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Re: Feasibility
« Reply #75 on: April 29, 2010, 02:08:05 PM »
I like the new building.  It has coffee and pie.

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Re: Feasibility
« Reply #76 on: April 29, 2010, 02:09:05 PM »
I like the new building.  It has coffee and pie.

wait, wut  :surprised:

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Re: Feasibility
« Reply #77 on: April 29, 2010, 02:13:26 PM »
I like the new building.  It has coffee and pie.

wait, wut  :surprised:

could that leadership studies donation have gone into a trust fund that would have provided all campus buildings with pie into perpetuity?  true failure of leadership, if so.  study that.
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Re: Feasibility
« Reply #78 on: April 29, 2010, 02:22:37 PM »
I like the new building.  It has coffee and pie.

wait, wut  :surprised:

could that leadership studies donation have gone into a trust fund that would have provided all campus buildings with pie into perpetuity?  true failure of leadership, if so.  study that.
I think it could have.  Or at least funded an automated pie machine on the first floor of every building.

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Re: Feasibility
« Reply #79 on: April 29, 2010, 02:38:01 PM »
Yeah, this thread was getting too "serious." 

Need some serious dumbing down. 

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Re: Feasibility
« Reply #80 on: April 29, 2010, 02:43:02 PM »
kstate student:  "on my way to class, i'm a little early so i can enjoy a slice of free pie"
world:  "wait, wut   :surprised:"
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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Re: Feasibility
« Reply #81 on: April 29, 2010, 02:43:51 PM »
I like the new building.  It has coffee and pie.

wait, wut  :surprised:

could that leadership studies donation have gone into a trust fund that would have provided all campus buildings with pie into perpetuity?  true failure of leadership, if so.  study that.
I think it could have.  Or at least funded an automated pie machine on the first floor of every building.

Would these pie machines be as easy to steal pie from as it is to steal canned pop from pop machines?  If so, I am all aboard.  If not, shazbot! that....who pays for pie?

Now cobbler machines are a different story.

Please no one bring some mention of sorry ass cake into this discussion.  Cake is the biggest waste of calories and candles known to man.  Cake can GTFOOMF.

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Re: Feasibility
« Reply #82 on: April 29, 2010, 02:46:15 PM »
important job interviewer guy:  "i see you graduated from kstate.  some of our other applicants are from harvard, yale, princet...."
kstate student: "kstate has free pie."
ijig: "wait, wut  :surprised:"
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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Re: Feasibility
« Reply #83 on: April 29, 2010, 02:49:23 PM »
I'm curious how this pie outfit works.  You need a student id?  Limit on the amount of pie you get?  If they recognize you as guy who ate pie already once today do they make you wait until tommorow for more? 

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« Reply #84 on: April 29, 2010, 02:52:25 PM »

Yes, those salaries are already being paid, but why? What kind of grants are "Leadership" professors bringing in? What purpose are those professors actually serving students? In reality, Leadership Studies should be on the chopping block with the economy in the tank and reduced state funding. Instead, K-State builds a permanent home for nothing but pure waste.


It sounds like you're arguing to cut the program completely.  Which I don't really have an opinion on either way.  However, using your criteria (won't get you a job, etc.) it seems like there are probably a hell of a lot of minors/majors taht we could cut.  i.e. conflict resolution, nonviolence studies, etc.  

With respect to the facility, however, I think it's a great, multi-functional addition to campus.  lecture hall, six classrooms, a student services center, resource library and study areas.  It will obviosuly serve more than merely leadership minor students.  

On top of that, the building is a positive improvement to campus, aesthetically and architecturally.  I think there's some value in that.  

I never said it wasn't a nice building and I never saidi they shouldn't have built.

That being said.

I suspect the long desired 4th addition to the Engineering Complex would be an aesthically pleasing building as well, with extra classrooms, and lecture halls, and likely more computer labs.    It's also my understand the long desired 4th addition would house a state of the art computer operations center, imperative for the growth of K-State's expanding server based computer center and essential for K-State's growth as a research university.  

