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Re: The United States-Over 5000 Nukes. But you . . . Iran . . .
« Reply #50 on: May 05, 2010, 01:08:34 PM »
Iran should not have nukes.  They are bad.

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« Reply #51 on: May 05, 2010, 01:23:04 PM »
Dax's main point seems to be:   Although Pakistan is unstable, they are allowed to have nukes so shouldn't an unstable Iran be allowed to have nukes?  I don't follow his reasoning on this point. 

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« Reply #52 on: May 05, 2010, 02:20:54 PM »
Dax's main point seems to be:   Although Pakistan is unstable, they are allowed to have nukes so shouldn't an unstable Iran be allowed to have nukes?  I don't follow his reasoning on this point. 

That was the point of my (apparently) overly simplistic Brady Bunch analogy.

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« Reply #53 on: May 05, 2010, 02:44:05 PM »
As far as Pakistan goes, yeah, we actually have plans to just "march in there and take them" if need be.

The goose steppers are missing the point here as always.  

Look at what we as a nation do, and then ask yourself why other nations react the way they do.  

Oh but wait, Barry W. Obama is now parroting the same Terra-ists lines and "can't let'm have nukes" lines of the previous administration and the Libratard ideologically driven useful idiots just line up and cheerlead.    

Just say no to war and U.S. hegemony . . . Unless a Democrat is president.



For a guy who has been closely analyzing the situation, you seem a bit out of the loop.  

1.  Nations have been acting in their sole best interests since the advent of the nation-state.

2.  It is not in the US's best interests to allow Iran to become another nation in possession of deployable nuclear technology.  

3.  Profit.

To take it a step further, and as someone who has spent countless hours and tons of banwidth closely monitoring the situation you are no doubt aware, Iran has done nothing short of attack our troops in Iraq.  They have waged armed war against our troops in Iraq.  I would like a list of countries who would provide a country they are in armed conflict with access to nuclear weapons if they could at all prevent it.



Geez Limestone . . . that's straight out the Blackwater/XE CEO's "Why the DOD needs us . . . because we can get around all that tricky legislative stuff" Handbook.   He's running around lobbying hard about how "evil" Iran is and how the administration and the DOD should be using them in a role to fight Iran because by gosh we just won't have the oversight that the U.S. military forces will have.   Why not I guess, XE already works hand in hand with the CIA in the illegal state sanctioned assassination program in Pakistan.  

Lots of war drum banging from a lot of folks over a country that to date hasn't been officially confirmed to have broken any IAEA provisions and if they did, it was at such a small scale it was essentially insignificant . . . but hey Hillary the War Monger says they're a "rogue nation" so it must be true right??  (Damn, this sounds so familiar).    Oh wait, wait . . . they "broke laws" by not telling the IAEA in a timely fashion about certain facilities.   Funny how they would act that way considering that Israel has a tendency to bomb things like that whether they're used for peaceful purposes or not.    Hillary apparently doesn't know the difference between non compliance and actual violations.   

So let's review:

The UN has confirmed that Iran does not have the capability enrich uranium up the levels necessary, and said back in Oct. of 2009 that Iran gave up it's nuclear ambitions 7 years ago.

The announcement of facilities has only been a "surprise" to US media and their propaganda puppets . . . U.S. intelligence says they've known about the facilities for years (again this sounds so damn familiar).

Iran has no aircraft carriers, space based weapons, strategic bombers, nothing but a regional navy, no military bases on U.S. borders, and missiles that can barely be called ballistic and have at best rudimentary guidance systems.

Oh yeah . . . hey didn't Iran decide to stop trading Oil in Dollars awhile back??   Hmmmm . . .

When is the IAEA going to be allowed to inspect the 75-200 nukes that Israel has . . . wait . . . what??

Funny thing is, political propagandist have been trying to vilify Iran on the Nuke Front for 25 years after the revolution . .   if you go back and read what some of them have said, Iran should have had nukes by 1990 . . . but the Iranian leadership wasn't vilified at all when the Shah announced their nuclear intentions as early as 1974 . . . funny  huh??  




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Re: The United States-Over 5000 Nukes. But you . . . Iran . . .
« Reply #54 on: May 05, 2010, 03:21:07 PM »
As far as Pakistan goes, yeah, we actually have plans to just "march in there and take them" if need be.

The goose steppers are missing the point here as always.  

Look at what we as a nation do, and then ask yourself why other nations react the way they do.  

Oh but wait, Barry W. Obama is now parroting the same Terra-ists lines and "can't let'm have nukes" lines of the previous administration and the Libratard ideologically driven useful idiots just line up and cheerlead.    

Just say no to war and U.S. hegemony . . . Unless a Democrat is president.



For a guy who has been closely analyzing the situation, you seem a bit out of the loop.  

