Potential oscar replacements? (mods plz merge. Can't find an old thread on this)

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

At what point does telling the same joke over and over again get super old?

Yes, Currie is going to hire someone shitty we all hate. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

It's been acknowledged and laughed at, now can we stop reading a different variation of the same joke 68,346 times a day?

This joke and several others are the reason this bbs sucks.

[Bookcat]

Underwood will never coach here with a snake of an athletic director like John Currie, ever... That's how bitter you should be towards him. He's the sole reason we stink at this sport

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[MakeItRain]

It is almost like running off a successful coach and then hiring a coach that just got fired from another job -- and then not firing said fired coach when beloved former assistant alum was ripe for the picking after huge low/mid-major success -- did hurt the image of our program after all.

eff Currie. He's killed my basketball program. I'm not sure it's ever coming back.

When did you get so dramatic?

[MakeItRain]

This sounds like a good fit for us.

Jeff Lebo, East Carolina
Lebo has been a head coach for 18 straight seasons (at four different schools) yet has never had a team reach the NCAA Tournament. And only twice (at Tennessee Tech in 2002 and Auburn 2009) has his team earned an NIT bid. In his six seasons at East Carolina, the Pirates are 99–100 overall and 37–63 in league games (four in C-USA, two in AAC).

  good one chum, killed it!

[pissclams]

It is almost like running off a successful coach and then hiring a coach that just got fired from another job -- and then not firing said fired coach when beloved former assistant alum was ripe for the picking after huge low/mid-major success -- did hurt the image of our program after all.

eff Currie. He's killed my basketball program. I'm not sure it's ever coming back.

good grief man, step off of the ledge

[chum1]

This sounds like a good fit for us.

Jeff Lebo, East Carolina
Lebo has been a head coach for 18 straight seasons (at four different schools) yet has never had a team reach the NCAA Tournament. And only twice (at Tennessee Tech in 2002 and Auburn 2009) has his team earned an NIT bid. In his six seasons at East Carolina, the Pirates are 99–100 overall and 37–63 in league games (four in C-USA, two in AAC).

  good one chum, killed it!

That wasn't the joke you complained about. I didn't say anything about Currie.

Also, I can't come up with any candidates that look really good. In that sense, they're all a bit underwhelming. Might as well go with Jeff Lebo.

[sonofdaxjones]

I would say Forbes needs a strong look. 

Time for Currie to move on, let's name an alum with a good head, a business mind and cares about athletics to take over as interim AD to lead search for new AD, assess internal candidates in the process and lead search for new bball coach.

Somebody who doesn't just write checks because of marketing slogans, but who writes checks expecting the money to help improve results and has real, yet reasonable expectations. 


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[wetwillie]

I would say Forbes needs a strong look. 

Time for Currie to move on, let's name an alum with a good head, a business mind and cares about athletics to take over as interim AD to lead search for new AD, assess internal candidates in the process and lead search for new bball coach.

Somebody who doesn't just write checks because of marketing slogans, but who writes checks expecting the money to help improve results and has real, yet reasonable expectations. 


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Welcome home Kirby.

[scottwildcat]

When is steve dave going to do his above this line below this line thread? I love those threads.

[Tobias]

Time for Currie to move on, let's name an alum with a good head

i can think of one with a real basketball head.  meep meep.

[sonofdaxjones]

Shiny too


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[sonofdaxjones]

This sounds like a good fit for us.

Jeff Lebo, East Carolina
Lebo has been a head coach for 18 straight seasons (at four different schools) yet has never had a team reach the NCAA Tournament. And only twice (at Tennessee Tech in 2002 and Auburn 2009) has his team earned an NIT bid. In his six seasons at East Carolina, the Pirates are 99–100 overall and 37–63 in league games (four in C-USA, two in AAC).

I'm in a sports bar in G-Vegas right now.  ECU is playing Tulsa, it's on ESPNU right now.   Not one TV of 50 has it on. 


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[CatMission]

Bring Kelvin back to the B12.


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[HugeCat]

Indiana Basketball – Five reasons Tom Crean should stay and another five he should go
by Kent Sterling
February 25, 2017

Indiana coach Tom Crean has three years left on his contract.

Indiana Athletic Director Fred Glass will wait until the season ends and then evaluate the basketball program.  The decision will be made to either retain Tom Crean as the basketball coach or relieve him of his responsibilities.

