Better or not?

[kslim]

I was wondering why we rarely seem to have receivers very open relative to the opposition and prior years. Is it primarily scheme, QB making poor decisions, or WRs running poor routes? It's some combo of the three, just wondering what is the driving factor was.  FAN?

obviously not _fan and i wont try to be but two things that stand out. We either run slants that are right into coverage or try deep post patterns. We rarely run outs crossing patterns or screens. This makes us predictable

Second if you notice when we are half ass running the ball the pass opens up more time and time again we just stop running the ball which again makes us predictable

I rough ridin' hate loving this team

[Skipper44]

Ertz has not been good at the pop pass, maybe he can throw a screen.  I have highly unrealistic  hopes that Pringle can be a little Q. Morgan like on the middle screen

[DOD Take 2]

I was wondering why we rarely seem to have receivers very open relative to the opposition and prior years. Is it primarily scheme, QB making poor decisions, or WRs running poor routes? It's some combo of the three, just wondering what is the driving factor was.  FAN?

obviously not _fan and i wont try to be but two things that stand out. We either run slants that are right into coverage or try deep post patterns. We rarely run outs crossing patterns or screens. This makes us predictable

Second if you notice when we are half ass running the ball the pass opens up more time and time again we just stop running the ball which again makes us predictable

I rough ridin' hate loving this team

I would disagree with the assertion that we don't get receivers very open. Last year and this year I recall quite a few times we've missed wide open guys. I think not completing a high percentage of those makes it seem that way. Also our QBs not being very good might mean they simply aren't locating those guys consistently.

[catastrophe]

Whether a receiver is "open" can largely be a function of the QB's timing.  Unless it's a completely blown assignment, you cannot throw to a guy after he is actually open or the defender will close the gap while the ball is in the air.

[kso_FAN]

Its really hard to tell on TV or even at games if receivers are really open.

I do think we have a much more talented group than last year, but to be fair to either QB, our receivers had some big drops yesterday as well.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I liked it when Kendall Adams almost killed that WR, and earlier in the game when he dropped Baker like rock. I also liked it when Elijah Lee almost killed Mixon. Our defense is pretty fun and i think we start like 6 frosh and soph.

On offense, I don't think we should do read option with a qb who cant do it. I like the quick passes, because we have recievers who can make plays when they catch the ball and the throw isnt garbage.

Joe Hubener should be battering ram only, and should be forbidden from ever checking into a pass again.

[michigancat]

I liked it when Kendall Adams almost killed that WR, and earlier in the game when he dropped Baker like rock. I also liked it when Elijah Lee almost killed Mixon. Our defense is pretty fun and i think we start like 6 frosh and soph.

On offense, I don't think we should do read option with a qb who cant do it. I like the quick passes, because we have recievers who can make plays when they catch the ball and the throw isnt garbage.

Joe Hubener should be battering ram only, and should be forbidden from ever checking into a pass again.

Are we blaming Hubes for checking into a pass on 4th and 2?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Does it matter if we finish 8th or 6th? Other than whatever garbage bowl we would go to that nobody watches? It kinda does I guess. Kinda.

It matters to me.

I'm definitely still in and I won't quit but if I were given a choice of 5-7 and a new staff or 7-6 with the same staff for 2017, I'm taking that 5-7 and running like Forrest Gump.

I kind of feel like Snyder is more likely to retire if he gets to 200 wins than if he finishes just a couple of games short.

[CNS]

I would imagine that Bill cares more about Sean being HC than about 200 wins.  That said, I am not an autistic OCD 77 year old football coach, so maybe I don't understand the draw of a round number like 200 after touching the door knob 5 times, turning the lights on and off 5 times, then driving around the block 5 times before actually heading home for the last time and calling it a career.

[Trim]

If he could get everything else to go his way, he'd be fine retiring at 199 because it would result in KSTATEO nation jerking each other off about how selfless he is to retire for what's best for the program rather than pursuing individual achievements.