1.  Nations have been acting in their sole best interests since the advent of the nation-state.

2.  It is not in the US's best interests to allow Iran to become another nation in possession of deployable nuclear technology.  

3.  Profit.

To take it a step further, and as someone who has spent countless hours and tons of banwidth closely monitoring the situation you are no doubt aware, Iran has done nothing short of attack our troops in Iraq.  They have waged armed war against our troops in Iraq.  I would like a list of countries who would provide a country they are in armed conflict with access to nuclear weapons if they could at all prevent it.



Geez Limestone . . . that's straight out the Blackwater/XE CEO's "Why the DOD needs us . . . because we can get around all that tricky legislative stuff" Handbook.   He's running around lobbying hard about how "evil" Iran is and how the administration and the DOD should be using them in a role to fight Iran because by gosh we just won't have the oversight that the U.S. military forces will have.   Why not I guess, XE already works hand in hand with the CIA in the illegal state sanctioned assassination program in Pakistan.  

Lots of war drum banging from a lot of folks over a country that to date hasn't been officially confirmed to have broken any IAEA provisions and if they did, it was at such a small scale it was essentially insignificant . . . but hey Hillary the War Monger says they're a "rogue nation" so it must be true right??  (Damn, this sounds so familiar).    Oh wait, wait . . . they "broke laws" by not telling the IAEA in a timely fashion about certain facilities.   Funny how they would act that way considering that Israel has a tendency to bomb things like that whether they're used for peaceful purposes or not.    Hillary apparently doesn't know the difference between non compliance and actual violations.   

So let's review:

The UN has confirmed that Iran does not have the capability enrich uranium up the levels necessary, and said back in Oct. of 2009 that Iran gave up it's nuclear ambitions 7 years ago.

The announcement of facilities has only been a "surprise" to US media and their propaganda puppets . . . U.S. intelligence says they've known about the facilities for years (again this sounds so damn familiar).

Iran has no aircraft carriers, space based weapons, strategic bombers, nothing but a regional navy, no military bases on U.S. borders, and missiles that can barely be called ballistic and have at best rudimentary guidance systems.

Oh yeah . . . hey didn't Iran decide to stop trading Oil in Dollars awhile back??   Hmmmm . . .

When is the IAEA going to be allowed to inspect the 75-200 nukes that Israel has . . . wait . . . what??

Funny thing is, political propagandist have been trying to vilify Iran on the Nuke Front for 25 years after the revolution . .   if you go back and read what some of them have said, Iran should have had nukes by 1990 . . . but the Iranian leadership wasn't vilified at all when the Shah announced their nuclear intentions as early as 1974 . . . funny  huh??  






How do I respond to a post that doesn't respond to mine?

Do you dispute that Iranians are involved in both supplying Iraqi insurgents and actually participating in armed combat (well, actually dressing like women, planting IEDs and hiding in schools) with our soldiers?

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Re: The United States-Over 5000 Nukes. But you . . . Iran . . .
« Reply #55 on: May 05, 2010, 04:46:47 PM »
Do I dispute it??  I don't know, who is saying this?? 

We ever support any armed insurgencies over the course of history Limestone??


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« Reply #56 on: May 05, 2010, 05:01:21 PM »
I still don't understand if Dax is trying to make a point of some kind or just using this thread as an opportunity to display the knowledge he has accumulated over several months of careful study.

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« Reply #57 on: May 05, 2010, 05:13:54 PM »
People will line up to support war based almost solely on the letter that's next to the name of the president.




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« Reply #58 on: May 05, 2010, 07:49:40 PM »
People will line up to support war based almost solely on the letter that's next to the name of the president.





No need to go to war, Israel will do the dirty work.   Actual enforcement of sanctions would probably do the trick.  I don't disagree with your premise of us sounding hypocritical on the issue because we are,  Iran doesn't bother me with conventional weapons its the sale of arms to hezbollah, hamas, etc.  Yes, this could happen with pakistan as well and I am just as concerned with that.

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Re: The United States-Over 5000 Nukes. But you . . . Iran . . .
« Reply #59 on: May 06, 2010, 11:01:05 AM »
Do I dispute it??  I don't know, who is saying this?? 

We ever support any armed insurgencies over the course of history Limestone??



Your careful study is for crap then.  Go read another Soldier of Fortune magazine.

We haven't supported any that are in direct combat with our troops, so that is a bit of a distinction, don't you think?

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« Reply #60 on: May 06, 2010, 05:52:44 PM »
You're a good "patriot" Limestone, you'll always believe everything Fox News tells you.


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Re: The United States-Over 5000 Nukes. But you . . . Iran . . .
« Reply #61 on: May 06, 2010, 06:46:56 PM »
What possible good can come from allowing Iran to have nukes, 'Pad?




