Feasibility

[sonofdaxjones]

Meanwhile . . . there's about $40-$50 million dollars worth of buildings that will need to be privately financed that they can't find the money for, that will go towards supporting entities that put K-State on the map.   Leadership studies minors aren't impressing anyone.  It was just the Weefers pet project that he talked a bunch of people into contributing money towards.

Yeah.  Again, privately financed.  I could see your argument if we financed this building out of the general budget, necessitating cutting programs and services.  To argue that Staley's money could have been used more appropriatey, however, just doesn't make sense. 

Staley's $$$ goes where Staley wants.  Much like Jack Vanier's $$$ goes to the football team, not the Equestrian team.   

If the Engineering, Business, and Architecture Schools need upgrades, they should solicit private donations.  I just wrote a check to the Business School, for instance.  Because they called me and asked. 

Warren Staley isn't the only rich KSU alumnus out there.   

You don't have to explain to me how the fund raising process works.   But apparently I need to explain to you the concept of a pet program and how the Weefer was throwing his full weight around on getting the Leadership studies building built.   

[Sugar Dick]

change the basketball teams name from the wildcats to the kansas state leadership studies and have them practice in that new building. BAM! NEXT!

 

WTF is Leadership Studies anyways?  I remember that program starting back when I was in school (early 2000's), but didn't get it then.  Do you actually study leaders, or do you learn how to be a leader?  Can you imagine the clusterf8ck of a classroom where everyone thinks they're the leader?  Maybe it's a boat named Leader and everyone is a sailor.

I picture a bunch of people who talk too loud, and interrupt conversations with statements like, "I don't know if you know this or not, but I'm the president of [insert useless campus organization] and we're doing..."  

[Panjandrum]

change the basketball teams name from the wildcats to the kansas state leadership studies and have them practice in that new building. BAM! NEXT!

This is the kind of out-of-the-box thinking that will help us keep up with facilities.

 

[Panjandrum]

i think the solution is to ask for money from the people that have it (we can call them the Five-Percent Nation or Five Percenters), and not trying to nickle and dime our base into giving money that they may already be considering cutting back on spending.

That's how the practice facility will get built, definitely.

However, I'm not necessarily talking about nickle and diming anyone.  I'm just simply saying that we should find a way to open up mid court seats and charge an appropriate rate while we move the students to a section of the arena where their monetary contribution is more proportional.

Everything I'm saying is hypothetical.  That will most likely never happen, and there are advantages with the current situation.  However, if the program continues to ascend, and there's demand for those sections, the conversation will continue to occur.

[pissclams]

i think the solution is to ask for money from the people that have it (we can call them the Five-Percent Nation or Five Percenters), and not trying to nickle and dime our base into giving money that they may already be considering cutting back on spending.

That's how the practice facility will get built, definitely.

However, I'm not necessarily talking about nickle and diming anyone.  I'm just simply saying that we should find a way to open up mid court seats and charge an appropriate rate while we move the students to a section of the arena where their monetary contribution is more proportional.

Everything I'm saying is hypothetical.  That will most likely never happen, and there are advantages with the current situation.  However, if the program continues to ascend, and there's demand for those sections, the conversation will continue to occur.

haven't the students been paying their portion since the thing was build through fees?

[OregonSmock]

Yes 33 . . . the academic policy wonks.  

You know, I'll probably get ripped by a couple of people I know who read this forum.  But I am at the point where I'd rather see one really nice practice court built next to Bramlage on the East side , then build all new nice looking athletic administration offices and ticket offices on the West Side, and let basketball take over the entirety of the old athletic adminitration offices and just renovate and expand the dressing room areas on the lower level.  
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So basically, you're hoping K-State can do what KU just did to the areas in and around Allen Fieldhouse. 

[Saulbadguy]

Yes 33 . . . the academic policy wonks. 