There are two sects of Indiana Basketball fans – those who view Crean as the hero of IU hoops who rode in on a white horse to save the program during its darkest moment with diligence and excellent recruiting, and those who see him as an overmatched schemer whose hyperactivity and inability to teach defense has frustrated players and fans.

Somewhere in the middle lies the truth.

Indiana will play the final home game of a very disappointing season tonight against Northwestern, a team enjoying its finest year.  Indiana is 5-10, in 13th place among 14 teams in the Big 10.

For many fans who spend the majority of their idle time ruminating about Indiana Basketball, the result of a season that began with such promise is unacceptable.

Let’s take a quick look at the pros and cons or firing and retaining Crean to see if we can find a little clarity or common ground.  Here are five reasons – in no particular order – to hold on to Crean:

Who is a better replacement?  The names being thrown around as the next coach are either pie in the sky pipe dreams or uninspiring.  Brad Stevens (Celtics), Steve Alford (UCLA), Archie Miller (Dayton), Tony Bennett (Virginia), Chris Mack (Xavier), Dane Fife (assistant at Michigan State), Will Wade (VCU), and Kevin Keatts (UNC Wilmington) are among the names that come to mind as potential leaders, but do any give you the notion that a sixth banner is right around the corner?  Maybe one of them would either agree to come or provide IU with its next great coach.
Injuries robbed this Indiana team of chance to succeed.  Collin Hartman would have brought steady delivery of fundamentals and leadership, and O.G. Anunoby can defend all five spots as an athletic freak.  James Blackmon Jr. was gone for a few games too.  With a healthy roster, Indiana might have been good enough.  With Hartman healthy, it can be assumed that IU would have been one point better @ IPFW – a game lost in overtime).  With Hartman and Anunoby playing, they likely would have been a bucket better against Minnesota and a point better than Iowa.  By being four points better, Indiana would be 18-10 and 7-8 in the Big 10, and inside the bubble for the NCAA Tournament.  It’s likely IU might have found a way to be a bit better than that.
Indiana has won two Big 10 championships in last five seasons.  The NCAA Tournament is a crapshoot, and winning four straight games in March to advance to the Final Four is tough.  Winning more Big 10 games than anyone else in the conference is a test of basketball and intestinal fortitude.
Hoosiers program better today than 10, 15, or 20 years ago.  After Damon Bailey’s graduation, Indiana under Bob Knight started recruiting all over the place, and the result was an uneven mess.  Mike Davis was unready to lead IU by his own admission.  Kelvin Sampson was an amoral and corrupt leader (according to NCAA rules at the time) of a previously pious and chaste program.  Crean inherited a mess, and cobbled together rosters that became very competitive in his fourth season.  From 1995-2012, Indiana advanced to one Sweet 16 and shared one Big 10 regular season championship.  From 2013-2016, Indiana won two Big 10 titles outright, and has advanced to three Sweet 16s.
Maybe this is as good as it gets for IU.  Indiana is not Louisville, Kentucky, North Carolina, or Duke.  It’s also not the consistent winner that Wisconsin, Michigan State, and Michigan are.  A close comp over the past six years is West Virginia.  Is there a coach out there like John Calipari was after the grim and brief Billy Gillespie era at Kentucky, or a Roy Williams following Matt Doherty and Bill Guthridge at UNC who can resurrect Indiana to it’s former greatness?
Okay, let’s compare the reasons to keep Crean with some that call for a regime change:

Style does not sync with Indiana heritage.  Even when winning, Indiana fans are baffled by the Hoosiers inability to defend and take care of the ball.  For generations Indiana players appeared smarter and better prepared to compete than their opponents.  Today’s Hoosiers either out-talent opponents or lose.
Crean can no longer recruit Indiana.  Four high school seniors from Indiana are ranked in the top 30 nationally, and none will play for Indiana.  IU continues to offer Indiana kids, but none seems as keen on playing in Bloomington as Cody Zeller or Yogi Ferrell were.  If Crean can’t recruit the home state hot bed, how can they compete with the programs that can.  Gary Harris, Trey Lyles, Zak Irvin, Caleb Swanigan, and Kyle Guy would have helped Indiana win games if not championships.
Incoming class not a game changer.  Clifton Moore, Al Durham, and Justin Smith are doubtless nice young men who have a great talent to play basketball, but they comprise a recruiting class not ranked in the top 40 in the country.  Their arrival will coincide with the almost certain departure of Anunoby, Blackmon, and Thomas Bryant.  Fans are not bullish that brighter days are ahead based upon the current state of Crean’s recruiting.
Alternative to firing is an extension.  If Crean is invited to return to Bloomington by not being asked to leave, he will have three years remaining on his contract, and as his buyout drops to $1-million on July 1st, he will ask for an extension that rewards him for the success that had been lacking for 15 years prior to his arrival.  Can Indiana justify extending the contract of a coach whose presence in Bloomington has motivated thousands of empty seats in Assembly Hall over the last month.
Failed to post winning Big 10 record three of last four seasons.  Indiana’s record over the last four Big 10 seasons is 36-33 with three non-winning seasons.  That is a mediocre result that includes one very nice 15-3 season.  Taking the unfair step of removing the 2016 campaign, Indiana is 21-30 in conference play in 2014, 2015, and 2017.  If past is prologue, the future looks dim indeed.
The distilled result of the five reasons to replace Crean is an apathy among longtime fans and donors that might compel action.

