All Halves MATTer; ISU ADV

[Kat Kid]

Wes and Kamau had some all-time Shane Southwell/Clent Stewart-esque turnovers with the game on the line.

Sneed finally got some minutes and some touches/good looks.  Unfortunately, it took Claws being completely absent.

[Skipper44]

The KK - Clent Stewart Fued lives!

[kso_FAN]

Wes and Kamau had some all-time Shane Southwell/Clent Stewart-esque turnovers with the game on the line.

Sneed finally got some minutes and some touches/good looks.  Unfortunately, it took Claws being completely absent.

The crazy thing is we had 2 turnovers the first 16 minutes of the 2nd half, then 4 the last 4 minutes.

[Steffy08]

Wes and Kamau had some all-time Shane Southwell/Clent Stewart-esque turnovers with the game on the line.

Sneed finally got some minutes and some touches/good looks.  Unfortunately, it took Claws being completely absent.

The crazy thing is we had 2 turnovers the first 16 minutes of the 2nd half, then 4 the last 4 minutes.

Three in the last 53 seconds.

Honestly, though, the only one that made me mad was the inbounds at the end.
Stokes made a great steal and was excited and, well, sophomore point guards are going to sophomore point guard.
Ervin's was after a great hustle play on the offensive rebound; a more seasoned veteran would have called timeout, there, but I'm not mad at him.

[catastrophe]

Also sucks that the nail in the coffin was another BS foul call on that dunk.

"nail in the coffin?" We were down 4 with 5 seconds remaining. Only oscar Weber can lose a 4 point lead with less than 5 seconds left!

Yea, I misremembered the timing.

[kso_FAN]

Wes and Kamau had some all-time Shane Southwell/Clent Stewart-esque turnovers with the game on the line.

Sneed finally got some minutes and some touches/good looks.  Unfortunately, it took Claws being completely absent.

The crazy thing is we had 2 turnovers the first 16 minutes of the 2nd half, then 4 the last 4 minutes.

Three in the last 53 seconds.

Honestly, though, the only one that made me mad was the inbounds at the end.
Stokes made a great steal and was excited and, well, sophomore point guards are going to sophomore point guard.
Ervin's was after a great hustle play on the offensive rebound; a more seasoned veteran would have called timeout, there, but I'm not mad at him.

Good points. The Stokes one where he turned it right back over was really frustrating still, and to me that was the nail in the coffin. The final one the game was pretty much over IMO. And the Wes one trying to pass to DJamer was in part a really good play by ISU. DJamer had a great seal and it looked to me like the lob would get there initially. Ervin most definitely was fouled, but that's rarely going to be called.

Still, its 4 TOs in key situations.

[Kat Kid]

The Ervin one was bad because he clearly could've split and dribbled through the double.  He basically did that, just forgot to dribble.  But they were all bad turnovers.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Wes and Kamau had some all-time Shane Southwell/Clent Stewart-esque turnovers with the game on the line.

Sneed finally got some minutes and some touches/good looks.  Unfortunately, it took Claws being completely absent.

The crazy thing is we had 2 turnovers the first 16 minutes of the 2nd half, then 4 the last 4 minutes.

Three in the last 53 seconds.

Honestly, though, the only one that made me mad was the inbounds at the end.
Stokes made a great steal and was excited and, well, sophomore point guards are going to sophomore point guard.
Ervin's was after a great hustle play on the offensive rebound; a more seasoned veteran would have called timeout, there, but I'm not mad at him.

You can't win games with sophomore point guards sophomore point guarding.

[pissclams]

not one thing matters more than the other if you consider that ultimately something was going to make us lose that game.  facts are facts, oscar doesn't win road games against teams with a pulse.

eliminating one factor from the equation just presents an opportunity for another

[Steffy08]

Wes and Kamau had some all-time Shane Southwell/Clent Stewart-esque turnovers with the game on the line.

Sneed finally got some minutes and some touches/good looks.  Unfortunately, it took Claws being completely absent.

The crazy thing is we had 2 turnovers the first 16 minutes of the 2nd half, then 4 the last 4 minutes.

Three in the last 53 seconds.

Honestly, though, the only one that made me mad was the inbounds at the end.
Stokes made a great steal and was excited and, well, sophomore point guards are going to sophomore point guard.
Ervin's was after a great hustle play on the offensive rebound; a more seasoned veteran would have called timeout, there, but I'm not mad at him.

You can't win games with sophomore point guards sophomore point guarding.

So true....kindof like it is tough to win with young QB's.
We have been playing with young guards for four years now.

[PIPE]

A lot of Brucexcuses  in this thread............

I guess we will have to wait until Stokes is a Sr then. Glad Wes is a SR and doesn't make late game TO's or misses FT's.....oh, wait.......dang

[MakeItRain]

Are we still going with the three point lottery or are we watching closely enough to see that we give up an inordinate amount of unguarded threes?

data says it's an ordinate amount.

3PA/FGA:   35.4 152th

That doesn't tell you a damn thing about the large number of unguarded three point shots we give up. That tells you that we guard shots inside of the arc better than we do shots beyond it. Of course when you don't put on heavy ball pressure, don't deny guard to guard passes, and generally play off to protect the paint, none of this is surprising.

I did say in chat that we had the inability to adjust and I was proven wrong. Putting more pressure on the ball and switching screens eliminated many of the open looks and surprise they shot poorly from the three point line in the second half. I'm sure the coaching adjustment had nothing to do with ISU's poor second half shooting, its just luck explained by some unrelated stat.

[sys]

That doesn't tell you a damn thing about the large number of unguarded three point shots we give up.

it almost certainly does.

[pissclams]

That doesn't tell you a damn thing about the large number of unguarded three point shots we give up.

it almost certainly does.

.

oh crap, it looks like what we have here is a good ol' fashioned "what does a stat tell you" off 

[renocat]

Okay.  You.basketball brains a question.  Did fatigue have a bearing on DJamer or Stokes missing free throws at the end of the game.  IMO the rotation of Bullnuts, Claws, DJamer, and Snud keeps them all fresh.  Did the injury to Claws affect DJamer?

[michigancat]

Okay.  You.basketball brains a question.  Did fatigue have a bearing on DJamer or Stokes missing free throws at the end of the game.  IMO the rotation of Bullnuts, Claws, DJamer, and Snud keeps them all fresh.  Did the injury to Claws affect DJamer?

Stokes injured his ankle.

[PIPE]

Stokes is only a SO, that explains it

[sys]

Did fatigue have a bearing on DJamer  missing free throws at the end of the game.

#notmypowerforward.

[Clevey 2 Times]

Wes and Kamau had some all-time Shane Southwell/Clent Stewart-esque turnovers with the game on the line.

Sneed finally got some minutes and some touches/good looks.  Unfortunately, it took Claws being completely absent.

The crazy thing is we had 2 turnovers the first 16 minutes of the 2nd half, then 4 the last 4 minutes.

Three in the last 53 seconds.

Honestly, though, the only one that made me mad was the inbounds at the end.
Stokes made a great steal and was excited and, well, sophomore point guards are going to sophomore point guard.
Ervin's was after a great hustle play on the offensive rebound; a more seasoned veteran would have called timeout, there, but I'm not mad at him.

Good points. The Stokes one where he turned it right back over was really frustrating still, and to me that was the nail in the coffin. The final one the game was pretty much over IMO. And the Wes one trying to pass to DJamer was in part a really good play by ISU. DJamer had a great seal and it looked to me like the lob would get there initially. Ervin most definitely was fouled, but that's rarely going to be called.

Still, its 4 TOs in key situations.

Wes throwing the pass to DJamer was a bad decision, although DJamer had sealed his defender. The angle -- throwing a pass over the top from the top of the 3 pt line to the middle of the paint is one of the more difficult ones on the floor. That pass gets stolen a lot.

But, the bigger issue, 4 turnovers in crunch time. This is our problem right now more than anything.

Secondarily, we don't have a killer in late game situations. Iowa State has Morris, which is probably the main reason (as well as some seasoned vets) that they'll finish ahead of us in conference this season.

[michigancat]

Wes and Kamau had some all-time Shane Southwell/Clent Stewart-esque turnovers with the game on the line.

Sneed finally got some minutes and some touches/good looks.  Unfortunately, it took Claws being completely absent.

The crazy thing is we had 2 turnovers the first 16 minutes of the 2nd half, then 4 the last 4 minutes.

Three in the last 53 seconds.

Honestly, though, the only one that made me mad was the inbounds at the end.
Stokes made a great steal and was excited and, well, sophomore point guards are going to sophomore point guard.
Ervin's was after a great hustle play on the offensive rebound; a more seasoned veteran would have called timeout, there, but I'm not mad at him.

Good points. The Stokes one where he turned it right back over was really frustrating still, and to me that was the nail in the coffin. The final one the game was pretty much over IMO. And the Wes one trying to pass to DJamer was in part a really good play by ISU. DJamer had a great seal and it looked to me like the lob would get there initially. Ervin most definitely was fouled, but that's rarely going to be called.

Still, its 4 TOs in key situations.

Wes throwing the pass to DJamer was a bad decision, although DJamer had sealed his defender. The angle -- throwing a pass over the top from the top of the 3 pt line to the middle of the paint is one of the more difficult ones on the floor. That pass gets stolen a lot.

But, the bigger issue, 4 turnovers in crunch time. This is our problem right now more than anything.

Secondarily, we don't have a killer in late game situations. Iowa State has Morris, which is probably the main reason (as well as some seasoned vets) that they'll finish ahead of us in conference this season.

The even bigger issue is the 20 point deficit early in the second half

[Powercat Posse]

Wes and Kamau had some all-time Shane Southwell/Clent Stewart-esque turnovers with the game on the line.

Sneed finally got some minutes and some touches/good looks.  Unfortunately, it took Claws being completely absent.

The crazy thing is we had 2 turnovers the first 16 minutes of the 2nd half, then 4 the last 4 minutes.

Three in the last 53 seconds.

Honestly, though, the only one that made me mad was the inbounds at the end.
Stokes made a great steal and was excited and, well, sophomore point guards are going to sophomore point guard.
Ervin's was after a great hustle play on the offensive rebound; a more seasoned veteran would have called timeout, there, but I'm not mad at him.

Good points. The Stokes one where he turned it right back over was really frustrating still, and to me that was the nail in the coffin. The final one the game was pretty much over IMO. And the Wes one trying to pass to DJamer was in part a really good play by ISU. DJamer had a great seal and it looked to me like the lob would get there initially. Ervin most definitely was fouled, but that's rarely going to be called.

Still, its 4 TOs in key situations.

Wes throwing the pass to DJamer was a bad decision, although DJamer had sealed his defender. The angle -- throwing a pass over the top from the top of the 3 pt line to the middle of the paint is one of the more difficult ones on the floor. That pass gets stolen a lot.

But, the bigger issue, 4 turnovers in crunch time. This is our problem right now more than anything.

Secondarily, we don't have a killer in late game situations. Iowa State has Morris, which is probably the main reason (as well as some seasoned vets) that they'll finish ahead of us in conference this season.

The even bigger issue is the 20 point deficit early in the second half

Yes, the 20 pt deficit was the biggest issue.  We had 3 TOs in first 19 2nd half minutes. Those were spaced out and part of the flow.

The late Ervin/Stokes TOs were hurtful. The last one wasn't (down 4 under 10 seconds is 1/100 chance of winning).  Honestly, the missed FTs were just as harmful as the 2 TOs I mentioned. We had four trips to the line. Could have shot 8 FTs. Only came away with 3 points there.  But once again, can't play poorly and get down by 20.

WV got down 11 at our place in the 2nd half. Then took a 68-67 lead. Then we Outscored them by 5 the rest of the way.  Their issue wasn't the 3 TOs and 7 pts in the last 10 Possessions.  Their biggest issue was allowing a 12 pt lead in the 1st half turn into a 11 point deficit, 13:00 minutes later.

[catastrophe]

Obviously it's tough to argue that  putting ourselves in a 20 point hole cost us the game (I think they showed that this was the first game in Cats history that we ever even dug ourselves out of that kind of deficit), but the inability to finish close games against decent opponents is definitely a disturbing trend.