You know, I'll probably get ripped by a couple of people I know who read this forum.  But I am at the point where I'd rather see one really nice practice court built next to Bramlage on the East side , then build all new nice looking athletic administration offices and ticket offices on the West Side, and let basketball take over the entirety of the old athletic adminitration offices and just renovate and expand the dressing room areas on the lower level.   
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So basically, you're hoping K-State can do what KU just did to the areas in and around Allen Fieldhouse. 

But much, much better, obviously.

[sonofdaxjones]

Yes 33 . . . the academic policy wonks.  

You know, I'll probably get ripped by a couple of people I know who read this forum.  But I am at the point where I'd rather see one really nice practice court built next to Bramlage on the East side , then build all new nice looking athletic administration offices and ticket offices on the West Side, and let basketball take over the entirety of the old athletic adminitration offices and just renovate and expand the dressing room areas on the lower level.  
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So basically, you're hoping K-State can do what KU just did to the areas in and around Allen Fieldhouse.  

It's just an idea. but that's not what is being proposed.   What's being proposed will rival what Kentucky, Texas, Virginia Tech, Florida and several others built.

[Panjandrum]

i think the solution is to ask for money from the people that have it (we can call them the Five-Percent Nation or Five Percenters), and not trying to nickle and dime our base into giving money that they may already be considering cutting back on spending.

That's how the practice facility will get built, definitely.

However, I'm not necessarily talking about nickle and diming anyone.  I'm just simply saying that we should find a way to open up mid court seats and charge an appropriate rate while we move the students to a section of the arena where their monetary contribution is more proportional.

Everything I'm saying is hypothetical.  That will most likely never happen, and there are advantages with the current situation.  However, if the program continues to ascend, and there's demand for those sections, the conversation will continue to occur.

haven't the students been paying their portion since the thing was build through fees?

That was the agreement when Bramlage was built.  Because they needed student fees to do it, I believe they were guaranteed a certain number of tickets.  However, and I need someone older or more interested in research to let me know, I don't think they specified the sections that are reserved for them.

[sonofdaxjones]

Yes, that was part of the deal, that the students get the sections that they're in.   However, I don't know if that deal had a "term limit" or not. 

Like has been discussed, they need to move the press completely off the East Sideline and expand Gucci Gulch.   There's no reason for the media to be occupying prime seats like that.   

Expand the scorers table to allow for additional radio TV and put the team managers behind the team benches if need be.   Put the media in the South Endzone, and also put in a retractable set of seats in the tunnel. 

[pike]

I miss Bob Krause

Do you forget that Krause actually thought Prince was a good football coach?  Just sayin'.

You are confusing Krause (who I love) with Wefald (who I hate)

I hate both.

[I_have_purplewood]

change the basketball teams name from the wildcats to the kansas state leadership studies and have them practice in that new building. BAM! NEXT!

 

WTF is Leadership Studies anyways?  I remember that program starting back when I was in school (early 2000's), but didn't get it then.  Do you actually study leaders, or do you learn how to be a leader?  Can you imagine the clusterf8ck of a classroom where everyone thinks they're the leader?  Maybe it's a boat named Leader and everyone is a sailor.

I picture a bunch of people who talk too loud, and interrupt conversations with statements like, "I don't know if you know this or not, but I'm the president of [insert useless campus organization] and we're doing..."  

I'd like to see this site have a leadership forum.  Could go a long way into helping make these posts better.  jmo    And if I donate some money, please name 'the pwood leadership forum'.  tia

[Belvis Noland]

You don't have to explain to me how the fund raising process works.   But apparently I need to explain to you the concept of a pet program and how the Weefer was throwing his full weight around on getting the Leadership studies building built.   

Nah, you just need to do a better job of explaining how "Weefer's pet program" diluted funding from other campus improvements, or the basketball practice facility. 

[sonofdaxjones]

I never said it took away from the basketball program Belvis.   