http://kentsterling.com/2017/02/25/indiana-basketball-five-reasons-tom-crean-should-stay-and-another-five-he-should-go-iubb/

['taterblast]

we need to go fight NC State for Kevin Keatts, probs won't happen

[yoga-like_abana]

It is almost like running off a successful coach and then hiring a coach that just got fired from another job -- and then not firing said fired coach when beloved former assistant alum was ripe for the picking after huge low/mid-major success -- did hurt the image of our program after all.

eff Currie. He's killed my basketball program. I'm not sure it's ever coming back.

basketball is so easy to turn around that its laughable.. sustaining success is a different animal though

[kso_FAN]

basketball is so easy to turn around that its laughable.. sustaining success is a different animal though

This is true.

A month or so ago when things started going south on this season, I read multiple fans talking about how firing oscar would set the program back 3-5 years. That's just not true, look at Dixon and Brad this year for examples. The right coach can come in and compete for an NCAA tournament next year, but can they build and maintain the program?

We might also want to accept that fact that we have become a consistent "basketball coach stop over" program. No coach has been here longer than 6 years since Hartman retired 30 years ago (and we fired both of the 6 year guys). 30 years with an average coaching stay of about 4.3 years. It is what we are at this point.

[yoga-like_abana]

basketball is so easy to turn around that its laughable.. sustaining success is a different animal though

This is true.

A month or so ago when things started going south on this season, I read multiple fans talking about how firing oscar would set the program back 3-5 years. That's just not true, look at Dixon and Brad this year for examples. The right coach can come in and compete for an NCAA tournament next year, but can they build and maintain the program?

We might also want to accept that fact that we have become a consistent "basketball coach stop over" program. No coach has been here longer than 6 years since Hartman retired 30 years ago (and we fired both of the 6 year guys). 30 years with an average coaching stay of about 4.3 years. It is what we are at this point.

I'm ok with us hiring an AAU coach at this point every 2 years or an AAU coach as an asst.

[Art Vandelay]

Bring in Steve Henson with Mitch Richmond as assistant coach. It would be funny to watch both school anyone on this current roster in practice.

[LickNeckey]

If one of Currie's pre-req's for consideration is hiring a just fired Big 10 coach then i am all in on Tom Crean (if he gets canned)

[scottwildcat]

i'll drive my car off a bridge if it is Crean

[kso_FAN]

Most Big 12 programs have had heavy turnover in the last 20-30 years.

We're (hopefully) at the end of our 7th coach in 30 years.
ISU has has 6 coaches over the last 23 years (since Orr retired)
Tech has had 6 coaches over the last 16 years (since Dickey retired)
TCU is on their 6th coach in 29 years.
OU is on their 4th in 23 years (since Tubbs retired)
OSU is on their 3rd in 11 years (since Sutton retired)
UT had Barnes a long time, they may be beginning the cycle of Shaka doesn't get it figured out.
WVU has Huggs.
BU has Drew.
KU has Self.

You could look at Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado, and Texas A&M to find similar stories.

[Joker]

We might also want to accept that fact that we have become a consistent "basketball coach stop over" program. No coach has been here longer than 6 years since Hartman retired 30 years ago (and we fired both of the 6 year guys). 30 years with an average coaching stay of about 4.3 years. It is what we are at this point.

This is what makes passing on Brad all the more painful.

[yoga-like_abana]

Who's the next dalonte?? That's who I want. Screw the other suggestos

[420seriouscat69]

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/373

This kids dad just got hired on at Washington and he was already an assistant coach for Mizzou women's team. He's the only reason Washington isn't firing their coach. He's got a younger brother too and the whole family are a bunch of basketball studs.