Kids

[Kat Kid]

Parents were discussing it but it was definitely led by kids looking for the school to do something. It's not much different from the Jaden Mcneil situation, really.

Jaden McNeil has done way more than stuff on social media not related to kstate.

[michigancat]

Parents were discussing it but it was definitely led by kids looking for the school to do something. It's not much different from the Jaden Mcneil situation, really.

Jaden McNeil has done way more than stuff on social media not related to kstate.

Yeah so not much different other than it being much lower profile

[michigancat]

KK just curious, if one of these kids was one of your star tennis players you were coaching, what would you do? (I'm really curious, not trying to gotcha or anything)

[Kat Kid]

Parents were discussing it but it was definitely led by kids looking for the school to do something. It's not much different from the Jaden Mcneil situation, really.

Jaden McNeil has done way more than stuff on social media not related to kstate.

Yeah so not much different other than it being much lower profile

If the kids zoom bombed a class at school with nazi stuff that would be equivalent, which when you think about it actually isn't the same at all.

[Kat Kid]

KK just curious, if one of these kids was one of your star tennis players you were coaching, what would you do? (I'm really curious, not trying to gotcha or anything)

I assume there is an ocean of of stuff that I don't know about my students.  I care about their development and their lives, but I also think a lot of it isn't my business.  It would really depend upon how it came to my attention.  Obviously extra curricular activities are very different than school, but I don't know if I would kick the kid off the team for that.  If they did it at school or at practice or something else like that, that is completely different.

[michigancat]

KK just curious, if one of these kids was one of your star tennis players you were coaching, what would you do? (I'm really curious, not trying to gotcha or anything)

I assume there is an ocean of of stuff that I don't know about my students.  I care about their development and their lives, but I also think a lot of it isn't my business.  It would really depend upon how it came to my attention.  Obviously extra curricular activities are very different than school, but I don't know if I would kick the kid off the team for that.  If they did it at school or at practice or something else like that, that is completely different.

What if it was brought to your attention by a Jewish kid on the team who tells you this is a pattern? I don't think I'd kick the kid off the team either, but can you completely ignore it?

[Cire]

I would say, hey dude there’s people that are saying _________ about you. What gives?


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[Kat Kid]

KK just curious, if one of these kids was one of your star tennis players you were coaching, what would you do? (I'm really curious, not trying to gotcha or anything)

I assume there is an ocean of of stuff that I don't know about my students.  I care about their development and their lives, but I also think a lot of it isn't my business.  It would really depend upon how it came to my attention.  Obviously extra curricular activities are very different than school, but I don't know if I would kick the kid off the team for that.  If they did it at school or at practice or something else like that, that is completely different.

What if it was brought to your attention by a Jewish kid on the team who tells you this is a pattern? I don't think I'd kick the kid off the team either, but can you completely ignore it?

No, I would not completely ignore it.

Let me give you my overall philosophy-
Schools get put in an impossible position when they try to hold kids accountable for behavior that occurs off-campus and is not school related.  Obviously schools deal with lots of fallout from stuff that happens outside of school and affects things at school. 

I think parents that call the school with screenshots of text messages that their children have received instead of the kids parents are ridiculous.

If it were my kids that was on the receiving end--short of threats of physical violence or something else criminal, I would leave the school out of it and would only alert the school to the extent that it was relevant (our kids sit together in math class).

[8manpick]

Schools should absolutely not be holding children accountable for things that happen outside of school and off school grounds. eff that.

[Kat Kid]

Schools should absolutely not be holding children accountable for things that happen outside of school and off school grounds. eff that.

If we were to draw a brightline and call it a day, I'd agree with you.

But we already have crossed that line, I'm just talking about dialing it back a bit.

For instance, drug testing for extra curricular activities.

[michigancat]

Schools should absolutely not be holding children accountable for things that happen outside of school and off school grounds. eff that.

I think that's fair, but I also think it's irresponsible for a school to ignore things that are happening in its community and take no action at all (even if those actions do not explicitly punish someone). Things that happen off campus can make kids feel unsafe on campus.

I don't know the solution in this particular case, but something more proactive and thoughtful than "please don't be mean to the kids who posted themselves saluting hitler" would be nice.

[michigancat]

also there was a recent racist zoom bombing (pretty sure it's unrelated but with all the asian hate crimes as well it just kinda adds up ya know?)