And yeah, the University President lobbying big donors to contribute money to his pet program, a program that will provide him a cushy office and a $255K a year salary once he "retires" is exactly the same as fund raisers assigned by the Foundation to individual colleges/Dean's and department heads doing fund raising.   

Any other reaches??

[06wildcat]

You don't have to explain to me how the fund raising process works.   But apparently I need to explain to you the concept of a pet program and how the Weefer was throwing his full weight around on getting the Leadership studies building built.   

Nah, you just need to do a better job of explaining how "Weefer's pet program" diluted funding from other campus improvements, or the basketball practice facility. 

So K-State and every other regents school has an incredible backlog of maintenance issues totaling hundreds of millions of dollars ... and another building won't take away from making those improvements right? It may have been privately funded but the salaries for those who occupy the building and the ongoing maintenance are not.

It's stupid shiat like this that does hurt the university's academics far more than any athletic event every could. Instead of using the limited resources K-State has to improve what buildings and programs are already in place, we're out fundraising for a building to house a program that doesn't bring one student to campus. Sure, lots of students enroll because "Leadership Studies" is an incredibly easy way to meet your outside concentration requirements for a degree, but no one is going to come to K-State because it offers a minor in it.

I have the minor and stopped listing it on my resume after being asked to explain it for every interview. That's how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) it is.

[Belvis Noland]

I never said it took away from the basketball program Belvis.   

And yeah, the University President lobbying big donors to contribute money to his pet program, a program that will provide him a cushy office and a $255K a year salary once he "retires" is exactly the same as fund raisers assigned by the Foundation to individual colleges/Dean's and department heads doing fund raising.   

Any other reaches??

Cargill dropped $1mil.  The Staley's dropped a lot more than that from their own pockets.  You're saying that this money should/could have been used for other endeavours.  End of story.  

I don't need any red herring lessons on fund raising, or Weefald's private office, or Weefald's salary.  

Simply explain how Staley's personal and corporate donations for this project were somehow mismanaged or missapropriated. If Staley essentially has an open checkbook to which Kansas State has access, then yeah, I'd say that his millions of dollars could have been better used renovating Seaton Hall or Calvin Hall.  But, you haven't convinced me that this is the case.        

[Dugout DickStone]

Time to propse possible clip-art for the new facility?

[Belvis Noland]

So K-State and every other regents school has an incredible backlog of maintenance issues totaling hundreds of millions of dollars ... and another building won't take away from making those improvements right? It may have been privately funded but the salaries for those who occupy the building and the ongoing maintenance are not.

The salaries of the people occupying the building are already being paid.  But, you make a good point that the maintenance costs and upkeep are new costs. 

however, I hope little ol' Kansas State isn't too poor to build new structures for our inability to pay a f*cking janitor, though. 

[sonofdaxjones]

I never said it took away from the basketball program Belvis.   

And yeah, the University President lobbying big donors to contribute money to his pet program, a program that will provide him a cushy office and a $255K a year salary once he "retires" is exactly the same as fund raisers assigned by the Foundation to individual colleges/Dean's and department heads doing fund raising.   

Any other reaches??

Cargill dropped $1mil.  The Staley's dropped a lot more than that from their own pockets.  You're saying that this money should/could have been used for other endeavours.  End of story.  

I don't need any red herring lessons on fund raising, or Weefald's private office, or Weefald's salary.  

Simply explain how Staley's personal and corporate donations for this project were somehow mismanaged or missapropriated. If Staley essentially has an open checkbook to which Kansas State has access, then yeah, I'd say that his millions of dollars could have been better used renovating Seaton Hall or Calvin Hall.  But, you haven't convinced me that this is the case.        