I suspect the long desired administrative/academic building in the Grain Science Complex would be a great addition to that end of campus, in addition, they could remodel the the spaces that Grain Science vacated and turned it over to Leadership Studies.


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Re: Feasibility
« Reply #85 on: April 29, 2010, 02:55:22 PM »
I'm curious how this pie outfit works.  You need a student id?  Limit on the amount of pie you get?  If they recognize you as guy who ate pie already once today do they make you wait until tommorow for more? 

nope.  free, all-you-can-eat pie for life.
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Re: Feasibility
« Reply #86 on: April 29, 2010, 02:58:40 PM »
kstate student, bball fan:  "enjoy your $3 popcorn, i just popped out to the bramlage pie dispenser myself."
rick daris:  "wait, wut  :surprised:"
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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Re: Feasibility
« Reply #87 on: April 29, 2010, 02:59:50 PM »
I'm curious how this pie outfit works.  You need a student id?  Limit on the amount of pie you get?  If they recognize you as guy who ate pie already once today do they make you wait until tommorow for more? 

nope.  free, all-you-can-eat pie for life.
:surprised:

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Re: Feasibility
« Reply #88 on: April 29, 2010, 03:02:01 PM »
kstate_pres:  "just popped out of the office for free pie.  yummy!"
other univ preses:  "wait, wut  :surprised:"
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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Re: Feasibility
« Reply #89 on: April 29, 2010, 03:10:09 PM »

I suspect the long desired 4th addition to the Engineering Complex would be an aesthically pleasing building as well, with extra classrooms, and lecture halls, and likely more computer labs.    It's also my understand the long desired 4th addition would house a state of the art computer operations center, imperative for the growth of K-State's expanding server based computer center and essential for K-State's growth as a research university.  

I suspect the long desired administrative/academic building in the Grain Science Complex would be a great addition to that end of campus, in addition, they could remodel the the spaces that Grain Science vacated and turned it over to Leadership Studies.


Can't disagree.  The University should find donors other than Staley to be the lead gifts on these projects.

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Re: Feasibility
« Reply #90 on: April 29, 2010, 03:14:25 PM »

Somewhat related to the intelligent non-pie discussion:

I heard a stat on NPR this week saying that KSU's Pres was quoted as saying that by 2014, the entire uni will be privately funded.  Said that in 2008 the uni received 42% funding from the state and that it is down to 22% this year.

I know nothing of this, but found it interested that the Pres stated that a public uni will be fully funded privately in the next few years.


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« Reply #91 on: April 29, 2010, 03:25:34 PM »
UPKS has been saying since Day one, that at current rates of funding, that the % of direct funding by the state as it relates to K-State's overall budget will drop off to the point that yes . . . in a few years by all matter of speaking K-State (and the Regents Schools) will be de facto "private schools" self generating almost all of their funding.

You really have to hand it to the Kansas Legislature and their funding of higher education.


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« Reply #92 on: April 30, 2010, 10:56:08 AM »
UPKS has been saying since Day one, that at current rates of funding, that the % of direct funding by the state as it relates to K-State's overall budget will drop off to the point that yes . . . in a few years by all matter of speaking K-State (and the Regents Schools) will be de facto "private schools" self generating almost all of their funding.

You really have to hand it to the Kansas Legislature and their funding of higher education.

methinks all levels of education will end up this way eventually.  prob for the better.

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Re: Feasibility
« Reply #93 on: April 30, 2010, 12:32:33 PM »

I didn't say the funds were mishandled or misappropriated . . . not once.   What I am saying is, that it was program spearheaded by the University President.  Leadership Studies has ALWAYS been one of the Weefers pet programs.   Plus how is the REALITY of Jon Wefald drawing a $255,000 a year salary based on his "contributions" to Leadership Studies a Red Herring??  The building and Jon Wefald are locked at the hip with each other.  Jon Wefald ensured that a $12 million dollar Leadership Studies building was farther up the list of priorities than facilities for key K-State programs . . . . and as such, he put his full weight behind the fund raising for it . . . again, one of his pet programs.   To say otherwise is just living in denial.  


