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Re: How In The Hell Did We Let Brad Underwood Get Away?
« Reply #125 on: March 10, 2021, 12:26:15 PM »
ISU literally interviewed him and Steve Prohm in the same cycle... and chose Steve Prohm. I hate everything.
I'm pretty sure we could have had him when we hired oscar. But maybe not!

That's interesting because it would have represented his first break, but it would have come by sacrificing Frank and Jamar. I think he would not have passed on working for Currie and his crew of shitbirds.

I heard at the time that he was willing to stay on as an associate head coach under the new coach.  Currie promised him a job prior to making the hire and then let oscar do what he wanted with staff, leading Brad to go to South Carolina.

First of all, I definitely misstated what I was trying to say. I was attempting to say that I don't think he would have stayed and worked for Currie.

I do wonder about him offering to work as an associate head coach for Coach X instead of following Frank to South Carolina to perform the same role. If oscar didn't get the job Steve Alford probably did. Can you really envision Brad staying here to work for oscar, who had just gotten fired for performance, or Steve Alford, the coach of New Mexico? I don't feel like that makes sense.

I don't know how well Brad fits with the other coaches but I think he was immensely qualified to coach offense specifically.  I generally hate it when administrators force assistant hires as I think it undermines the HC right out of the gate.

People who act like they knew what we had in Brad from the get go are the worst. Nothing suggested it with his previous HC gigs at Dodge City and Daytona Beach. Also, we just hired from within once Huggy left and people would have bitched hiring from within again, if we did it after Frank left. They would have called it a lazy offer. I do enjoy the hindsighters tho, who think they knew what we had all along. GTFOOH!

I viewed Brad as the worst acceptable hire once we lost Frank and I put oscar beneath that.  I don't know why people (media?) would complain about hiring from within again after Frank was successful here.  Most people were pretty ok with hiring from within once Huggs left as that was the only way we were keeping the recruiting class, even if we were gambling on a relatively unknown in Frank.

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Re: How In The Hell Did We Let Brad Underwood Get Away?
« Reply #126 on: March 10, 2021, 12:57:29 PM »
I remember him helping fix our offense, when Frank was lost, but I wouldn't say people would have lept out of their chairs in joy if we retained him.

Of course not. He needed to go out and prove himself elsewhere. He’s done so 1000 times over at this point.

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Re: How In The Hell Did We Let Brad Underwood Get Away?
« Reply #127 on: March 10, 2021, 01:04:06 PM »
Yeah, I definitely wasn't happy about the oscar hire either. I just accepted it over time and you're absolutely right. Brad has proven himself a million times. I love me some Brad, I just think it's a long shot.

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Re: How In The Hell Did We Let Brad Underwood Get Away?
« Reply #128 on: March 10, 2021, 01:07:44 PM »
Brad had  proven himself with his success at SFA. Everything else he’s done is just gravy. He was absolutely the best option during oscar cratering 1.0. He continues to be the best option amid oscar Cratering 2.0.

Imo it isn’t close.

How realistic of an option he was with Currie as AD is definitely a valid question. I don’t think his availability is a huge concern this go ‘round. He has proven to be willing to jump jobs. I do think he would leave Illinois for KSU.
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Re: How In The Hell Did We Let Brad Underwood Get Away?
« Reply #129 on: March 10, 2021, 01:25:38 PM »
Brad had  proven himself with his success at SFA. Everything else he’s done is just gravy. He was absolutely the best option during oscar cratering 1.0. He continues to be the best option amid oscar Cratering 2.0.

Imo it isn’t close.

How realistic of an option he was with Currie as AD is definitely a valid question. I don’t think his availability is a huge concern this go ‘round. He has proven to be willing to jump jobs. I do think he would leave Illinois for KSU.

I think he would too if we could figure out a reasonable way to deal with the buyout. 

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Re: How In The Hell Did We Let Brad Underwood Get Away?
« Reply #130 on: March 10, 2021, 01:53:01 PM »
I viewed Brad as the worst acceptable hire once we lost Frank and I put oscar beneath that.  I don't know why people (media?) would complain about hiring from within again after Frank was successful here.  Most people were pretty ok with hiring from within once Huggs left as that was the only way we were keeping the recruiting class, even if we were gambling on a relatively unknown in Frank.

Yeah, this is where I was back then, I would of been OKAY with it but not super excited. I really wanted to snag Brad when he had SFA cooking while oscar was imploding.

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Re: How In The Hell Did We Let Brad Underwood Get Away?
« Reply #131 on: March 10, 2021, 02:17:09 PM »
I will buy season tickets and actually go to games if Brad comes home.  I might even get them in section 17.
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Re: How In The Hell Did We Let Brad Underwood Get Away?
« Reply #132 on: March 10, 2021, 02:27:38 PM »
Can Cares Act funding be used on a coach buyout? 
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Re: How In The Hell Did We Let Brad Underwood Get Away?
« Reply #133 on: March 10, 2021, 02:31:55 PM »
Think about hiring Brad, getting Pullen/Beasley retired, Bramlage/OOD (it'd be back) renovations. That crap balled up gives me chills.

I feel like the initial rush of fundraising/tickets would pay for all the buyouts (although I do agree they are excessive as they stand).

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Re: How In The Hell Did We Let Brad Underwood Get Away?
« Reply #134 on: March 10, 2021, 02:48:22 PM »
Is it really that far fetched to think Brad would take the KSU job if it came open?  I assume money is no object for donors if he is the candidate.

