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Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
« Reply #50 on: May 04, 2010, 10:45:06 PM »

I'm against it, but just because I'd rather see them handle it differently......more secure border, etc.


Yes. we really do need to secure the border, even if we went as far as amnesty. The flow into the country will never stop as long as Mexico/Central America is so corrupt.

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Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
« Reply #51 on: May 04, 2010, 10:51:06 PM »
You just like saying Sugar Dick  :lick:

hahahahaha.  you will be sued, sugar dick!
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Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
« Reply #52 on: May 04, 2010, 11:07:05 PM »
Then I read the NPR interview, where he had to respond to critics of his bill. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126390888

i haven't paid much attention to this issue, maybe skimmed a few brief articles.  however, the impression i gained was not that imparted in this link.  that the police still needed "an investigation for some other violation of law".  assuming that is accurate, the reporting (at least that that i have seen) has been pretty shitty.  and the law seems both pretty pointless and pretty inoffensive.
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Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
« Reply #53 on: May 04, 2010, 11:50:19 PM »
Then I read the NPR interview, where he had to respond to critics of his bill. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126390888

i haven't paid much attention to this issue, maybe skimmed a few brief articles.  however, the impression i gained was not that imparted in this link.  that the police still needed "an investigation for some other violation of law".  assuming that is accurate, the reporting (at least that that i have seen) has been pretty shitty.  and the law seems both pretty pointless and pretty inoffensive.

On it's face ("prima facie," as the douche notes), sure.   However, as I understand the opposition stance, they are saying that it gives the law enforcement officials who are most susceptible (local authorities) the ability to go nuts.  The bill author's retort to this was that "Well, you just don't like cops" ignores a Mt. Everest size collection of anecdotal evidence that tells us that cops prolly shouldn't be given crap like this 'cause they'll do bad stuff.

In summary, I live in Kansas where Mexicans are a delightful addition to our workforce and culinary culture....so I don't give a eff about having Mexicans in our country illegally.   I like 'em.

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Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
« Reply #54 on: May 05, 2010, 12:10:59 AM »
However, as I understand the opposition stance, they are saying that it gives the law enforcement officials who are most susceptible (local authorities) the ability to go nuts.  The bill author's retort to this was that "Well, you just don't like cops" ignores a Mt. Everest size collection of anecdotal evidence that tells us that cops prolly shouldn't be given crap like this 'cause they'll do bad stuff.

yeah, but they already can (and do).  so, nothing changes.


like i've said a million times, the only meaningful legal reform we're going to get in this country is when we start killing cops.
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Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
« Reply #55 on: May 05, 2010, 12:17:10 AM »
However, as I understand the opposition stance, they are saying that it gives the law enforcement officials who are most susceptible (local authorities) the ability to go nuts.  The bill author's retort to this was that "Well, you just don't like cops" ignores a Mt. Everest size collection of anecdotal evidence that tells us that cops prolly shouldn't be given crap like this 'cause they'll do bad stuff.

yeah, but they already can (and do).  so, nothing changes.


like i've said a million times, the only meaningful legal reform we're going to get in this country is when we start killing cops.

You sound like you have been hurt by an authority figure. Share your story with us. :bartender:

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Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
« Reply #56 on: May 05, 2010, 07:03:35 AM »
A good percentage of the cops in AZ are latino.  Are they going to be racists?

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Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
« Reply #57 on: May 05, 2010, 07:40:21 AM »
This boycott thing seems pretty stupid considering 70% of Arizona and more than 60% of the rest of the country like the fact that AZ is enforcing federal immigration law. Seems like a reason to move a convention to Arizona unless you have illegals working for you. :dunno:

i wonder what percentage of the south and the country used to support slavery?

Another bad analogy/diversion/race bait.  Illegals are here by choice, willingly breaking the law.


so you would've been pro segregation then?

No. This has nothing to do with race. If a Canadian is here illegally they need to be deported and re-enter through the proper channels. Stop making this about race.

Yep.  Get Nash the eff out.

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Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
« Reply #58 on: May 05, 2010, 07:44:04 AM »
The bill, while hardly a violation of civil liberties(at least on paper), won't do much good in helping solve the immigration problem.  It will, however, be useful in escorting higher numbers of illegals out of Arizona.

While it seems this is a "keep illegal messicans out of 'merica," thing it is in fact a, "keep illegal messicans out of Arizona thing," all it will do is send the hoards to varying entry points along the boarder.  It will also IMO, send many legal immigrants and their naturalized relatives to other states for paranoia of racial profiling.  


