Now it has to be said. Declare your choice for President.

[MakeItRain]

Rand fails the first two

I think he says that because that is his compromise to be a part of the 'pub party.  I mean, he is basically the R's Bernie.

He wants to defund Planned Parenthood which interferes with my body if my body wants to go get a service from Planned Parenthood.

If by "interfere with my body" you mean cutting off tax dollars to a group that will gladly insert instruments into your body to kill a human life, and if that's actually more important to you than every other issue you posted, then I guess you'd better go Dem.

As one of the few conservatives on this board who is not a sock or a mouth breathing idiot, don't you feel some obligation not to sound like a stark raving lunatic when talking to moderates with legit questions?

[star seed 7]

Also killing babies is illegal

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

any law forces or dictates morality. that's why stealing is illegal.

Stealing has a victim. Drug use would have been a better example.

Yes, the things I don't want dictated are who a person can marry, what they put into their own body (junk food, drugs,penises, whatever), etc.

Good luck with finding someone willing to advocate for the legalization of meth.

Anyone who has left the suburbs for even a second should know what a serious problem drug use is in this country, and the significant negative impact on entire communities. The idea that drug use is reserved for recreational Saturday evenings after the kids are in bed is so incredibly obtuse.

Agreed. I'm not even sure how I feel about the legalization of weed. We have multiple issues with drug sentencing in this country but I'm not sure the answer to those issues is legalization.

Well crap. It happened again. MIR said something I agree with.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Rand fails the first two

I think he says that because that is his compromise to be a part of the 'pub party.  I mean, he is basically the R's Bernie.

He wants to defund Planned Parenthood which interferes with my body if my body wants to go get a service from Planned Parenthood.

If by "interfere with my body" you mean cutting off tax dollars to a group that will gladly insert instruments into your body to kill a human life, and if that's actually more important to you than every other issue you posted, then I guess you'd better go Dem.

As one of the few conservatives on this board who is not a sock or a mouth breathing idiot, don't you feel some obligation not to sound like a stark raving lunatic when talking to moderates with legit questions?

No, because there's nothing "moderate" about abortion. Abortion is evil. That doesn't mean all abortion supporters are evil - just that they haven't thought deeply enough about the issue to recognize that it is evil. So I'll explain that to them. And I typically start with the illusion that human lives aren't worth protecting simply because they haven't yet "broken the plane."

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Rand fails the first two

I think he says that because that is his compromise to be a part of the 'pub party.  I mean, he is basically the R's Bernie.

He wants to defund Planned Parenthood which interferes with my body if my body wants to go get a service from Planned Parenthood.

Defunding planned parenthood is stopping some of the wealth redistribution that you just said you don't want.

I said I don't want them to increase taxes by a lot to redistribute wealth. I don't mind keeping it the same or increase a little bit in order to keep poor people from getting poorer (by having unwanted kids).

I agree, but does that really go far enough? What about the kids who have already been born? Poor people should be able to take their unwanted offspring to a facility to be euthanized. At least until the age they become "viable."

They do currently have facilities that people can take their unwanted children. (not to be euthanised, but to get rid of them)

Oh good. So what's the economic basis for killing them in the womb? And should we be deciding who lives or dies based upon economics?

[MakeItRain]

Rand fails the first two

I think he says that because that is his compromise to be a part of the 'pub party.  I mean, he is basically the R's Bernie.

He wants to defund Planned Parenthood which interferes with my body if my body wants to go get a service from Planned Parenthood.

If by "interfere with my body" you mean cutting off tax dollars to a group that will gladly insert instruments into your body to kill a human life, and if that's actually more important to you than every other issue you posted, then I guess you'd better go Dem.

As one of the few conservatives on this board who is not a sock or a mouth breathing idiot, don't you feel some obligation not to sound like a stark raving lunatic when talking to moderates with legit questions?

No, because there's nothing "moderate" about abortion. Abortion is evil. That doesn't mean all abortion supporters are evil - just that they haven't thought deeply enough about the issue to recognize that it is evil. So I'll explain that to them. And I typically start with the illusion that human lives aren't worth protecting simply because they haven't yet "broken the plain."

Do you honestly not know that abortions is a very small part of what planned parenthood does? Maybe you are stupid.  Why don't you stop getting all your info from Rush, Glenn, FNC, and conservative blogs and rough ridin' read something worthwhile.

[Dub]

Did this just turn into a "Declare your choice for all hot button issues" thread?   

[Emo EMAW]

Is the threshold for the federal government giving an organization money that they only do more good than harm?

[star seed 7]

On a long enough timeline the probability of ksuw turning a pit thread into an abortion and/or hillary thread is 100

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think drug-related offenses should be more in line with alcohol-related offenses.

