound system is still sub par imo

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Re: spring practice 17 tidbits, nuggets, and hearsay
« Reply #396 on: April 25, 2017, 04:20:20 PM »
There just aren't that many people attending a spring game. During the season you can't hear the train sound from the student section because everyone is going nuts.

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Re: spring practice 17 tidbits, nuggets, and hearsay
« Reply #397 on: April 25, 2017, 04:55:11 PM »
Also wtf was with the train horn after every touchdown. It has to stop guys, I don't want to be TCU

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Greg, we've been doing that train horn for at least a decade.
Sound system must be improved enough for people to actually hear it now.
Sound system is still sub par imo

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This is why KU is going for the best sound system around.  I envy what their trying to do over there... 
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Re: spring practice 17 tidbits, nuggets, and hearsay
« Reply #398 on: April 25, 2017, 04:55:17 PM »
There just aren't that many people attending a spring game. During the season you can't hear the train sound from the student section because everyone is going nuts.
Agreed I was going nuts

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Re: spring practice 17 tidbits, nuggets, and hearsay
« Reply #399 on: April 25, 2017, 05:49:05 PM »
There just aren't that many people attending a spring game. During the season you can't hear the train sound from the student section because everyone is going nuts.
Agreed I was going nuts

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