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Re: I think the Missouri football players just went on strike
« Reply #100 on: November 08, 2015, 02:15:22 PM »
Yeah, not wanting crap swastikas and being called a n-word on campus is very entitled and immature.
I'd bet that Wolfe also opposes crap swastikas and racial epithets. 


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Re: I think the Missouri football players just went on strike
« Reply #101 on: November 08, 2015, 02:16:26 PM »
The diff between wolfe and almost everyone else is that he has quite a bit of power to change things at MU.

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Re: I think the Missouri football players just went on strike
« Reply #102 on: November 08, 2015, 02:17:21 PM »
Yeah, not wanting crap swastikas and being called a n-word on campus is very entitled and immature.
I'd bet that Wolfe also opposes crap swastikas and racial epithets.

I suspect you're correct
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Re: I think the Missouri football players just went on strike
« Reply #103 on: November 08, 2015, 02:19:31 PM »
And population percentages should be equally reflected in a university's staff? I don't agree with that.
It seems reasonable for a public institution to at least make an effort to achieve that goal.

Or they could just focus on hiring the most qualified people.

Man, that'd be nice wouldn't it?

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Re: I think the Missouri football players just went on strike
« Reply #104 on: November 08, 2015, 02:25:08 PM »
What if Wolfe fired Pinkel and then immediately brought in someone like John Harbaugh. He'd be a saviour.

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Re: I think the Missouri football players just went on strike
« Reply #105 on: November 08, 2015, 02:30:17 PM »
Has Kim Anderson and the basketball team decided to not play as well?
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Re: I think the Missouri football players just went on strike
« Reply #106 on: November 08, 2015, 03:06:35 PM »
So I'm going to tell a personal story about white privilege and hiring practices. I've had urges before to post this but the people most likely to read it are probably the people who I'm not really speaking to and I also don't want people to feel any guilt, shame, or pity. However, white privilege and hiring practices have been brought up itt, so I'm going to go with it. This might be long as this is complete stream of consciousness.

So I have always been of the opinion that in some ways I have got to experience some form of white privilege because of where I grew up. I mean I had to deal with things like my girlfriend's parents once calling me to their house to have dinner and to tell us about how miserable our lives are going to be because they have friends and neighbors that would kill their daughter's boyfriend if he were black and that no one wants zebra babies and I will never be able to be able to support a family because no one in Kansas will hire a black to do anything but manual labor. But because I didn't grow up around black people, other than my family of course, I learned to assimilate with the people around me, it wasn't even assimilating but it is just all I knew. So when I got older and I was around white people I didn't feel terribly uncomfortable because that was and has been my life. I grew up in Kansas and as an adult I lived in Carrollton, TX, Maine, Boston, New Hampshire, an rural Iowa. So when I meet black people who have to interact with a majority of white people when they haven't to this point in their lives I feel a twinge of guilt.

So there were two times in my life, obviously there have been more, but these two times I am going to talk about were times when white privilege slapped me in the face and both were job related. The first concurred when I was in high school, it was the summer before my junior year and I had a job but I wanted another one because I wanted to save up to buy a car. At the time there were five black boys at Garden City High School out of nearly 2000 students, I was good friends with two of them. Me and one of the other black guys, who also had a job but was looking for another one at the time decided to apply for a job at Meyers Ice, I think they are still around. Anyway they advertised that they were looking for high schoolers for seasonal help. Me and my friend that went in to apply, we didn't go in together, had both had work experience. I had a job non stop from the time I was 12 until now, and he had the same job for three years before we applied. Well the gentleman hiring at Meyers Ice didn't hire either of us, he ended up hiring three white kids, two of which were good friends of mine, none of them had ever had a job before, two of them were physically significantly smaller than us which is odd for a job that required you to move blocks and bags of ice all day. As if there were any doubt that we weren't hired because we were black, all doubt was removed when the guys were told that some niggers tried to get that job.