Yes, it is. Why would he take a job here, like what's the upside? He's already built the program up at Illinois, why would he start over? His 2021 class is deep in the 50's but it's only because he has a two player class and both players are top 150 players. It's possible that both of his best players, Dosunmu and Cockburn both stay, neither are projected into the lottery. If they both come back Illinois will be the preseason #1 team in the country next year, lol if any of you think he's going to leave that for a team with 7 conference wins the last two years.

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Re: How In The Hell Did We Let Brad Underwood Get Away?
« Reply #135 on: March 10, 2021, 03:08:55 PM »
Is it really that far fetched to think Brad would take the KSU job if it came open?  I assume money is no object for donors if he is the candidate.

Yes, it is. Why would he take a job here, like what's the upside? He's already built the program up at Illinois, why would he start over? His 2021 class is deep in the 50's but it's only because he has a two player class and both players are top 150 players. It's possible that both of his best players, Dosunmu and Cockburn both stay, neither are projected into the lottery. If they both come back Illinois will be the preseason #1 team in the country next year, lol if any of you think he's going to leave that for a team with 7 conference wins the last two years.

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Re: How In The Hell Did We Let Brad Underwood Get Away?
« Reply #136 on: March 10, 2021, 03:16:11 PM »
Is it really that far fetched to think Brad would take the KSU job if it came open?  I assume money is no object for donors if he is the candidate.

Yes, it is. Why would he take a job here, like what's the upside? He's already built the program up at Illinois, why would he start over? His 2021 class is deep in the 50's but it's only because he has a two player class and both players are top 150 players. It's possible that both of his best players, Dosunmu and Cockburn both stay, neither are projected into the lottery. If they both come back Illinois will be the preseason #1 team in the country next year, lol if any of you think he's going to leave that for a team with 7 conference wins the last two years.

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Re: How In The Hell Did We Let Brad Underwood Get Away?
« Reply #137 on: March 10, 2021, 03:38:27 PM »
I could see Brad taking the job here.  KSU is being mentioned in his buyout clauses for a reason.  He is also close with Huggs who made a similar move even with GRCOAT coming in (granted to a better situation at WVU).  You are right that it's not a practical move but he pretty clearly loves it here.

I'm not saying we could definitely get him, but it wouldn't surprise me.  I think this year would be particularly challenging given the success of the Illini and his buyout but I fully expect oscar to return anyways.

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Re: How In The Hell Did We Let Brad Underwood Get Away?
« Reply #138 on: March 10, 2021, 04:46:20 PM »
I would be absolutely shocked if he came here from Illinois this season. Unless he has an evil athletic director who sabatoges his NCAA tournament.

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Re: How In The Hell Did We Let Brad Underwood Get Away?
« Reply #139 on: March 10, 2021, 05:13:58 PM »
I will buy season tickets and actually go to games if Brad comes home.  I might even get them in section 17.

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Re: How In The Hell Did We Let Brad Underwood Get Away?
« Reply #140 on: March 10, 2021, 05:24:51 PM »
I could see Brad taking the job here.  KSU is being mentioned in his buyout clauses for a reason. He is also close with Huggs who made a similar move even with GRCOAT coming in (granted to a better situation at WVU).  You are right that it's not a practical move but he pretty clearly loves it here.

I'm not saying we could definitely get him, but it wouldn't surprise me.  I think this year would be particularly challenging given the success of the Illini and his buyout but I fully expect oscar to return anyways.
Is this true?  I've looked and I haven't been able to find his Illinois contract.


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Re: How In The Hell Did We Let Brad Underwood Get Away?
« Reply #141 on: March 10, 2021, 07:06:44 PM »
it was in his SFA contract, doubtful on OSU and Illinois

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Re: How In The Hell Did We Let Brad Underwood Get Away?
« Reply #142 on: March 10, 2021, 07:15:58 PM »
If Brad wants to be here his buyout isn’t an issue. 
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Re: How In The Hell Did We Let Brad Underwood Get Away?
« Reply #143 on: March 10, 2021, 07:39:56 PM »
it was in his SFA contract, doubtful on OSU and Illinois

The reduced buyout for K-State? It was in his Oklahoma State contact too.

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Re: How In The Hell Did We Let Brad Underwood Get Away?
« Reply #144 on: March 11, 2021, 08:22:55 AM »
I could see Brad taking the job here.  KSU is being mentioned in his buyout clauses for a reason. He is also close with Huggs who made a similar move even with GRCOAT coming in (granted to a better situation at WVU).  You are right that it's not a practical move but he pretty clearly loves it here.

I'm not saying we could definitely get him, but it wouldn't surprise me.  I think this year would be particularly challenging given the success of the Illini and his buyout but I fully expect oscar to return anyways.
Is this true?  I've looked and I haven't been able to find his Illinois contract.

I don't think Illinois but know it was for OSU/SFA.  Perhaps Illinois is right though and they feel as though their job is good enough that they aren't particularly worried

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Re: How In The Hell Did We Let Brad Underwood Get Away?
« Reply #145 on: March 11, 2021, 10:06:52 AM »
Not to dig into this rabbit hole any more than needed, but Brad would be acquire a talented, young roster.  The cupboards are not bare. 
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Re: How In The Hell Did We Let Brad Underwood Get Away?
« Reply #146 on: April 05, 2021, 04:57:05 AM »
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