Feasibility

[GoodForAnother]

Yes, those salaries are already being paid, but why? What kind of grants are "Leadership" professors bringing in? What purpose are those professors actually serving students? In reality, Leadership Studies should be on the chopping block with the economy in the tank and reduced state funding. Instead, K-State builds a permanent home for nothing but pure waste.

It sounds like you're arguing to cut the program completely.  Which I don't really have an opinion on either way.  However, using your criteria (won't get you a job, etc.) it seems like there are probably a hell of a lot of minors/majors taht we could cut.  i.e. conflict resolution, nonviolence studies, etc.  

With respect to the facility, however, I think it's a great, multi-functional addition to campus.  lecture hall, six classrooms, a student services center, resource library and study areas.  It will obviosuly serve more than merely leadership minor students.  

On top of that, the building is a positive improvement to campus, aesthetically and architecturally.  I think there's some value in that.  

I never said it wasn't a nice building and I never saidi they shouldn't have built.

That being said.

I suspect the long desired 4th addition to the Engineering Complex would be an aesthically pleasing building as well, with extra classrooms, and lecture halls, and likely more computer labs.    It's also my understand the long desired 4th addition would house a state of the art computer operations center, imperative for the growth of K-State's expanding server based computer center and essential for K-State's growth as a research university.  

I suspect the long desired administrative/academic building in the Grain Science Complex would be a great addition to that end of campus, in addition, they could remodel the the spaces that Grain Science vacated and turned it over to Leadership Studies.

lmao @ "server based computer center"

you just made that up

[sonofdaxjones]

yeah I did, I guess Beowulf's are more like clusters.

[Havs]

Here is a video of Iowa State's Practice Facility, completed in 2009.

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Here is a video of Iowa State's Practice Facility, completed in 2009.

Needs more butter.

[chum1]

Really, no one should spend more than a few hundred thousand for something like that. 

[Havs]

Really, no one should spend more than a few hundred thousand for something like that. 

Dicky V likes it. Why he was in Ames baffles me, given our lack of bball success, but regardless. I think the Athletic Department only paid for 25% of the building, so win-win for ISU!

[Belvis Noland]

He's saying that this is $12mil that was donated to a program that Stanley didn't graduate in. Wefald should of suggested that he donate that money to the program that Stanley got his degree in instead of creating an un-needed building for something so unimportant. That is where Wefald failed and Stanley's $12 mil going to leadership studies has hurt other programs' fundraising efforts.

Thanks for the input. 

His name is Staley.  Warren Staley.  No "n." 

[chum1]

$23,500.00

http://metalbuildingdepot.com/specials/default.aspx

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$23,500.00

http://metalbuildingdepot.com/specials/default.aspx

That seems incredibly feasible. 

[wabash909]

Here is a video of Iowa State's Practice Facility, completed in 2009.

What a piece of garbage.  No wonder all the players and coaches left.

[chum1]

$23,500.00

http://metalbuildingdepot.com/specials/default.aspx

That seems incredibly feasible.  

The building I'm sitting in is brand new, has six floors, 250,000 square feet, a parking garage, a gym, a cafeteria, is "green/eco-friendly," and facilitates about a thousand employees.  It was $45 million.  

A practice facility is unquestionably feasible.  It's the feasibility of the act of flushing $20 million down the toilet that is in question.

[CNS]

Really, no one should spend more than a few hundred thousand for something like that. 

Dicky V likes it. Why he was in Ames baffles me, given our lack of bball success, but regardless. I think the Athletic Department only paid for 25% of the building, so win-win for ISU!

Dicky V also jumped a plane and came to Manhattan when Wooly was introduced as our coach.  He came out in his Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) track suit to tell us that he thought Manhattan was Awesome with a Capital A, and that he was real excited about our future.....with Wooly.

I wouldn't get any hopes up about anything based on Dicky V. 

[sonofdaxjones]

Chum it is not outside of the realm of possibility that some of that $20 million might be used for other things inside Bramlage, sometimes little side projects come out of bigger jobs.