Some of you may know that I am a camp director. I have worked in this field for 15 years. I used to work in New England, for those of you that don't know the camping field, working at private camps in New England is like coaching football in the SEC, it's undoubtedly the best of the best. I spent 7 years working at a coed camp with tuition of $10,000 a summer. I was the head counselor which at this camp is essentially the offensive line or quarterbacks coach. When you work in private for-profit camping a lot of your time in the offseason is spent with recruiting campers, again very similar to coaching football. After seven years at this camp I got the opportunity to go to a similar camp, but all boys to be the assistant director; essentially the offensive coordinator. I happily took the position as it put me one step closer to becoming a director. After about six months on the job it was very obvious that although I was the offensive coordinator, one of the people working under me, 10 years my junior in age and experience, was essentially the director in waiting. Now this person was the current owner/director's daughter so I wasn't completely pissed but I couldn't stay at a position that I had no chance of advancing in. After two years I decided to start looking for a director's job. I was point blank told that as a black man I didn't stand much of a chance of getting a job in the liberal northeast because it would be tough for parents and referral agents to send their kids to me. I also failed to mention that I was also told by one of these directors that I was the "whitest black guy they have ever met," this happened in a professional setting. I had great references and recommendations from some of the most well thought of people in this industry yet I couldn't get an owner of a private camp to believe in me, all because of the color of my skin. Now I am the director of a non for profit agency camp in Iowa which is the equivalency of being the head coach of a division three school.

The point of all of this is that white privilege absolutely exists no matter how some people want to deny it's existence. Look at college and pro sports coaches, these are the most public of jobs you can have in this country. Look at the opportunities black coaches get, look at what happens when they fail then compare that with white coaches that fail. There simply isn't the same opportunities afforded minority coaches and the same amount of rope given to succeed, this isn't even in doubt. So if it is this way with the very public hiring and firing of sports team coaches, how do you think it is in the private sector where there is no attention, no scrutiny? There is simply no way it can be better.

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Re: I think the Missouri football players just went on strike
« Reply #107 on: November 08, 2015, 03:12:40 PM »
good post, MIR.


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Re: I think the Missouri football players just went on strike
« Reply #108 on: November 08, 2015, 03:20:28 PM »
I didn't realize GC had so few black people!

But yeah, I enjoyed that post.

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Re: I think the Missouri football players just went on strike
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Re: I think the Missouri football players just went on strike
« Reply #110 on: November 08, 2015, 04:10:56 PM »
Wow MIR, sounds like you've had some shitty experiences. But it sounds like you kinda just lived your life and went about finding a job where you didn't have to put up with that crap. Good for you. You know what probably wouldn't have helped? Going on hunger strike until your demands were met, like the resignation of some white camp owner you probably never even met. Why can't people just live their lives and ignore all the real and not so real unfairness? Life's not fair. Bitching about it gets you nowhere.

My wife and I both work at jobs with black coworkers and black managers, some of whom outrank us. They're doing just fine. So are we. Race is not an issue. People are just living their lives, doing their jobs.

At my company, the owners son is drawing a paycheck to basically do nothing and one day he'll be on the board. Who the eff cares? Good for him. I'll live my life and he can live his.
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Re: I think the Missouri football players just went on strike
« Reply #111 on: November 08, 2015, 04:25:02 PM »
Wow MIR, sounds like you've had some shitty experiences. But it sounds like you kinda just lived your life and went about finding a job where you didn't have to put up with that crap. Good for you. You know what probably wouldn't have helped? Going on hunger strike until your demands were met, like the resignation of some white camp owner you probably never even met. Why can't people just live their lives and ignore all the real and not so real unfairness? Life's not fair. Bitching about it gets you nowhere.

My wife and I both work at jobs with black coworkers and black managers, some of whom outrank us. They're doing just fine. So are we. Race is not an issue. People are just living their lives, doing their jobs.

At my company, the owners son is drawing a paycheck to basically do nothing and one day he'll be on the board. Who the eff cares? Good for him. I'll live my life and he can live his.

Is it your opinion that collective action to protest injustice has never been successful?