It's interesting to note that the bolded text is a classic example of how a constitutional republic is supposed to work.  

Of course if this solution was implemented on a national level it would provide little of the desired effects, though it could be successful in rounding up illegals and shipping them back to wherever they came from.  But they would just keep coming back, then our governments would have to keep wasting money by repeating the process time and again.

Or they could come up with a variety of actual solutions to whatever the real problem may be, for instance:

Levying heavy punishments on companies/individuals who employ illegals.  If the goal were to get rid of illegals and slow immigration as a whole combining this measure with the Arizona law may indeed be helpful.  

Or if it is just the legality of it all then maybe finding a way to make it easier to come here legally would be a solution.  It wouldn't be too hard to implement easier "legal worker," statuses allowing people to come and do jobs that most Americans won't do for crappy pay legally?

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Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
« Reply #59 on: May 05, 2010, 08:23:26 AM »
A good percentage of the cops in AZ are latino.  Are they going to be racists?

Typically worse (SEE Black Cops)

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Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
« Reply #60 on: May 05, 2010, 09:14:20 AM »
This boycott thing seems pretty stupid considering 70% of Arizona and more than 60% of the rest of the country like the fact that AZ is enforcing federal immigration law. Seems like a reason to move a convention to Arizona unless you have illegals working for you. :dunno:

i wonder what percentage of the south and the country used to support slavery?

Another bad analogy/diversion/race bait.  Illegals are here by choice, willingly breaking the law.


so you would've been pro segregation then?

No. This has nothing to do with race. If a Canadian is here illegally they need to be deported and re-enter through the proper channels. Stop making this about race.

Yep.  Get Nash the shazbot! out.

Pretty sure he is here legally, but if not, GTFO.

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Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
« Reply #61 on: May 05, 2010, 09:24:53 AM »
The bill, while hardly a violation of civil liberties(at least on paper), won't do much good in helping solve the immigration problem.  It will, however, be useful in escorting higher numbers of illegals out of Arizona.

While it seems this is a "keep illegal messicans out of 'merica," thing it is in fact a, "keep illegal messicans out of Arizona thing," all it will do is send the hoards to varying entry points along the boarder.  It will also IMO, send many legal immigrants and their naturalized relatives to other states for paranoia of racial profiling.  


It's interesting to note that the bolded text is a classic example of how a constitutional republic is supposed to work.  

Of course if this solution was implemented on a national level it would provide little of the desired effects, though it could be successful in rounding up illegals and shipping them back to wherever they came from.  But they would just keep coming back, then our governments would have to keep wasting money by repeating the process time and again.

Or they could come up with a variety of actual solutions to whatever the real problem may be, for instance:

Levying heavy punishments on companies/individuals who employ illegals.  If the goal were to get rid of illegals and slow immigration as a whole combining this measure with the Arizona law may indeed be helpful.  

Or if it is just the legality of it all then maybe finding a way to make it easier to come here legally would be a solution.  It wouldn't be too hard to implement easier "legal worker," statuses allowing people to come and do jobs that most Americans won't do for crappy pay legally?

 :dunno:

I am all for punishing employers of illegals.

How hard can it be to become a citizen? The time square bomber did it, and he's not very bright.  :dunno:

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Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
« Reply #62 on: May 05, 2010, 09:31:14 AM »
This boycott thing seems pretty stupid considering 70% of Arizona and more than 60% of the rest of the country like the fact that AZ is enforcing federal immigration law. Seems like a reason to move a convention to Arizona unless you have illegals working for you. :dunno:

i wonder what percentage of the south and the country used to support slavery?

Another bad analogy/diversion/race bait.  Illegals are here by choice, willingly breaking the law.


so you would've been pro segregation then?

No. This has nothing to do with race. If a Canadian is here illegally they need to be deported and re-enter through the proper channels. Stop making this about race.

Yep.  Get Nash the shazbot! out.

Pretty sure he is here legally, but if not, GTFO.

Legal or not, GTFO.

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Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
« Reply #63 on: May 05, 2010, 09:38:20 AM »
This boycott thing seems pretty stupid considering 70% of Arizona and more than 60% of the rest of the country like the fact that AZ is enforcing federal immigration law. Seems like a reason to move a convention to Arizona unless you have illegals working for you. :dunno:

i wonder what percentage of the south and the country used to support slavery?

Another bad analogy/diversion/race bait.  Illegals are here by choice, willingly breaking the law.


so you would've been pro segregation then?

