Charlie's Gone... T's & P's

[Pete]

In Mac's last 4 years he wasn't winning at the level they wanted.  However, he won at least 8 games a year each of his last 3 years.

Are we to believe that you have to have losing seasons for years in a row in order to rebuild a team that won 8 a year for the prior 3?  To change the culture you have to turn them from being medium level winners to losers?

I get that he had unreasonable critics. I would have hoped that the guaranteed $10M+ would have allowed him to avoid worrying unnecessarily about economic insecurity and maybe just focus on X's and O's. 

[ednksu]

Saw a rumor Strong has been informed, gets to coach against TCU and Herman might to stick around Houston to even coach the bowl game.  If true, that is some huge doucheness on Herman if he jumps that early.

[Pete]

Saw a rumor Strong has been informed, gets to coach against TCU and Herman might to stick around Houston to even coach the bowl game.  If true, that is some huge doucheness on Herman if he jumps that early.

Not saying it's right, but it's the norm. 

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-so-many-coaches-leave-before-bowl-games-and-what-ncaa-can-do-to-stop-it-2013-1

[Rage Against the McKee]

In Mac's last 4 years he wasn't winning at the level they wanted.  However, he won at least 8 games a year each of his last 3 years.

Are we to believe that you have to have losing seasons for years in a row in order to rebuild a team that won 8 a year for the prior 3?  To change the culture you have to turn them from being medium level winners to losers?

I get that he had unreasonable critics. I would have hoped that the guaranteed $10M+ would have allowed him to avoid worrying unnecessarily about economic insecurity and maybe just focus on X's and O's.

Strong sealed his fate during his first few weeks when he ran so many players off the team. He turned it into more of a rebuilding job than it needed to be.

[ednksu]

In Mac's last 4 years he wasn't winning at the level they wanted.  However, he won at least 8 games a year each of his last 3 years.

Are we to believe that you have to have losing seasons for years in a row in order to rebuild a team that won 8 a year for the prior 3?  To change the culture you have to turn them from being medium level winners to losers?

I get that he had unreasonable critics. I would have hoped that the guaranteed $10M+ would have allowed him to avoid worrying unnecessarily about economic insecurity and maybe just focus on X's and O's.

I think you are underplaying the cultural issues at any school like Texas.  I would also include the issues that Rich Rod, and I think Hoke too, had at Michigan.  Sure he has had years to fix it, all the while the biggest donors are actively trying to run him, undermine his recruiting, and threatening to hamstring the athletic department.  I also object that Charlie is worried about his paycheck and not focusing on his coaching.  You don't get to the position he has been in with those kinds of distractions.  He carries himself with a lot of integrity, IMO, and I'd be willing to bet he is more distracted by the cultural situation and people undermining him rather than deposits. 

[ednksu]

http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/report-texas-decides-to-fire-charlie-strong-announcement-possible-monday/

Announcement tomorrow?

[catastrophe]

Have a friend who's a big horns fan and has family friends that are big boosters. Apparently a Tom Herman deal is already in the works and could have been why Texas didn't want Houston to join this next year. If Houston becomes a big 12 team he has no reason to leave Houston. Texas has wanted him since before the beginning of season. Never liked Charlie because of 

Texas was actually very public about wanting Houston in the Big 12. Also, Herman would still have a reason to leave because it's Texas.

[sonofdaxjones]

CSFHCIWKSU

[BackPayne]

What if Herman tells UT no?

[MakeItRain]

In Mac's last 4 years he wasn't winning at the level they wanted.  However, he won at least 8 games a year each of his last 3 years.

Are we to believe that you have to have losing seasons for years in a row in order to rebuild a team that won 8 a year for the prior 3?  To change the culture you have to turn them from being medium level winners to losers?

I get that he had unreasonable critics. I would have hoped that the guaranteed $10M+ would have allowed him to avoid worrying unnecessarily about economic insecurity and maybe just focus on X's and O's.

Strong sealed his fate during his first few weeks when he ran so many players off the team. He turned it into more of a rebuilding job than it needed to be.

Pete, Red McCombs is a racist dickbag. That being said you can make a pretty easy argument to run Charlie. I also think you can make a compelling argument to keep him, I think they are undoubtedly improving, albeit slow. I would have liked if he were allowed to coach this talent he accumulated but he knew the job he took.

RATM, those players were identified as soft TCs, FPs, ETC even before Mack left; others were straight up criminals. He did a great job of building the talent back up in the program, just couldn't get the wins they needed to get.

[MakeItRain]

What if Herman tells UT no?

Since people have gone on record saying he's telling people it's his dream job it would be incredibly embarrassing.

[Pete]

Maybe Strong ends up at LSU?

[ednksu]

  I bet he takes a minute off, enjoys his 5+mill for free and gets at it again at a *smaller* P5 like Louisville was for a bit.   No need to jump right back in when you can stick it to the horns a bit.

[catastrophe]

1-17 when trailing at the half. Maybe Strong could build something at UT if given more time, but the in-game coaching so far actually seems pretty bad.

[Rage Against the McKee]

1-17 when trailing at the half. Maybe Strong could build something at UT if given more time, but the in-game coaching so far actually seems pretty bad.

Where do you go to get stats like that? It would be interesting to see what record most coaches typically have when trailing at the half.

[DQ12]

Texas should forget about Herman and offer Chip Kelly 8 mil per year.

[ChiComCat]

I liked/defended Strong but you can't lose to Kansas.

[star seed 7]

I liked/defended Strong but you can't lose to Kansas.

Yup

[catastrophe]

1-17 when trailing at the half. Maybe Strong could build something at UT if given more time, but the in-game coaching so far actually seems pretty bad.

Where do you go to get stats like that? It would be interesting to see what record most coaches typically have when trailing at the half.

Saw it on the TV broadcast and then googled to double check.

I would expect any coach to have a losing record when trailing at the half, but to have almost no chance of overcoming a first half deficit has to be uncommon.

[Emo EMAW]

He's rich. He's a joke. 

I wish I was both of those together

Don't feel sorry for him. How they lost today (the way it played out) is almost as shocking as Tcu pulling off upset over Ku in hoops couple years back

Why is he a joke?

Losing against Kansas with his pick of Texas talent

Joke is a bit harsh, no? How about bad fit for UT? Not hot takey enough?

"Joke" is a bit too harsh.  However, there is no such thing as "bad fit for UT."   There are simply coaches-that cannot-win-with-every-advantage and those that can.

Some coaches don't do well in an environment where you have to give your top 5 donors handies behind the caddyshack because they are more powerful than the AD.

Some people don't do well in an environment where you have a top booster publicly dismissing you as a coordinator when you take the job and continues to air you out for your everyone tenure.

Oh no the mean man said mean things!

[kso_FAN]

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/campus-corner/article116194508.html

[MakeItRain]

1-17 when trailing at the half. Maybe Strong could build something at UT if given more time, but the in-game coaching so far actually seems pretty bad.

That's brutal.

[MakeItRain]

I changed my mind. The AD wants him to stay, Fenves has been publicly supportive, the players love him. I hope Fenves tells Red to GFY.

https://twitter.com/AnwarRichardson/status/800755267013148672

[Skipper44]

I would think it easier at UT to tell anyone booster to Gtfo than anywhere else. 

[ednksu]

I would think it easier at UT to tell anyone booster to Gtfo than anywhere else.

Go look at how many buildings, endowed positions, and a myriad of other things are named after McCombs.