GOP Battledome Trump v Ryan

[Rage Against the McKee]

Hard to compete with free crap hur hur hur


Maybe Republicans should just start small and not call Hispanics mostly rapists and thieves and a few good ones (maybe)

Yeah. Hopefully enough racists will die soon and people like Trump will stop representing the party.

[Emo EMAW]

Hard to compete with free crap hur hur hur


Maybe Republicans should just start small and not call Hispanics mostly rapists and thieves and a few good ones (maybe)

Who mentioned free crap?

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think the republicans would do themselves a lot of good if they had a meeting every year where they sit everyone down and explain exactly why they support the things they do, too. Like coal, for example. Maybe if they could articulate that supporting coal creates middle class jobs for uneducated people while lowering energy costs, that would be a better strategy than claiming that global warming doesn't exist.

[treysolid]

the problem with R's immigration policy:

"hey you, unemployed white guy, you want a job?"

"sure do"

"great, get in that field and pick artichokes for 14 hours a day"

"uh...no"

[Rage Against the McKee]

the problem with R's immigration policy:

"hey you, unemployed white guy, you want a job?"

"sure do"

"great, get in that field and pick artichokes for 14 hours a day"

"uh...no"

Yeah, pretty much. It's not like these employers are turning down US citizens so they can hire immigrants instead.

[treysolid]

I think the republicans would do themselves a lot of good if they had a meeting every year where they sit everyone down and explain exactly why they support the things they do, too. Like coal, for example. Maybe if they could articulate that supporting coal creates middle class jobs for uneducated people while lowering energy costs, that would be a better strategy than claiming that global warming doesn't exist.

it WOULD be great if they had those meetings, but it would also be great if they told the truth in those meetings. like how, the current global price of coal doesn't in fact support a glut of American middle class jobs.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think the republicans would do themselves a lot of good if they had a meeting every year where they sit everyone down and explain exactly why they support the things they do, too. Like coal, for example. Maybe if they could articulate that supporting coal creates middle class jobs for uneducated people while lowering energy costs, that would be a better strategy than claiming that global warming doesn't exist.

it WOULD be great if they had those meetings, but it would also be great if they told the truth in those meetings. like how, the current global price of coal doesn't in fact support a glut of American middle class jobs.

The price of coal would probably go up if there were new coal plants demanding it.

[CNS]

Ramping up coal is a pretty bad idea.

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[Dugout DickStone]

I think the republicans would do themselves a lot of good if they had a meeting every year where they sit everyone down and explain exactly why they support the things they do, too. Like coal, for example. Maybe if they could articulate that supporting coal creates middle class jobs for uneducated people while lowering energy costs, that would be a better strategy than claiming that global warming doesn't exist.

it WOULD be great if they had those meetings, but it would also be great if they told the truth in those meetings. like how, the current global price of coal doesn't in fact support a glut of American middle class jobs.

The price of coal would probably go up if there were new coal plants demanding it.

what's a coal plant?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Ramping up coal is a pretty bad idea.

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We should ease up clean air restrictions to the point that cost doesn't exceed benefit. Power companies will use whatever works best for them.

[treysolid]

I think the republicans would do themselves a lot of good if they had a meeting every year where they sit everyone down and explain exactly why they support the things they do, too. Like coal, for example. Maybe if they could articulate that supporting coal creates middle class jobs for uneducated people while lowering energy costs, that would be a better strategy than claiming that global warming doesn't exist.

it WOULD be great if they had those meetings, but it would also be great if they told the truth in those meetings. like how, the current global price of coal doesn't in fact support a glut of American middle class jobs.

The price of coal would probably go up if there were new coal plants demanding it.

If there was a demand for new coal plants, coal companies would probably be building them.

Ultimately, it comes down to the fact that we live in a post-industrial world, and as our demand for power continues to increase exponentially over the next century, we need to be moving towards new and cheaper modes of power generation (with an emphasis on clean power generation since the negative effects of pollution are compounded by population growth).

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think the republicans would do themselves a lot of good if they had a meeting every year where they sit everyone down and explain exactly why they support the things they do, too. Like coal, for example. Maybe if they could articulate that supporting coal creates middle class jobs for uneducated people while lowering energy costs, that would be a better strategy than claiming that global warming doesn't exist.

it WOULD be great if they had those meetings, but it would also be great if they told the truth in those meetings. like how, the current global price of coal doesn't in fact support a glut of American middle class jobs.

The price of coal would probably go up if there were new coal plants demanding it.

If there was a demand for new coal plants, coal companies would probably be building them.

Ultimately, it comes down to the fact that we live in a post-industrial world, and as our demand for power continues to increase exponentially over the next century, we need to be moving towards new and cheaper modes of power generation (with an emphasis on clean power generation since the negative effects of pollution are compounded by population growth).

I think that if you remove the excessive regulation, coal would be a whole lot cheaper than it is right now.

[treysolid]

I think the republicans would do themselves a lot of good if they had a meeting every year where they sit everyone down and explain exactly why they support the things they do, too. Like coal, for example. Maybe if they could articulate that supporting coal creates middle class jobs for uneducated people while lowering energy costs, that would be a better strategy than claiming that global warming doesn't exist.

it WOULD be great if they had those meetings, but it would also be great if they told the truth in those meetings. like how, the current global price of coal doesn't in fact support a glut of American middle class jobs.