No. This has nothing to do with race. If a Canadian is here illegally they need to be deported and re-enter through the proper channels. Stop making this about race.

Yep.  Get Nash the shazbot! out.

Pretty sure he is here legally, but if not, GTFO.

Legal or not, GTFO.
You just hate Canadians because they are different.

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Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
« Reply #64 on: May 05, 2010, 09:56:19 AM »
This boycott thing seems pretty stupid considering 70% of Arizona and more than 60% of the rest of the country like the fact that AZ is enforcing federal immigration law. Seems like a reason to move a convention to Arizona unless you have illegals working for you. :dunno:

i wonder what percentage of the south and the country used to support slavery?

Another bad analogy/diversion/race bait.  Illegals are here by choice, willingly breaking the law.


so you would've been pro segregation then?

No. This has nothing to do with race. If a Canadian is here illegally they need to be deported and re-enter through the proper channels. Stop making this about race.

Yep.  Get Nash the shazbot! out.

Pretty sure he is here legally, but if not, GTFO.

Legal or not, GTFO.
You just hate Canadians because they are different.

They're different in that they suck, at least the ones from W.Canada.  Learned this at the tail end of VegasPak.

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Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
« Reply #65 on: May 05, 2010, 11:20:18 AM »
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/05/immigration-takes-center-court-at-suns-spurs-playoffs/?hpt=C2

It would be awesome if people boycott the suns for protesting this bill.

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Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
« Reply #66 on: May 05, 2010, 01:04:18 PM »
The bill, while hardly a violation of civil liberties(at least on paper), won't do much good in helping solve the immigration problem.  It will, however, be useful in escorting higher numbers of illegals out of Arizona.

While it seems this is a "keep illegal messicans out of 'merica," thing it is in fact a, "keep illegal messicans out of Arizona thing," all it will do is send the hoards to varying entry points along the boarder.  It will also IMO, send many legal immigrants and their naturalized relatives to other states for paranoia of racial profiling.  


It's interesting to note that the bolded text is a classic example of how a constitutional republic is supposed to work.  

Of course if this solution was implemented on a national level it would provide little of the desired effects, though it could be successful in rounding up illegals and shipping them back to wherever they came from.  But they would just keep coming back, then our governments would have to keep wasting money by repeating the process time and again.

Or they could come up with a variety of actual solutions to whatever the real problem may be, for instance:

Levying heavy punishments on companies/individuals who employ illegals.  If the goal were to get rid of illegals and slow immigration as a whole combining this measure with the Arizona law may indeed be helpful.  

Or if it is just the legality of it all then maybe finding a way to make it easier to come here legally would be a solution.  It wouldn't be too hard to implement easier "legal worker," statuses allowing people to come and do jobs that most Americans won't do for crappy pay legally?

 :dunno:

I am all for punishing employers of illegals.

How hard can it be to become a citizen? The time square bomber did it, and he's not very bright.  :dunno:

Guy was from an elite family in Pakistan, money and influence have their perks.  Also he had two degrees including an MBA, so I guess he was a complete dumbass.

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Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
« Reply #67 on: May 05, 2010, 01:10:10 PM »
How hard can it be to become a citizen?

no citizens in the immediate family, not marrying a citizen, no special skills, not rich, not born in the u.s.; it's pretty hard.  not quite impossible, but pretty damn hard.
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« Reply #68 on: May 05, 2010, 01:14:47 PM »
How hard can it be to become a citizen?

no citizens in the immediate family, not marrying a citizen, no special skills, not rich, not born in the u.s.; it's pretty hard.  not quite impossible, but pretty damn hard.

You just have to win a lottery, so it's not really hard, just unlikely. :peek:

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« Reply #69 on: May 05, 2010, 01:27:22 PM »
The bill, while hardly a violation of civil liberties(at least on paper), won't do much good in helping solve the immigration problem.  It will, however, be useful in escorting higher numbers of illegals out of Arizona.

While it seems this is a "keep illegal messicans out of 'merica," thing it is in fact a, "keep illegal messicans out of Arizona thing," all it will do is send the hoards to varying entry points along the boarder.  It will also IMO, send many legal immigrants and their naturalized relatives to other states for paranoia of racial profiling.  


It's interesting to note that the bolded text is a classic example of how a constitutional republic is supposed to work.  