 

[chum1]

Chum it is not outside of the realm of possibility that some of that $20 million might be used for other things inside Bramlage, sometimes little side projects come out of bigger jobs.

It will be wasted money just the same.  If these people weren't horrible at their jobs, they wouldn't be at Kansas State.

[sys]

The building I'm sitting in is brand new, has six floors, 250,000 square feet, a parking garage, a gym, a cafeteria, is "green/eco-friendly," and facilitates about a thousand employees.  It was $45 million.  

A practice facility is unquestionably feasible.  It's the feasibility of the act of flushing $20 million down the toilet that is in question.

that sounds like a good building, chum.  how much will you take for it?  keep in mind that the building is used (even if technically brand new).  and it's for kstate.  tax deductible too.

[chum1]

How about a Detroit campus?

http://www.dailytribune.com/articles/2009/11/17/news/doc4b02afb646115023862106.txt

[sonofdaxjones]

Just curious, why do you think it will be wasted money chum??

Trust me, I am fully in the "K-State will always F up a good thing" camp, so I am just curious why you think that in this case.

[sys]

How about a Detroit campus?

http://www.dailytribune.com/articles/2009/11/17/news/doc4b02afb646115023862106.txt

at that price, kstate could probably afford to set up a fund to provide perpetual pies for the users of the structure.  naturally, i'm a little disappointed in the lack of leadership displayed by the kstate a.d. on this opportunity.  a case study for sure.

[Belvis Noland]

Yeah, I'm curious to see what $20 million buys us as well.  

Given that steel prices have tanked and contractors are literally begging for work, $20mil could damn near buy us two practice facilities (at pre-recession cost).  

I hope some of this $$$ goes to a new floor in the OOD, among other small projects.

[chum1]

Just curious, why do you think it will be wasted money chum??

Trust me, I am fully in the "K-State will always F up a good thing" camp, so I am just curious why you think that in this case.

We should have nice facilities.  They can even look flashy and impressive.  At the same time, we shouldn't try to keep up with the top spenders.  We are who we are.  It may make the community feel like they are big time, but no one on the outside is fooled by the middle class guy in the luxury car.  Everyone knows he's not a rich guy.

[Belvis Noland]

We should have nice facilities.  They can even look flashy and impressive.  At the same time, we shouldn't try to keep up with the top spenders. 

 

Every team in the Big XII has a practice facility, or is in the process of building one.

[chum1]

Every team in the Big XII has a practice facility, or is in the process of building one.

The issue is the price tag. 

Big 12?  Forget it.  What are Mountain West schools doing?

[sonofdaxjones]

Just curious, why do you think it will be wasted money chum??

Trust me, I am fully in the "K-State will always F up a good thing" camp, so I am just curious why you think that in this case.

We should have nice facilities.  They can even look flashy and impressive.  At the same time, we shouldn't try to keep up with the top spenders.  We are who we are.  It may make the community feel like they are big time, but no one on the outside is fooled by the middle class guy in the luxury car.  Everyone knows he's not a rich guy.

I don't disagree.   However, if you follow these things like I have over the last decade, to be honest a $20 million dollar project and or a series of smaller projects totaling between $20 to $30 million every few years should be right in the wheel house of a school like K-State.   What was always a little "pie in the sky" to me was the thought of doing things like adding a 2nd stadium club and more suites and things like that, having a "waiting list" is one thing, having people with check book in hand is another.

   

[chum1]

I don't disagree.   However, if you follow these things like I have over the last decade, to be honest a $20 million dollar project and or a series of smaller projects totaling between $20 to $30 million every few years should be right in the wheel house of a school like K-State.  

I haven't followed these things like you have for even a second.  But how much do schools like K-State spend on basketball practice facilities?  Is it probably too much?  And how much of the $20 million installment will we probably spend on a basketball practice facility?  Is it possibly way too much?

[chum1]

During the tournament, I repeatedly heard about how Xavier has first class facilities and flies in a charted jet, and on and on about how they do everything first class just like any of the top programs.  But at the end of the day, they're still Xavier, you know?