Author Topic: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look (Read 159125 times)

star seed 7 · « **Reply #25 on:** November 10, 2015, 06:54:27 PM »

so basically you want the exact same thing you're accusing the mu students of wanting, to lower standards to hire a certain demographic

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #26 on:** November 10, 2015, 06:56:20 PM »

Quote from: libliblibliblibliblib on November 10, 2015, 06:54:27 PM

so basically you want the exact same thing you're accusing the mu students of wanting, to lower standards to hire a certain demographic

I haven't said one word about hiring practices at mu (at least that I can recall and it certainly hasn't been a focus at all). But it's good to know that you're implying that hiring political conservatives immediately lowers standards. LOL, so obvious.

Asteriskhead · « **Reply #27 on:** November 10, 2015, 06:59:06 PM »

No public university could ever legally hire or fire based upon political beliefs.

michigancat · « **Reply #28 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:01:42 PM »

Quote from: sonofdaxjones on November 10, 2015, 06:52:28 PM

Or afraid of it, I mean when people are forced to resign for not becoming more emotional, then that's a pretty slippery slope. When the mobs hit the quad because they don't like an article or an email, that's pretty scary and many university administrators are quite spineless.

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"Placing more emphasis on diversity of political beliefs when hiring [would] almost certainly require sacrificing on general quality or other dimensions of diversity."

That doesn't seem like a terribly strong connection to PC culture or overly sensitive students.

CHONGS · « **Reply #29 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:02:04 PM »

Seems like tenure could help.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #30 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:02:52 PM »

according to the person in the link they haven't had a suitable conservative applicant. you either believe that or don't.

personally i don't see what political leanings has to do with teaching students. the information is the same no matter which side you fall on.

Asteriskhead · « **Reply #31 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:05:35 PM »

I mean, this board's namesake. good grief.

steve dave · « **Reply #32 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:09:39 PM »

Quote from: Chingon on November 10, 2015, 07:02:04 PM

Seems like tenure could help.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #33 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:11:47 PM »

Quote from: libliblibliblibliblib on November 10, 2015, 07:02:52 PM

according to the person in the link they haven't had a suitable conservative applicant. you either believe that or don't.

personally i don't see what political leanings has to do with teaching students. the information is the same no matter which side you fall on.

You actually believe there aren't profs with political agendas or profs who don't disseminate information with a political bias?

You've got academic fringe types like Bill Nye who are trying to silence "denialists" just like universities have tried to do the same. There's literally academics who want to prosecute so called "denialists" using RICO laws.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #34 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:13:52 PM »

so a tv personality is your proof of bias? next are you going to cite the movie god's not dead?

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #35 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:23:48 PM »

Quote from: libliblibliblibliblib on November 10, 2015, 07:13:52 PM

so a tv personality is your proof of bias? next are you going to cite the movie god's not dead?

I guess you skipped over "fringe" and completely ignored the second part which has nothing to do with Nye.

When a fringe (there I said it again) academic like Nye gets the play he does, with his dystopian ideals of squelching any perceived decent on a scientific theory, it needs to be called out. You can take down your life size Nye poster now Lib.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #36 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:32:12 PM »

well climate change is currently the global scientific consensus, so i'm not sure how teaching it would be political except to someone like yourself. surely your denier children will be able to brave though such scientific learning. the global scientific consensus of evolution should be taught too, despite what some religious organizations have to say on the matter.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #37 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:36:34 PM »

Quote from: libliblibliblibliblib on November 10, 2015, 07:32:12 PM

well climate change is currently the global scientific consensus, so i'm not sure how teaching it would be political except to someone like yourself. surely your denier children will be able to brave though such scientific learning. the global scientific consensus of evolution should be taught too, despite what some religious organizations have to say on the matter.

My children have been firmly indoctrinated in Warmist Propagandism at public institutions of learning. It's political lib (you seem to have a real comprehension problem here) when Warmist Propagandist scientists seek to use a highly politicized legal process to prosecute scientists who disagree with them. This is not hard, quit skimming the posts or don't bother responding. Nothing says confidence in finding like running to the politicians to make the "bad people" go away . . . to jail.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #38 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:38:14 PM »

i highly doubt your "rico" investigations are a) as you represent them and b) widely popular

DQ12 · « **Reply #39 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:39:06 PM »

i don't think we should turn the free speech on college campuses thread into a damn global warming debate.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #40 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:39:50 PM »

dax thinks there's some sort of PC connection, i'm helping him flesh it out

chum1 · « **Reply #41 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:41:54 PM »

You know what's totally PC? Obamacare.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #42 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:44:43 PM »

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #43 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:45:05 PM »

Quote from: libliblibliblibliblib on November 10, 2015, 07:38:14 PM

i highly doubt your "rico" investigations are a) as you represent them and b) widely popular

Just the simple fact that even one scientist is proposing that is scary enough.

20 scientists (employed by predominately public universities) sent a letter to Obama wanting prosecution of "corporations and other organizations" under RICO. Other organizations implies the broad brush of anyone who disagrees. This isn't cigarette companies denying that Tobacco causes cancer, this is dissent in the study of one of the most complex systems in existence.

It's absolutely a PC connection when academics want to prosecute dissenters. This is not a stretch by any . . . stretch. You're getting killed here lib, absolutely killed.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #44 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:46:44 PM »

20 out of literally hundreds of thousands of scientists wrote a letter. good grief dax, you really know how to make a mountain out of a mole hill

steve dave · « **Reply #45 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:48:49 PM »

Restriction of my free speech, forcing their climate change OPINION on me, etc. All politics on campus imo.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #46 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:49:24 PM »

Quote from: libliblibliblibliblib on November 10, 2015, 07:46:44 PM

20 out of literally hundreds of thousands of scientists wrote a letter. good grief dax, you really know how to make a mountain out of a mole hill

When 20 scientists at public universities write letters to the president and attorney general wanting to prosecute those who disagree and with the, dare I say, political climate that exists now. It's not a mole hill in the least. But it figures you don't think it's a big deal. 20 predominately publicly funded employees are lobbying the president and AG to prosecute those who disagree with them. Draconian.

steve dave · « **Reply #47 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:52:35 PM »

Well, I mean, they're not getting prosecuted tho.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #48 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:53:08 PM »

but 20 dudes wrote a letter!

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #49 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:54:03 PM »

Quote from: steve dave on November 10, 2015, 07:52:35 PM

Well, I mean, they're not getting prosecuted tho.

Why the concept of legal prosecution even enter into a scientific debate?

Face it lib, your stance was that nothing along the RICO lines even existed earlier, now you're just back tracking that it was "just 20" . . . how sad.