[Gooch]

Proper mumped

Somebody has been watching Snatch.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think the best way to get rid of Snyder is to buy a cake and throw him a going away party. When he asks what's going on, "remind" him that he told you he was quitting yesterday and say "don't you remember?"

[CNS]

Maybe have Del or Dana there with you and say "Down, Set........", wait for Bill to look at Del for a new signal, and have Del yell "Retire!". 

[Cire]

Ertz would be fine if he could stay healthy, he's much better than hubener.


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[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I liked it when Kendall Adams almost killed that WR, and earlier in the game when he dropped Baker like rock. I also liked it when Elijah Lee almost killed Mixon. Our defense is pretty fun and i think we start like 6 frosh and soph.

On offense, I don't think we should do read option with a qb who cant do it. I like the quick passes, because we have recievers who can make plays when they catch the ball and the throw isnt garbage.

Joe Hubener should be battering ram only, and should be forbidden from ever checking into a pass again.

Are we blaming Hubes for checking into a pass on 4th and 2?

Yes, that was a ridiculous check.  I suppose we could blame the incompletion on the egregious hold on Pringle, but the throw was so bad it wouldn't have mattered.

[DQ12]

Ertz would be fine if he could stay healthy, he's much better than hubener.


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link?

[MakeItRain]

Ertz would be fine if he could stay healthy, he's much better than hubener.


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link?

FFS man, do you have memory loss, there is statistical proof in this damn thread.

[michigancat]

I liked it when Kendall Adams almost killed that WR, and earlier in the game when he dropped Baker like rock. I also liked it when Elijah Lee almost killed Mixon. Our defense is pretty fun and i think we start like 6 frosh and soph.

On offense, I don't think we should do read option with a qb who cant do it. I like the quick passes, because we have recievers who can make plays when they catch the ball and the throw isnt garbage.

Joe Hubener should be battering ram only, and should be forbidden from ever checking into a pass again.

Are we blaming Hubes for checking into a pass on 4th and 2?

Yes, that was a ridiculous check.  I suppose we could blame the incompletion on the egregious hold on Pringle, but the throw was so bad it wouldn't have mattered.

coaches get no blame here? Just the refs and Hubes?

[kso_FAN]

A great website called footballstudyhall.com does lots of research and calculations into advanced CFB stats. Several of their guys have put together work seeking to come up with factors of winning/losing similar to Ken Pomeroy's use of Dean Oliver's factors for college basketball. Out of that has come what they call 5 factors, first brought up by Bill Connelly: http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2014/1/24/5337968/college-football-five-factors

If you win the explosiveness battle (using PPP), you win 86 percent of the time.
If you win the efficency battle (using Success Rate), you win 83 percent of the time.
If you win the drive-finishing battle (using points per trip inside the 40), you win 75 percent of the time.
If you win the field position battle (using average starting field position), you win 72 percent of the time.
If you win the turnover battle (using turnover margin), you win 73 percent of the time.

Using some of his data (http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2016/10/16/13299970/week-7-five-factors-college-football-box-scores) I put together a little football version of the Big 12 advanced stats charts I make in basketball. I did use all games (not just Big 12 games) because the data from only 3 games for each team is pretty limited, plus it was easier to tabulate the data. Of course this will have some flaws because of SOS, etc, but I still think it is a pretty good comparison tool.

[MakeItRain]

So we're underachieving?

[kso_FAN]

So we're underachieving?

Yes, but we are inflated a bit by the 1.5 games vs FA and Mo State. Plus the combination of Big 12 schedule to this point.

[kso_FAN]

I may try Big 12 only. That will be a bit more tedious.

[Cire]

great stuff,

thanks _FAN

[CHONGS]

Thanks _FAN!

[kso_FAN]

Here are the Big 12 only numbers. Everyone has played 3 games except ISU (4) and WVU (2).