Feasibility

[sys]

During the tournament, I repeatedly heard about how Xavier has first class facilities and flies in a charted jet, and on and on about how they do everything first class just like any of the top programs.  But at the end of the day, they're still Xavier, you know?

jfc, chum.  it's not about not being xavier.  even if we're still xavier, we'll be xavier with a practice facility.  it's like valet parking.  you think those guys give a crap if the car is paid off, or if the owner is rich?  of course not, jfc.

[CNS]

$20M can get you a pretty decent facility.  Nothing extraordinarily eye popping.  Nothing that will win recruits who are interested in amazing facilities.

It will get you a good sized building that can hold 3 courts, a decent-to-nice locker room, a decent film room, and a few OK offices.

[Trim]

Maybe we should just move back to Ahearn and let the OOD be the practice facility.  Feasible?

[steve dave]

$20M can get you a pretty decent facility.  Nothing extraordinarily eye popping.  Nothing that will win recruits who are interested in amazing facilities.

It will get you a good sized building that can hold 3 courts, a decent-to-nice locker room, a decent film room, and a few OK offices.

Why would we ever need 3 courts?  Kind of low CBBPracticeIQ here but it doesn't seem like you would ever need that much room....especially now that we can't host AAU events.  

[sys]

$20M can get you a pretty decent facility.  Nothing extraordinarily eye popping.  Nothing that will win recruits who are interested in amazing facilities.

It will get you a good sized building that can hold 3 courts, a decent-to-nice locker room, a decent film room, and a few OK offices.

hmm.  not good enough.  what can they get for $45 million.

[Belvis Noland]

During the tournament, I repeatedly heard about how Xavier has first class facilities and flies in a charted jet, and on and on about how they do everything first class just like any of the top programs.  But at the end of the day, they're still Xavier, you know?

Yeah, sucks to be Xavier, ya know?  Two Elite 8s in the last 5 years.  NCAA tournament staple.  

With respect to the facility, remember that it will include locker rooms, weight rooms, coaches and administrative staff offices, film rooms, recruiting lounge, medical/training rooms, and basketball courts.  And, this facility serves the needs of the men's and women's programs.  

20 mil might be a bit steep.  But, it's being paid for by private donations.  WTF do you care about it's necessity?  I'll bet you weren't solicited for a donation.      

[CNS]

$20M can get you a pretty decent facility.  Nothing extraordinarily eye popping.  Nothing that will win recruits who are interested in amazing facilities.

It will get you a good sized building that can hold 3 courts, a decent-to-nice locker room, a decent film room, and a few OK offices.

Why would we ever need 3 courts?  Kind of low CBBPracticeIQ here but it doesn't seem like you would ever need that much room....especially now that we can't host AAU events.  

Admittedly, I don't know why that much room is needed, but I remember it being mentioned in the past as a number of courts that they were kicking around having.

[CNS]

$20M can get you a pretty decent facility.  Nothing extraordinarily eye popping.  Nothing that will win recruits who are interested in amazing facilities.

It will get you a good sized building that can hold 3 courts, a decent-to-nice locker room, a decent film room, and a few OK offices.

hmm.  not good enough.  what can they get for $45 million.

About 1.25 x more than I mentioned above.  

[sonofdaxjones]

I don't disagree.   However, if you follow these things like I have over the last decade, to be honest a $20 million dollar project and or a series of smaller projects totaling between $20 to $30 million every few years should be right in the wheel house of a school like K-State.  

I haven't followed these things like you have for even a second.  But how much do schools like K-State spend on basketball practice facilities?  Is it probably too much?  And how much of the $20 million installment will we probably spend on a basketball practice facility?  Is it possibly way too much?

Well if they spend all $20 million on only the basketball practice faciliity, it will be one of the biggest expenditures for a facility like that of any NCAA D1 school.   However . . . call it a hunch, but with construction pricing the way it is, maybe a few million will go towards other things.  

But right now, we're all just guessing, and saying what's "too much" is really dependent on who you ask.  

CNS . . . come on man, this is what $21 million bought at Virginia Tech.

http://www.hokiesports.com/facilities/bpf.html

[CNS]

I don't disagree.   However, if you follow these things like I have over the last decade, to be honest a $20 million dollar project and or a series of smaller projects totaling between $20 to $30 million every few years should be right in the wheel house of a school like K-State.  

I haven't followed these things like you have for even a second.  But how much do schools like K-State spend on basketball practice facilities?  Is it probably too much?  And how much of the $20 million installment will we probably spend on a basketball practice facility?  Is it possibly way too much?

Well if they spend all $20 million on only the basketball practice faciliity, it will be one of the biggest expenditures for a facility like that of any NCAA D1 school.   However . . . call it a hunch, but with construction pricing the way it is, maybe a few million will go towards other things.  

