The Bible

[catastrophe]

What does the bible say about cannibalism? Is it as bad as pork?

Probably worse. If you're talking about Jewish laws again, then there are plenty prohibiting touching a dead body, so cannibalism is pretty much off limits. Alternatively if you are talking about eating a person while they are still alive then that probably falls under murder.

[star seed 7]

Pretty conceited to think you know god's intentions and the rest of the world are false teachers

[fun muffin]

For those who don't know who I am, I already know the answer to this.

It is impossible and stupid to think that good can be assigned to any person based on their merit. There isn't a reasonable equation to make it work. Whether my cannibal or any other, every person will commit enough "bad" that no "good" they do can cover it enough to make them "good" again. We're all "bad" and if we're honest we know it's true.

That is where Christianity distinguishes itself by fully relying on another, Jesus, who through a perfect, sinless life, and a sacrifice, can wipe the "bad" from any person based on a repentance and reliance on Him. A gift of grace, through no merit of our own. We don't deserve it and we don't earn it, only can accept it.

It simply can't make sense any other way. Ya know?

The perfect cop out. Jesus was perfect so I can be a POS and it's ok? Consider me a Christian.

Not so fast bucket.  Just because Jesus 100% forgives whoever would believe in him doesn't give the Christian license to continue in sin.  Paul's line of thought in Romans 6 addresses this.  "Are we to continue to sin that grace may abound?  By no means!  How can we who died to sin still live in it."

What if after you were forgiven and intended to be a good person again, but you couldn't help yourself?  Does it reset if you had the 'right intentions' to not sin again, over and over?

That is why Paul wrote the very next chapter Romans 7.  Here Paul says starting in verse 18, "For I know nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh.  For I have the desire to do what is right, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing......Wretched man that I am!  Who will deliver me from this body of death?  Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! 

Ultimately God sees and knows the depths of our hearts.  He can determine if a person is truly repentant.  A truly repentant person would not take advantage of God's grace and go on sinning deliberately.  Now just because a person genuinely repents doesn't mean they won't still sin.  They will now have new desires to fight sin.  Not look for excuses to indulge in it.  And when the Christian does sin, they look to Jesus.  For his mercies are new every morning.

I hope PW is taking notes, this is how you don't condescend and actually talk openly about religion from that perspective.  I can roll with this fun muffin

I'm happy to help.  I truly believe there is nothing more important in the world than this.  So if any goemawers have any questions I'll do what I can.   Feel free to pm.  I've got some seminary teaching under my belt, and I'm planning on getting more in the next few years. 


fwiw PW and I have very similar beliefs.  (as far as I can tell.)

[Rage Against the McKee]

What does the bible say about cannibalism? Is it as bad as pork?

Probably worse. If you're talking about Jewish laws again, then there are plenty prohibiting touching a dead body, so cannibalism is pretty much off limits. Alternatively if you are talking about eating a person while they are still alive then that probably falls under murder.

Well they're cannibals, not monsters. Of course the person would already be dead before they start eating.

[fun muffin]

Pretty conceited to think you know god's intentions and the rest of the world are false teachers

God's intentions are revealed in the Bible.  It's easy to tell who's listening or not. 

[fun muffin]

What happens if you sin and then get killed before you had time to ask God for forgiveness?

The Bible is quite clear on this.  Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.  No one goes to the Father (to heaven) except through Him.  Any person who does not believe/trust in Jesus will be separated from God. 

This is the problem that all people have.  Everyone has sinned.  Everyone will endure God's wrath.  This is because God is just.  And because he is just he will punish all evil.  He alone sets the standard for what is right and what is evil.  It takes just one sin to separate us from a Holy and perfect God.  But of course we sin constantly everyday.  Our situation is hopeless apart from Christ. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

I don't sin all that often. Certainly not constantly every day.

[renocat]

All are.born sinners.

[catastrophe]

Pretty conceited to think you know god's intentions and the rest of the world are false teachers

I get this line of thinking, but if you believe there is an ultimate truth that has an impact on our lives on Earth then you kind of have to place your faith in something and make an effort to understand what that truth is and how it affects you.

No one who is a good Christian (or any faith based religion) claims to understand what is true or false without admittedly relying on what has been revealed to them by God (or who/whatever). It's ultimately an exercise in faith, not pride.

[Mrs. Gooch]

What happens if you sin and then get killed before you had time to ask God for forgiveness?

The Bible is quite clear on this.  Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.  No one goes to the Father (to heaven) except through Him.  Any person who does not believe/trust in Jesus will be separated from God. 