Of course if this solution was implemented on a national level it would provide little of the desired effects, though it could be successful in rounding up illegals and shipping them back to wherever they came from.  But they would just keep coming back, then our governments would have to keep wasting money by repeating the process time and again.

Or they could come up with a variety of actual solutions to whatever the real problem may be, for instance:

Levying heavy punishments on companies/individuals who employ illegals.  If the goal were to get rid of illegals and slow immigration as a whole combining this measure with the Arizona law may indeed be helpful.  

Or if it is just the legality of it all then maybe finding a way to make it easier to come here legally would be a solution.  It wouldn't be too hard to implement easier "legal worker," statuses allowing people to come and do jobs that most Americans won't do for crappy pay legally?

 :dunno:

I am all for punishing employers of illegals.

How hard can it be to become a citizen? The time square bomber did it, and he's not very bright.  :dunno:

Guy was from an elite family in Pakistan, money and influence have their perks.  Also he had two degrees including an MBA, so I guess he was a complete dumbass.

I know some MBA's, you don't have to be that bright, just a good BS'er.

He spent 5 months training with terrorist and couldn't follow instructions, a complete dumb ass.

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Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
« Reply #70 on: May 05, 2010, 03:40:23 PM »
I never said anything about being a citizen.  I said being legal and documented. 

Juan wants to work at BPI.

Juan gets work Visa.

Juan works for BPI.

Juan's Visa runs out.

Juan is now illegal.

This type of thing happens all the time.

Again if your problem is immigrants in general this is not a solution.

If there was a gif of nicname thwarting the attempted-flag-taker and then gesturing him to suck it, followed by motioning for all of Hilton Shelter to boo him louder, it'd be better than that auburn gif.

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Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
« Reply #71 on: May 05, 2010, 04:22:44 PM »
I never said anything about being a citizen.  I said being legal and documented. 

Juan wants to work at BPI.

Juan gets work Visa.

Juan works for BPI.

Juan's Visa runs out.

Juan is now illegal.

This type of thing happens all the time.

Again if your problem is immigrants in general this is not a solution.



I don't have a problem with immigrants.

Juan is illegal and needs to go home. He knew going in that it was a temporary situation and he needed to apply for a green card if he wanted to stay in the US for a long period of time while he became a citizen. I have a friend from Zimbabwe that went through this successfully.

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Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
« Reply #73 on: May 10, 2010, 09:44:20 AM »
    
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Embattled Arizona doesn't deserve hate, boycotts
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People are being kidnapped in Phoenix, and not every now and then. Every day. Phoenix, one of the biggest and brightest cities in this country, has been blighted by roughly one kidnapping per day over the past four years. Who's doing the kidnapping? Who's being kidnapped? Mostly illegal immigrants and drug dealers. They are the victims, yes, but they are the violators too. They are both.

Phoenix was once the fastest-growing big city in America. It was a place to go. Now it's a place to leave.

The other side of the Arizona immigration story? That hasn't been told much. (Getty Images)    
The other side of the Arizona immigration story? That hasn't been told much. (Getty Images)    
But you're not hearing that part of the story. You're not hearing about the creeping third-world kudzu spreading into Phoenix and throughout Arizona. Nope. You're hearing about the nerve -- the nerve -- of lawmakers and law-enforcers in Arizona who want to get a handle on their state before it spins out of control.

And so you're hearing about the role of baseball in this story. You're hearing about fans in Chicago, who are 1,804 ignorantly blissful miles from Phoenix and are boycotting the Arizona Diamondbacks when the Diamondbacks come to town to play the Cubs. And you're hearing about the role Major League Baseball should play, considering the 2011 All-Star Game is set for Phoenix. You're hearing that MLB should move the game, because baseball is nearly 30 percent Hispanic and out of respect to Hanley Ramirez and Albert Pujols and Alex Rodriguez, the game cannot be held in an unreasonable place that would demand that every member of its population be in this country legally.

What if Miguel Cabrera is walking to the ballpark and gets deported because he doesn't have his papers?!??

That's what you're hearing. It's not hysterical, because this is no laughing matter, but it is hysteria. One day it'll be a movie starring Nicolas Cage: Boycotting Arizona.

In the meantime you're hearing about Arizona Senate Bill 1070, signed into practice April 23, which allows police in that state to use "reasonable suspicion" to question or detain possible illegal immigrants. This needn't be a sports story, no, but it has become one. The Phoenix Suns wore "Los Suns" on their jersey for Game 2 against San Antonio in support of the Hispanic community. Grandstanding activists Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have urged MLB commissioner Bud Selig to move the 2011 All-Star Game, and in lieu of that, 2011 All-Stars are being asked by no less a moral authority than The New York Times to come down with a case of the "Arizona flu" rather than play in that All-Star Game.