But right now, we're all just guessing, and saying what's "too much" is really dependent on who you ask.  

CNS . . . come on man, this is what $21 million bought at Virginia Tech.

http://www.hokiesports.com/facilities/bpf.html

Other than the weight room and training area, that is basically what I described. 

Note: I said 3 courts, where the hokie's only had 2.

I also left out, evidently, that the building I described would include bathrooms for the coaches(my bad).

One other note: It is not uncommon for the cost of certain equipment(furniture, weights, and gym machines) to be tracked under a different soft cost budget.

[sys]

About 1.25 x more than I mentioned above.  

eff it then, that still sucks.  how much for eye-popping?

[CNS]

About 1.25 x more than I mentioned above.  

shazbot! it then, that still sucks.  how much for eye-popping?

Tough question.

Would prolly have to do a study to determine cost and feasibility. 

[Belvis Noland]

$20M can get you a pretty decent facility.  Nothing extraordinarily eye popping.  Nothing that will win recruits who are interested in amazing facilities.

Wrong. 

$20mil is top of the line.  The facility will be superior to KU's and UT's.  Prob a step below Kentucky. 

Especially in this economy.  $20mil is going to buy a LOT of building. 

[sys]

Wrong. 

 

[CNS]

$20M can get you a pretty decent facility.  Nothing extraordinarily eye popping.  Nothing that will win recruits who are interested in amazing facilities.

Wrong. 

$20mil is top of the line.  The facility will be superior to KU's and UT's.  Prob a step below Kentucky. 

Especially in this economy.  $20mil is going to buy a LOT of building. 

3 courts is a lot of building

I don't know what KU's or UT's practice facilities look like.

I have built several YMCA's, which are obviously not NCAA facilities, but still have BB courts, weight rooms, limited training areas, etc.

I have also built office building projects with high-end video conf rooms.

Neither are exactly like what the practice facility will be, but both will have a strong link in the type of components that will make up the building.

Mine was just a guess from having done these kinds of projects and making assumptions on what a NCAA practice facility will have.

[doom]

$20M can get you a pretty decent facility.  Nothing extraordinarily eye popping.  Nothing that will win recruits who are interested in amazing facilities.

It will get you a good sized building that can hold 3 courts, a decent-to-nice locker room, a decent film room, and a few OK offices.

hmm.  not good enough.  what can they get for $45 million.

This.  But purple and with basketball courts inside. 

[chum1]

During the tournament, I repeatedly heard about how Xavier has first class facilities and flies in a charted jet, and on and on about how they do everything first class just like any of the top programs.  But at the end of the day, they're still Xavier, you know?

jfc, chum.  it's not about not being xavier.  even if we're still xavier, we'll be xavier with a practice facility.  it's like valet parking.  you think those guys give a crap if the car is paid off, or if the owner is rich?  of course not, jfc.

That was an argument not to spend anywhere near $20 million.  Not an argument not to build a practice facility.

[sys]

That was an argument not to spend anywhere near $20 million.  Not an argument not to build a practice facility.

mine was an argument to spend as much money as they can get their hands on.

[chum1]

That was an argument not to spend anywhere near $20 million.  Not an argument not to build a practice facility.

mine was an argument to spend as much money as they can get their hands on.

They don't know how much something costs unless it has a name brand on it.  Even then, things are tricky.  How many do you think would spot a fake Rolex? 

[sys]

name brand on it.  Even then, things are tricky.  How many do you think would spot a fake Rolex? 

if we can get 20 fake rolexes for the price of one real one, then i'm definitely in favor of that.

[Kat Kid]

pretty sure William Staley won't let this happen because of the new leadership studies building.  he was all like, "no one can build anything for 5 years after I build my xanadu!"  At least I think that's what dax was saying.   

[Belvis Noland]

3 courts is a lot of building

What's your fixation with 3 courts?  Curry has publicly stated that they are aiming for 2 courts...

[CNS]

3 courts is a lot of building

What's your fixation with 3 courts?  Curry has publicly stated that they are aiming for 2 courts...

No fixation, just saying that what I originally described(3 courts) is a decent amt of building.  As you can see in my other post, I don't know if that is what is needed or not, but only remember hearing that number thrown around in previous info on the subject.

I couldn't care less what the ultimate # of courts are.

[Belvis Noland]

No fixation, just saying that what I originally described(3 courts) is a decent amt of building.  As you can see in my other post, I don't know if that is what is needed or not, but only remember hearing that number thrown around in previous info on the subject.

Mmmmkay..  It will only have two courts; not three.  And it's priced comparably to the best practice facilities built pre-recession. 
 
There you have it. 

[sys]

if martin wants three courts, he gets three courts.  end of story, no matter what staley thinks about it.