This is the problem that all people have.  Everyone has sinned.  Everyone will endure God's wrath.  This is because God is just.  And because he is just he will punish all evil.  He alone sets the standard for what is right and what is evil.  It takes just one sin to separate us from a Holy and perfect God.  But of course we sin constantly everyday.  Our situation is hopeless apart from Christ.

So, since you didn't really directly answer my question, here's what I took from your answer...There is no way to get to God except through Jesus and any sin (even one little one) separates us from God and therefore we have to ask for forgiveness (through Jesus) every time we sin. So if we have already asked God to save us (through Jesus) but then we sin again (which everyone will) then we must again ask for forgiveness (through Jesus) before we can get un-seperated from God again and go to Heaven...therefore if we die at a time that we are separated from God (have committed a sin that has not yet been asked forgiveness for) then we will go to Hell. So unless you die right after you asked for forgiveness then you are going to Hell basically.

[yoga-like_abana]

Didn't we have like a 30 page thread on this already?

[star seed 7]

What happens if you sin and then get killed before you had time to ask God for forgiveness?

The Bible is quite clear on this.  Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.  No one goes to the Father (to heaven) except through Him.  Any person who does not believe/trust in Jesus will be separated from God. 

This is the problem that all people have.  Everyone has sinned.  Everyone will endure God's wrath.  This is because God is just.  And because he is just he will punish all evil.  He alone sets the standard for what is right and what is evil.  It takes just one sin to separate us from a Holy and perfect God.  But of course we sin constantly everyday.  Our situation is hopeless apart from Christ.

So, since you didn't really directly answer my question, here's what I took from your answer...There is no way to get to God except through Jesus and any sin (even one little one) separates us from God and therefore we have to ask for forgiveness (through Jesus) every time we sin. So if we have already asked God to save us (through Jesus) but then we sin again (which everyone will) then we must again ask for forgiveness (through Jesus) before we can get un-seperated from God again and go to Heaven...therefore if we die at a time that we are separated from God (have committed a sin that has not yet been asked forgiveness for) then we will go to Hell. So unless you die right after you asked for forgiveness then you are going to Hell basically.

Anything else would be a false teaching

[PoetWarrior]

Mrs. Gooch, your person does not go to hell if they have a true belief in Jesus. They should be continually repentant thru life but whether that includes the very last sin of their life isn't an issue, as long as they died holding onto their redeeming belief in Christ.

[PoetWarrior]

What I always desire to hear in these discussions is the system with which the non Christians feel is answering these questions. It seems to me that you'd like to have real answers, but rarely suggest any. Instead we listen to everyone's shallow knowledge of the Bible.

You gotta have a reason for why you think and act the way you do OR admit you don't care and don't have a clue.

[renocat]

Mrs. Gooch, your person does not go to hell if they have a true belief in Jesus. They should be continually repentant thru life but whether that includes the very last sin of their life isn't an issue, as long as they died holding onto their redeeming belief in Christ.

Well said.  Everyone wants.to know.what they have to do for redemption from sin.  Such as.asking for forgiveness.  You will be sinning while asking for forgiveness.  Christ has done the work and we are given a free gift of salvation that is ours by believing in the death and resurrection of Jesus. So if you die in faith in Jesus you will have.eternal life.

[PoetWarrior]

I don't sin all that often. Certainly not constantly every day.

But surely you don't think of yourself as a "good" person.

[michigancat]

Is considering yourself to be a "good person" a sin? Seems like it could be.

[420seriouscat69]

Seems pretty narcissistic.

[PoetWarrior]

You haven't seen a Christian in this thread making that claim.

[CNS]

There is no afterlife.  Heaven and Hell are both right here.  You choose which you live in by your actions. 

[Dugout DickStone]

the entire basis of most current form christian religions is that you are a piece of trash who deserves to burn in eternal hellfire despite there being almost nothing in the actual bible that says that.

that's why hell was thrown in later

[star seed 7]

There is no afterlife.  Heaven and Hell are both right here.  You choose which you live in by your actions.

Yes!

[sys]

note to self for invention - app for fitbit to detect pulse irregularities and buzz to remind soon-to-be-dying christians to repent before they lose consciousness.

[PoetWarrior]

There is no afterlife.  Heaven and Hell are both right here.  You choose which you live in by your actions.

Yes!

If this crap life is all we have to look forward to then we have it pretty rough.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I don't sin all that often. Certainly not constantly every day.

But surely you don't think of yourself as a "good" person.

I surely do. And I'm Christian, too!