Of course, that article in the Times was written by an elderly gentleman who lives in an exclusive part of Long Island and won't have to come within 1,000 miles of the third-world violence that escalates by the day in Phoenix. It's easy for George Vecsey, and for people like him, to urge MLB players and other rich athletes to make a stand against Arizona's immigration law when people like Vecsey, and most of those rich athletes, aren't the ones trying to live there.

See, this story isn't as simple as the media and athletes, even thoughtful athletes like Suns players Steve Nash and Grant Hill, would have you believe. From the viewpoint of their gated communities, sure, the new immigration law might look like "an injustice" in Hill's eyes, and like "racism" to Nash.

But people are dying in Phoenix. They are being yanked from their homes on a daily basis and tortured, mutilated, killed. Why? Because there are some bad people in Phoenix. Not the legal citizens of Phoenix, no. I don't mean them. I mean the illegals. Not all of them or even most of them, obviously, but by and large illegal immigrants are responsible, according to police, for most of the home invasions and kidnappings and tortures.

Usually they are the kidnapper and the kidnapped, but not always, so don't fool yourself into thinking this kidnapping crisis doesn't affect the legal, law-abiding members of the greater Phoenix community. Not long ago a 13-year-old girl in Avondale, Ariz., was pulled from her neighborhood at gunpoint by kidnappers who thought she was related to a drug thief. When the kidnappers called her home a few hours later to demand the ransom, a police officer answered and convinced them that they had the wrong girl. She was let go. That story, horrific as it is, ended relatively well.

They don't all end well.

This is not a black-and-white issue, is my point. Am I picking a side? Sort of. But I'm not trying to convince you that my side is right, because I'm not sure my side is right. Some things, though, I know. I know that property values in Arizona are dropping faster than almost anywhere else in this country. And I know that Arizona has massive crime issues, particularly of the drug-and-violence variety. In recent years its murder rate has been two and even three times the national average, and police blame the disproportionate nature of those numbers on the influx of illegal immigrants.

At the same time, illegal immigrants are not, by definition, violent. It's a crapshoot, from person to person, which is why this issue is so damn murky. Not even a professional screamer like me can pick a side and start screaming. Not with confidence. So in lieu of that, I would rather calmly win you over to the idea that this issue isn't nearly as simple to grasp as people like Jackson or Sharpton or Nash or Hill or Vecsey or anyone -- on either side -- would try to tell you.

But I will say this: Why boycott the Diamondbacks? Because their owner contributed money years ago to the campaigns of state lawmakers, and because those state lawmakers later crafted this law? That's too simplistic. It implies you know the law better than the media, who incorrectly make Arizona out to be a Gestapo state, and it implies you also know the intent of the Diamondbacks' owner. And it suggests you're accusing the Diamondbacks of being anti-immigrant at best, xenophobic at worst. Yet the Diamondbacks' roster includes three players born in Venezuela, three in the Dominican Republic, one in Mexico and one in Germany. Boycott those guys? Why would you do that?

And I'll say this: Move the 2011 All-Star Game out of Arizona? That seems rather drastic considering our entire country is split right down the middle over that immigration law, according to polls, and that residents of Arizona are similarly split. One in three white people in Arizona oppose this law. One in five Hispanics favor it. Read those two sentences again, and then tell me this issue is simple.

Is there the possibility of racial profiling in Arizona, where police with "reasonable suspicion" can ask for verification that a person isn't an illegal immigrant? Sure there is. Police aren't looking for thieves or drug dealers, who by definition could be anyone. They're looking for illegal immigrants. If you can remove the issue of "race" from the search for "illegal immigrants," please tell me how to do that. Until someone figures it out, I'm inclined to let the police of Arizona do their job.

And I'm convinced we should let the Arizona Diamondbacks do theirs.

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Re: Are you boycotting Arizona?
« Reply #74 on: May 11, 2010, 03:25:03 PM »
A good percentage of the cops in AZ are latino.  Are they going to be racists?

Typically worse (SEE Black Cops)

This ^^^   legals hate illegals.   

Until we step up and create a decent way of life for those south of the border and give them an economy where they want to stay in their homeland anything we do is just pissing in the wind.   It's a real shame they don't have more oil and Muslims, we'd be all over the "helping".