I didn't say the funds were mishandled or misappropriated . . . not once.   What I am saying is, that it was program spearheaded by the University President.  Leadership Studies has ALWAYS been one of the Weefers pet programs.   Plus how is the REALITY of Jon Wefald drawing a $255,000 a year salary based on his "contributions" to Leadership Studies a Red Herring??  The building and Jon Wefald are locked at the hip with each other.  Jon Wefald ensured that a $12 million dollar Leadership Studies building was farther up the list of priorities than facilities for key K-State programs . . . . and as such, he put his full weight behind the fund raising for it . . . again, one of his pet programs.   To say otherwise is just living in denial.  

[Belvis Noland]

I didn't say the funds were mishandled or misappropriated . . . not once.   What I am saying is, that it was program spearheaded by the University President.  Leadership Studies has ALWAYS been one of the Weefers pet programs.   Plus how is the REALITY of Jon Wefald drawing a $255,000 a year salary based on his "contributions" to Leadership Studies a Red Herring??  The building and Jon Wefald are locked at the hip with each other.  Jon Wefald ensured that a $12 million dollar Leadership Studies building was farther up the list of priorities than facilities for key K-State programs . . . . and as such, he put his full weight behind the fund raising for it . . . again, one of his pet programs.   To say otherwise is just living in denial.  

Everything you are saying is accurate.  I don't disagree with anything you just posted. 

I do disagree, however, with your argument that financing this building through Warren Staley's personal & coporate money has hampered our fundraising for other projects.  I.e.

Meanwhile . . . there's about $40-$50 million dollars worth of buildings that will need to be privately financed that they can't find the money for

If KSU can't find money to finance other, more important projects, I have a hard time believing it is because Staley gave a lot of money for the Leadership Studies Building. 

[Trim]

FYI, I decided to not worry about the whole feasibility thing yesterday and went with the LARGE lengua quesadilla.  

[06wildcat]

So K-State and every other regents school has an incredible backlog of maintenance issues totaling hundreds of millions of dollars ... and another building won't take away from making those improvements right? It may have been privately funded but the salaries for those who occupy the building and the ongoing maintenance are not.

The salaries of the people occupying the building are already being paid.  But, you make a good point that the maintenance costs and upkeep are new costs. 

however, I hope little ol' Kansas State isn't too poor to build new structures for our inability to pay a f*cking janitor, though. 

Yes, those salaries are already being paid, but why? What kind of grants are "Leadership" professors bringing in? What purpose are those professors actually serving students? In reality, Leadership Studies should be on the chopping block with the economy in the tank and reduced state funding. Instead, K-State builds a permanent home for nothing but pure waste.

[Kat Kid]

From what I hear there's not much left to "study" on the facility itself, now it's just the money part, and from what I hear Currie is playing it close to the vest . . . because as I have said there's likely going to be some haters on campus come unhinged when this is announced given the overall financial situation at K-State (and all state schools in Kansas).   They'll be convinced that they're somehow robbing academic endeavors blind to build this thing.

Then again, we are talking about a school that built a brand new $12 million dollar building to support an academic minor program, and are paying a former school pres $255K a year to "work" in that building.  

That building was built with private funding turd.  Also, Wefald's golden parachute has nothing to do with that program.

[Belvis Noland]

Yes, those salaries are already being paid, but why? What kind of grants are "Leadership" professors bringing in? What purpose are those professors actually serving students? In reality, Leadership Studies should be on the chopping block with the economy in the tank and reduced state funding. Instead, K-State builds a permanent home for nothing but pure waste.

It sounds like you're arguing to cut the program completely.  Which I don't really have an opinion on either way.  However, using your criteria (won't get you a job, etc.) it seems like there are probably a hell of a lot of minors/majors taht we could cut.  i.e. conflict resolution, nonviolence studies, etc.  

With respect to the facility, however, I think it's a great, multi-functional addition to campus.  lecture hall, six classrooms, a student services center, resource library and study areas.  It will obviosuly serve more than merely leadership minor students.  

On top of that, the building is a positive improvement to campus, aesthetically and architecturally.  I think there's some value in that.  

[steve dave]

Everyone's posts in this thread are way too long