The price of coal would probably go up if there were new coal plants demanding it.

If there was a demand for new coal plants, coal companies would probably be building them.

Ultimately, it comes down to the fact that we live in a post-industrial world, and as our demand for power continues to increase exponentially over the next century, we need to be moving towards new and cheaper modes of power generation (with an emphasis on clean power generation since the negative effects of pollution are compounded by population growth).

I think that if you remove the excessive regulation, coal would be a whole lot cheaper than it is right now.

but at what price to other economic sectors like healthcare and agriculture? energy doesn't exist in a vacuum.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Cheaper energy would help the agriculture sector and I don't believe loosening clean air regulations would have a huge impact on healthcare costs. I don't support completely eliminating all standards or anything crazy like that.

[sys]

interesting quote (harry enten).

The main fight for the Republican Party of the future is between cultural conservatives (Trump) and social conservatives (think Ted Cruz). The fiscal conservatives are a tiny faction. Someone like Ryan is lost.

[steve dave]

I'm happy to let the cultural and social conservatives kill each other to death

[CNS]

Social conservatives are not conservatives.  They are dictators of other people's personal lives.

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[michigancat]

What defines a "cultural conservative"?

[Rage Against the McKee]

What defines a "cultural conservative"?

racist, probably

[Emo EMAW]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_conservatism

Cultural conservatism is described as the preservation of the heritage of one nation, or of a shared culture that is not defined by national boundaries.[1][page needed] Other variants of cultural conservatism are concerned with culture attached to a given language such as Arabic.[citation needed]

The shared culture may be as divergent as Western culture or Chinese culture. In the United States, the term cultural conservative may imply a conservative position in the culture war. They believe strongly in traditional values and traditional politics, and often have an urgent sense of nationalism.[citation needed]

Cultural conservatism is distinct from social conservatism,[citation needed] although there are some overlaps. Social conservatives believe that the government has a role in encouraging or enforcing what they consider traditional values or behaviors. A social conservative wants to preserve traditional morality and social mores, often through civil law or regulation. Social change is generally regarded as suspect.

[treysolid]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_conservatism

Cultural conservatism is described as the preservation of the heritage of one nation, or of a shared culture that is not defined by national boundaries.[1][page needed] Other variants of cultural conservatism are concerned with culture attached to a given language such as Arabic.[citation needed]

The shared culture may be as divergent as Western culture or Chinese culture. In the United States, the term cultural conservative may imply a conservative position in the culture war. They believe strongly in traditional values and traditional politics, and often have an urgent sense of nationalism.[citation needed]

Cultural conservatism is distinct from social conservatism,[citation needed] although there are some overlaps. Social conservatives believe that the government has a role in encouraging or enforcing what they consider traditional values or behaviors. A social conservative wants to preserve traditional morality and social mores, often through civil law or regulation. Social change is generally regarded as suspect.

All of that sounds terrible.

[Dugout DickStone]

I'm happy to let the cultural and social conservatives kill each other to death

yeah that isn't working well though...

[MakeItRain]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_conservatism

Cultural conservatism is described as the preservation of the heritage of one nation, or of a shared culture that is not defined by national boundaries.[1][page needed] Other variants of cultural conservatism are concerned with culture attached to a given language such as Arabic.[citation needed]

The shared culture may be as divergent as Western culture or Chinese culture. In the United States, the term cultural conservative may imply a conservative position in the culture war. They believe strongly in traditional values and traditional politics, and often have an urgent sense of nationalism.[citation needed]

Cultural conservatism is distinct from social conservatism,[citation needed] although there are some overlaps. Social conservatives believe that the government has a role in encouraging or enforcing what they consider traditional values or behaviors. A social conservative wants to preserve traditional morality and social mores, often through civil law or regulation. Social change is generally regarded as suspect.

 

[Panjandrum]

interesting quote (harry enten).

The main fight for the Republican Party of the future is between cultural conservatives (Trump) and social conservatives (think Ted Cruz). The fiscal conservatives are a tiny faction. Someone like Ryan is lost.

Harry Enten is awesome.  Love his stuff.

I think "tiny" may be a little hyperbolic.  I think there's a pretty significant overlap between social and fiscal conservatives, but if pressed to pick one circle of the Venn diagram, they'd go with social in public/polling, but fiscal in the voting booth.

[Rage Against the McKee]

interesting quote (harry enten).

The main fight for the Republican Party of the future is between cultural conservatives (Trump) and social conservatives (think Ted Cruz). The fiscal conservatives are a tiny faction. Someone like Ryan is lost.

Harry Enten is awesome.  Love his stuff.

I think "tiny" may be a little hyperbolic.  I think there's a pretty significant overlap between social and fiscal conservatives, but if pressed to pick one circle of the Venn diagram, they'd go with social in public/polling, but fiscal in the voting booth.

Trump's performance in the primary indicates otherwise. Also, Ted Cruz was second.