[MakeItRain]

Gen x think their kids do no wrong

Millennials think their kids doing wrong is cute


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This is brilliant

[MakeItRain]

how about a smart watch?  can call, text, be safe, but no internetting

The story is long but I nearly kicked a kid out of camp because his bad person mother insisted on sending him to camp with a smart watch so she can call or text him whenever she wanted. In addition to this whenever the kid had an issue or wanted something he would call or text his mom instead of talking to his counselor, then she would call my office manager. Since of course the mom had this relationship with her kid, he was Charmin soft. He called when a counselor told him he had to eat his veggies to get seconds on fries. He called when a kid called him a crybaby. He called and made up a story about another kid with a knife. I told this lunatic to keep her son's watch at home or he can't come anymore. She complained to a mother of another camper who was influential, that mother told her the same thing. She came to camp in tears to pick up the watch, not the least bit surprising, the kid did great after we got the albatross of his codependent mother off his wrist.

[MakeItRain]

I remember photoshopping flyers to make it look like some students running for school president were Nazis. If that were today I fully expect that at least a dozen woke 30 year olds would be dragging me mercilessly on Twitter.

Is this a rough ridin' joke?

[MakeItRain]

Calling the school to deal with stuff that happened outside of school on IG is a big part of the reason why those crap head kids were up to that nonsense in the first place.

Yep. Thinking through the dumb ignorant stuff I did as a kid, I’m not sure how you respond to that level of scrutiny without falling into a clique that just perpetuates more of the same behavior.

They were doing the Hitler salute on IG. Getting called out for that isn't some insane level of scrutiny.

Right, dude acting like that is the same as reaching through the bottom of the vending machine to steal funyuns. I don't give a eff if it was at school, at home, or at Mars. The Jewish students, the students of color, deserve to feel safe while at school. If a potential school shooter put clues on insta but he's in his bedroom, y'all just going to ignore that too?

[MakeItRain]

Schools should absolutely not be holding children accountable for things that happen outside of school and off school grounds. eff that.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/warning-signs-shooter-criminal-history/story?id=55349240

[Kat Kid]

Calling the school to deal with stuff that happened outside of school on IG is a big part of the reason why those crap head kids were up to that nonsense in the first place.

Yep. Thinking through the dumb ignorant stuff I did as a kid, I’m not sure how you respond to that level of scrutiny without falling into a clique that just perpetuates more of the same behavior.

They were doing the Hitler salute on IG. Getting called out for that isn't some insane level of scrutiny.

Right, dude acting like that is the same as reaching through the bottom of the vending machine to steal funyuns. I don't give a eff if it was at school, at home, or at Mars. The Jewish students, the students of color, deserve to feel safe while at school. If a potential school shooter put clues on insta but he's in his bedroom, y'all just going to ignore that too?

I am not in love with our criminal justice system, but it is better equipped to deal with investigating potential school shooters than schools. The amount of time and resources my school spends on trying to deal with social media crap that happens outside of school would probably blow everyone’s mind except for you and the kids aren’t even supposed to have their phones on them in school (a lot do).

[catastrophe]

Calling the school to deal with stuff that happened outside of school on IG is a big part of the reason why those crap head kids were up to that nonsense in the first place.

Yep. Thinking through the dumb ignorant stuff I did as a kid, I’m not sure how you respond to that level of scrutiny without falling into a clique that just perpetuates more of the same behavior.

They were doing the Hitler salute on IG. Getting called out for that isn't some insane level of scrutiny.

Right, dude acting like that is the same as reaching through the bottom of the vending machine to steal funyuns. I don't give a eff if it was at school, at home, or at Mars. The Jewish students, the students of color, deserve to feel safe while at school. If a potential school shooter put clues on insta but he's in his bedroom, y'all just going to ignore that too?

Are you familiar with the Streisand effect?

[catastrophe]

I remember photoshopping flyers to make it look like some students running for school president were Nazis. If that were today I fully expect that at least a dozen woke 30 year olds would be dragging me mercilessly on Twitter.

Is this a rough ridin' joke?

Says the gentleman about to drag punk kid on a message board.

[8manpick]

Schools should absolutely not be holding children accountable for things that happen outside of school and off school grounds. eff that.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/warning-signs-shooter-criminal-history/story?id=55349240

That does nothing to change my mind on this. It shouldn’t be their responsibility.

[nicname]

Gen x think their kids do no wrong

Millennials think their kids doing wrong is cute


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This is brilliant

Yes.

[star seed 7]

Is there an example for the millenial statement?

[Cire]

Just thinking it’s great when kids being douchy, breaking something, driving a golf cart down the street, being loud and obnoxious.

Like a no serious harm no foul attitude


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[Kat Kid]

Look, I will be completely honest here. I was not a very good kid in HS in terms of law following. I think forgiveness and redemption is a lot better than tossing everyone out on the trash heap. But it is complicated.