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« Reply #62 on: May 06, 2010, 08:15:49 PM »
So Ben you would be for pre-emptive war in order to stop Iran from having Nukes??

But again, it hasn't been officially established on any level that Iran is building the bomb.

But it's good to see you'll willingly swallow the propaganda as long as a Democrat is President.  

Sad how ideologically driven most Americans are.




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« Reply #63 on: May 06, 2010, 08:17:45 PM »
You're a good "patriot" Limestone, you'll always believe everything Fox News tells you.




Or my older brother who fought Iranians in Iraq.

I know for a fact that you know US troops are engaging iranians in Iraq. 

FTR, the iranians are the biggest pussies in the mideast. 

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« Reply #64 on: May 06, 2010, 08:19:54 PM »
Limestone . . . has the U.S. ever overthrown the democratically elected government of Iran??


Would the U.S. be fighting Iranians in Iraq if the U.S. hadn't invaded Iraq??



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« Reply #65 on: May 06, 2010, 08:27:03 PM »
Limestone . . . has the U.S. ever overthrown the democratically elected government of Iran??


Would the U.S. be fighting Iranians in Iraq if the U.S. hadn't invaded Iraq??




My extensive research and monitoring indicates that US assets played a role in destabilizing their gov't, yes.  See how easy it is to admit facts? 

I thought you said the US wasn't fighting Iranians in Iraq?  Which does your research and monitoring indicate?

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« Reply #66 on: May 06, 2010, 08:33:17 PM »
I am just playing along Limestone, don't get  your jackboots all in a mess.

So who has officially confirmed that we are "fighting" Iranians in Iraq? We're also fighting Jordanians, and Saudi Arabians, and many other non Iraqi's . . . that's what happens when you invade a country on false pretenses.

Has the U.S. ever supported "Freedom Fighters" Limestone??


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« Reply #67 on: May 06, 2010, 08:38:42 PM »
I am just playing along Limestone, don't get  your jackboots all in a mess.

So who has officially confirmed that we are "fighting" Iranians in Iraq? We're also fighting Jordanians, and Saudi Arabians, and many other non Iraqi's . . . that's what happens when you invade a country on false pretenses.

Has the U.S. ever supported "Freedom Fighters" Limestone??



meh, you admitted it.  This discussion is just fruitless now.  The US will never let a country we are fighting become nuclear capable.  So sue them, but it seems pretty shrewd to me.

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« Reply #68 on: May 06, 2010, 08:49:47 PM »
I didn't admit to anything in regards to Iranians . . . so could you please point to me to non U.S./non NATO sources that clarify that indeed U.S. forces are fighting directly against Iranian's supported directly by the Iranian government.

So I guess we can chalk you up as being for pre-emptive War against Iran, even though it has not been established on any official level that Iran is in fact seeking Nuclear Weapons.    This sounds so familiar.

Also . . . it was a simple question, has the United States ever supported "freedom fighter" types??



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« Reply #69 on: May 07, 2010, 09:25:41 AM »
I didn't admit to anything in regards to Iranians . . . so could you please point to me to non U.S./non NATO sources that clarify that indeed U.S. forces are fighting directly against Iranian's supported directly by the Iranian government.

So I guess we can chalk you up as being for pre-emptive War against Iran, even though it has not been established on any official level that Iran is in fact seeking Nuclear Weapons.    This sounds so familiar.

Also . . . it was a simple question, has the United States ever supported "freedom fighter" types??




Unless you are a Native American, you are as an imperialist as anyone.  Give back your land to those your ancestors took it from through force, or you are no better than a West Bank settler.

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« Reply #70 on: May 07, 2010, 11:58:01 AM »
You reached deep for that Red Herring Limestone . . . I am proud of you.

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« Reply #71 on: May 07, 2010, 03:26:53 PM »
So Ben you would be for pre-emptive war in order to stop Iran from having Nukes??

But again, it hasn't been officially established on any level that Iran is building the bomb.

But it's good to see you'll willingly swallow the propaganda as long as a Democrat is President.  

Sad how ideologically driven most Americans are.








WTF are you blabbering about?  I simply asked what good could possibly come from allowing Iran to have nukes.  It seems to me like you're the type of guy that just has to always be complaining about something. 
 



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« Reply #72 on: May 07, 2010, 04:02:41 PM »
That's funny coming from a kid who is perpetually bitching about what K-State fans say about ku.


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« Reply #73 on: May 07, 2010, 11:05:51 PM »
That's funny coming from a kid who is perpetually bitching about what K-State fans say about ku.


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« Reply #74 on: May 08, 2010, 11:31:31 AM »
What a mess . . . and we're tits deep in that quagmire.