They don't have similar effects on the community

So put drug users in jail, then? I think a penalty in line with what kids get charged for MIPs would be fairer.

[Emo EMAW]

You mean 1.

[star seed 7]

You mean 1.

Maybe 

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Do you honestly not know that abortions is a very small part of what planned parenthood does? Maybe you are stupid.  Why don't you stop getting all your info from Rush, Glenn, FNC, and conservative blogs and rough ridin' read something worthwhile.

That depends on how you measure it. If you are comparing 1 abortion to handing out 1 condom, then yes, abortion is a very small percentage of planned parenthood does. Just like MLB is in the business of selling hotdogs because they sell way more hotdogs than play baseball games.

But regardless of what "percentage" PP's abortion services constitute, that is completely irrelevant because nobody is saying PP can't continue to provide all those other services. They just shouldn't be providing abortions if they're going to accept tax dollars.

[ednksu]

Do you honestly not know that abortions is a very small part of what planned parenthood does? Maybe you are stupid.  Why don't you stop getting all your info from Rush, Glenn, FNC, and conservative blogs and rough ridin' read something worthwhile.

That depends on how you measure it. If you are comparing 1 abortion to handing out 1 condom, then yes, abortion is a very small percentage of planned parenthood does. Just like MLB is in the business of selling hotdogs because they sell way more hotdogs than play baseball games.

But regardless of what "percentage" PP's abortion services constitute, that is completely irrelevant because nobody is saying PP can't continue to provide all those other services. They just shouldn't be providing abortions if they're going to accept tax dollars.

The fact that you guys continue to make these claims while ignoring the law is fascinating. 

And how then do we measure what "portion" of their services they can proceed with?  Because you say they can do their other services, but you fail to realize states are pulling ALL of their tax funding.

[star seed 7]

Really the abortion side should be getting tax dollars too. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

If I want to open an abortion clinic, do I get the same amount of federal funding planned parenthood does? (honestly don't know and am curious)

[CNS]

Is the threshold for the federal government giving an organization money that they only do more good than harm?

If it's harmful, make it illegal and PP will become strictly an abortion free healthcare provider.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

If I want to open an abortion clinic, do I get the same amount of federal funding planned parenthood does? (honestly don't know and am curious)

How good is your lobbyist?

[Emo EMAW]

If only 3% of their spend or activity or whatever is doing abortions, they should just stop doing those and it won't be that big of a deal.  Keep cashing those government checks.

[star seed 7]

It's an important, wanted, and legal service

[Emo EMAW]

Then, like, maybe someone should open a business and do it then? 

[star seed 7]

That's exactly what they are doing?

[ednksu]

If I want to open an abortion clinic, do I get the same amount of federal funding planned parenthood does? (honestly don't know and am curious)

Not really.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment

[MakeItRain]

This is the silliest thing that doesn't seem to go away. What exactly does this show negatively about Rubio?

Funnily enough, one of the other things that people hold against him was a time he threw a pass to a little dude running a route and it hit the boy in the face. His campaign released this awesome response to that. Kid totally redeems himself!

nothing. and what does obama using a teleprompter show negatively about him? yet people still bring it up constantly. there is a lot of the my team > your team bullcrap that is meaningless that heavy partisans lob out there all the time.

A little late on this one, but did you just compare taking a sip of water to not being able to give a speech without a TelePrompTer? Smart people who believe in what they're saying don't have to read a speech word for word.

The teleprompter thing is a shitbird partisan litmus test, I can't believe people are still talking about it. You can't possibly be that stupid.  I mean I get saying it as a joke but to mean it?

Yeah, I do. What kind of mouth breathing idiot can't give even a short speech without reading it word for word? Did you ever take a communications class in college? That's probably the easiest jerkoff classes in college. And what do they teach you? Rule 1: don't read your damn speech off a piece of paper. It's not hard.

I have a degree in communications and in broadcasting. I gave a public speech last week and am giving another one next week. I'm not the POTUS. I can't think of the last president who didn't use a teleprompter,  yep even Ronnie used one, and I don't think any of us will live to see the day a president won't. The reasons why are very obvious, stop being a bad Republican parody.

[MakeItRain]

I think drug-related offenses should be more in line with alcohol-related offenses.

They don't have similar effects on the community

So put drug users in jail, then? I think a penalty in line with what kids get charged for MIPs would be fairer.

Did you watch that three minutes that I asked you guys to watch? Can we be adults about this and stop pretending that alcohol and narcotics are even remotely close to the same things? Drug offenses are more severe because the effects of narcotics are immeasurably more severe than alcohol.