Everything you are saying is accurate.  I don't disagree with anything you just posted. 

I do disagree, however, with your argument that financing this building through Warren Staley's personal & coporate money has hampered our fundraising for other projects.  I.e.

Meanwhile . . . there's about $40-$50 million dollars worth of buildings that will need to be privately financed that they can't find the money for

If KSU can't find money to finance other, more important projects, I have a hard time believing it is because Staley gave a lot of money for the Leadership Studies Building. 


He's saying that this is $12mil that was donated to a program that Stanley didn't graduate in. Wefald should of suggested that he donate that money to the program that Stanley got his degree in instead of creating an un-needed building for something so unimportant. That is where Wefald failed and Stanley's $12 mil going to leadership studies has hurt other programs' fundraising efforts.

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Re: Feasibility
« Reply #94 on: April 30, 2010, 12:35:23 PM »
I like the new building.  It has coffee and pie.

wait, wut  :surprised:

could that leadership studies donation have gone into a trust fund that would have provided all campus buildings with pie into perpetuity?  true failure of leadership, if so.  study that.


It's right across the street from the Bakery Science lab. Pie is readily available there every day. This is a moot point.

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Re: Feasibility
« Reply #95 on: April 30, 2010, 12:52:36 PM »
I like the new building.  It has coffee and pie.

wait, wut  :surprised:

could that leadership studies donation have gone into a trust fund that would have provided all campus buildings with pie into perpetuity?  true failure of leadership, if so.  study that.


It's right across the street from the Bakery Science lab. Pie is readily available there every day. This is a moot point.

wait, wut  :surprised:

Is Manhattan, KS some pie Shangri-La?!?

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Re: Feasibility
« Reply #96 on: April 30, 2010, 01:32:16 PM »
$12 million sure does buy a lot of pie

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Re: Feasibility
« Reply #97 on: April 30, 2010, 11:02:16 PM »
I like the new building.  It has coffee and pie.

wait, wut  :surprised:

could that leadership studies donation have gone into a trust fund that would have provided all campus buildings with pie into perpetuity?  true failure of leadership, if so.  study that.


It's right across the street from the Bakery Science lab. Pie is readily available there every day. This is a moot point.

wait, wut  :surprised:

Is Manhattan, KS some pie Shangri-La?!?

pffttt, dunno why this made me laugh.
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« Reply #98 on: May 01, 2010, 08:25:38 AM »

So K-State and every other regents school has an incredible backlog of maintenance issues totaling hundreds of millions of dollars ... and another building won't take away from making those improvements right? It may have been privately funded but the salaries for those who occupy the building and the ongoing maintenance are not.


The salaries of the people occupying the building are already being paid.  But, you make a good point that the maintenance costs and upkeep are new costs. 

however, I hope little ol' Kansas State isn't too poor to build new structures for our inability to pay a f*cking janitor, though. 

Yes, those salaries are already being paid, but why? What kind of grants are "Leadership" professors bringing in? What purpose are those professors actually serving students? In reality, Leadership Studies should be on the chopping block with the economy in the tank and reduced state funding. Instead, K-State builds a permanent home for nothing but pure waste.

Because if there's one thing a public university should be concerned about it is the bottom line.  Jesus Christ, where the hell are the hippies supposed to go 06wildcat?  If we can't go to higher education, then where?

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Re: Feasibility
« Reply #99 on: May 01, 2010, 11:23:39 AM »
UPKS has been saying since Day one, that at current rates of funding, that the % of direct funding by the state as it relates to K-State's overall budget will drop off to the point that yes . . . in a few years by all matter of speaking K-State (and the Regents Schools) will be de facto "private schools" self generating almost all of their funding.

You really have to hand it to the Kansas Legislature and their funding of higher education.



One of these days, my wife and I plan on moving back to Kansas, but at this rate, I may stay in Missouri.

They may get to go to a Big Ten school at that point.   :excited: