K-State vs A&M in Pyramid Scheme Bowl

[Rage Against the McKee]

Washington is only in because Oklahoma lost to Houston.

[420seriouscat69]

So they had a better record than them? Got it.

[Shooter Jones]

I think K-State can have a loss, beat someone in the Big 12 Championship, and still make it. If you're trying to play the "but it's K-state" card, Washington debunked that this year.

Someone on the TV yesterday claimed Washington was a Top 25 program All Time. Obviously interesting if true, but definitely wouldn't say K-State and Washington are on the same level in the eyes of college football talking deads.

[Dugout DickStone]

If it comes down to the day of selection, Snyder needs to announce his retirement the day before.

[Shooter Jones]

Either way, tho. K-State could absolutely get in with a loss next year.

[ChiComCat]

1 loss conference champions get in about 95% of the time.  K-State will never get in with two losses. 

[scottwildcat]

I think K-State can have a loss, beat someone in the Big 12 Championship, and still make it. If you're trying to play the "but it's K-state" card, Washington debunked that this year.

Someone on the TV yesterday claimed Washington was a Top 25 program All Time. Obviously interesting if true, but definitely wouldn't say K-State and Washington are on the same level in the eyes of college football talking deads.

Washington has 2 claimed national titles, 16 conference titles, 36 bowl appearances one playoff appearance and 715 all time wins. I would say they're a top 25 program of all time.

[MakeItRain]

Petro made a really good point today. All 4 teams heading to the playoff this year started the season ranked inside the top 14. A win vs A&M, A big portion of our main core returning, and we could be in for a sweet pre season ranking next year. This game kinda matters.

Did he happen to mention the first two years of the cfp?

[420seriouscat69]

Nope

[MakeItRain]

It invalidates the point. Was it last year or two years ago when Mississippi State doesn't multiple weeks at number one?

[420seriouscat69]

How many ranked teams did they defeat that year? That kind of helped them rise fast I believe. Not sure if we'll have those similar opportunities next year. We know OU will be good, but everyone else is a pretty big question mark.

[Pete]

Washington is a rough ridin' blue blood compared to us. Not saying Wacky is wrong about our chances as a 1 loss team next year, just saying Washington is a "name."

[420seriouscat69]

That's fair. They've just been away from the spotlight for awhile.

[MakeItRain]

Brand is a ridiculous metric when it comes to the CFP committee. We're not talking about some crapbrained writer in Richmond or some SID from the Sun Belt doing a top 25 while his coach is doing a meet and greet at Zaxby's. What an absurd observation given we're 24 hours out from the winningest program in cfb history with a high profile coach getting "snubbed."

[KITNfury]

I think AT LEAST three out of 4 times a school like K-State would get in w/ a 12-1 record as major conference champs.

There could always be a weird situation where they wouldn't obviously.  But I'll forever be on the 8 team playoff, so I think 5 conference champs should always be in.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Had K-State gone 11-1 this year and won the Big 12, we would be out. I don't think winning a CCG changes that, either. Washington and Michigan would both still be ahead of us.

[420seriouscat69]

Had K-State gone 11-1 this year and won the Big 12, we would be out. I don't think winning a CCG changes that, either. Washington and Michigan would both still be ahead of us.

This battered wife syndrome gets old sometimes. Michigan wouldn't jump us with two losses. Washington would probably edge us because they started the season ranked highly and they had the cherry on top of winning a conference championship game at the end. I get that seasons like '98 make plenty of you have these "woe is me" moments, but the playoff is there to help prevent past mistakes. Even if this K-State team went 11-1, they would have deserved to be snubbed by Washington. The Pac-12 was a better conference, no matter how shitty their non-con was.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I agree. We would still have no signature win even at 11-1, assuming the loss were to Oklahoma. Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan would all be more deserving of a spot than us.

[kso_FAN]

https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/805557853222240257

I wish Sisco were out, be should be in surgery the day he takes his last final.

i agree 100% on this. As someone who has come around on Sisco the sooner he has surgery and rehabs and can be practicing for '17 the better.

In know of situations in the past where the player is allowed to choose when they have surgery. Some have chosen to have it sooner and miss the end of the season and/or bowl games. Others have chosen to wait until after the game because they want to continue to play. Most decide based on the timeline of recovery and the severity of the injury. Some have chosen to play no matter what the consequences because they want to continue to play for/with their teammates.

[scottwildcat]

If JE16 is choosing to play then good for him I hope we win the bowl game. I do stand by the idea it is better for the program's ambitions for him to get to 100% as quickly as possible so he can participate in spring practices.

[MakeItRain]

If it's up to him he's going to play. In a situation like this it shouldn't be up to the player though, imo.

[Mikeyis4dcats]

I hate bowl tie ins.  I'm so sick of playing in the Texas Bowl....

[420seriouscat69]

I hate bowl tie ins.  I'm so sick of playing in the Texas Bowl....

Preach, brother!

[catastrophe]

If it's up to him he's going to play. In a situation like this it shouldn't be up to the player though, imo.

Why not? He's an adult who is apparently healthy enough to play. I'm not aware of any chance of aggravating the injury with any long term consequences.

[MakeItRain]

If it's up to him he's going to play. In a situation like this it shouldn't be up to the player though, imo.

Why not? He's an adult who is apparently healthy enough to play. I'm not aware of any chance of aggravating the injury with any long term consequences.

He's an adult? So you think these players have full control over the decisions they make in the program? They can't make the decision when to wear hats but the coaches allow them to make the decision when to have medical procedures? You don't know the injury so you can't possibly know the risk of exaggerating the injury. I know what he had been asked to do has been altered which means hee should probably get it taken care if instead of playing in an exhibition. If the coaches told him they think it's in his best interest to get the procedure now instead of January, he'd do it now.