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Re: I think the Missouri football players just went on strike
« Reply #112 on: November 08, 2015, 04:33:37 PM »
Wow MIR, sounds like you've had some shitty experiences. But it sounds like you kinda just lived your life and went about finding a job where you didn't have to put up with that crap. Good for you. You know what probably wouldn't have helped? Going on hunger strike until your demands were met, like the resignation of some white camp owner you probably never even met. Why can't people just live their lives and ignore all the real and not so real unfairness? Life's not fair. Bitching about it gets you nowhere.

My wife and I both work at jobs with black coworkers and black managers, some of whom outrank us. They're doing just fine. So are we. Race is not an issue. People are just living their lives, doing their jobs.

At my company, the owners son is drawing a paycheck to basically do nothing and one day he'll be on the board. Who the eff cares? Good for him. I'll live my life and he can live his.

You missed the point, every point it seems. Should I just be happy that I have a job far beneath my skill and my accomplishments, because I'm not. I wish I had the conviction to go on a hunger strike for injustice and inequality because I certainly would. I have kids and I want things to be better for them that it was for me. I have no idea why you went to the comparison of "some white camp owner I have never met" the gentleman having a hunger strike has met the system president, more than once. Clearly the hunger strike has had some affect, the country is talking about this and the administration is feeling pressure.

Also your little life is not fair rant is trite and insulting. I also never insisted that african americans aren't managers and decision makers so I'm not sure why your story about blacks who "outrank" you is relevant. I'm in charge, I make the rules, I hire and fire; none of that has a damn thing to do with equal opportunity I have no idea how you can't see that.

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Re: I think the Missouri football players just went on strike
« Reply #113 on: November 08, 2015, 04:57:03 PM »
I think ksuw deliberately misses the point
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Re: I think the Missouri football players just went on strike
« Reply #114 on: November 08, 2015, 04:58:54 PM »
So, if the Missouri football team forfeits the rest of their season, how pissed is the SEC going to be?  There's a lot of money in the television contracts.


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Re: I think the Missouri football players just went on strike
« Reply #115 on: November 08, 2015, 06:00:43 PM »
So, if the Missouri football team forfeits the rest of their season, how pissed is the SEC going to be?  There's a lot of money in the television contracts.

That money is already distributed. I wonder if the SEC would make the university reimburse gate revenue for any road games that would be cancelled. Likewise I wonder if camarohead would try to recoup money for missed revenue from this weekend's game.

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Re: I think the Missouri football players just went on strike
« Reply #116 on: November 08, 2015, 06:04:57 PM »
My guess is since this story is gaining national attention that it will be resolved* in the next couple of days.

Also, where is the MU chancellor in all of this? Seems weird that only Wolfe is being singled out here.

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Re: I think the Missouri football players just went on strike
« Reply #117 on: November 08, 2015, 06:15:10 PM »
Wow MIR, sounds like you've had some shitty experiences. But it sounds like you kinda just lived your life and went about finding a job where you didn't have to put up with that crap. Good for you. You know what probably wouldn't have helped? Going on hunger strike until your demands were met, like the resignation of some white camp owner you probably never even met. Why can't people just live their lives and ignore all the real and not so real unfairness? Life's not fair. Bitching about it gets you nowhere.

My wife and I both work at jobs with black coworkers and black managers, some of whom outrank us. They're doing just fine. So are we. Race is not an issue. People are just living their lives, doing their jobs.

At my company, the owners son is drawing a paycheck to basically do nothing and one day he'll be on the board. Who the eff cares? Good for him. I'll live my life and he can live his.

You missed the point, every point it seems. Should I just be happy that I have a job far beneath my skill and my accomplishments, because I'm not. I wish I had the conviction to go on a hunger strike for injustice and inequality because I certainly would. I have kids and I want things to be better for them that it was for me. I have no idea why you went to the comparison of "some white camp owner I have never met" the gentleman having a hunger strike has met the system president, more than once. Clearly the hunger strike has had some affect, the country is talking about this and the administration is feeling pressure.

Also your little life is not fair rant is trite and insulting. I also never insisted that african americans aren't managers and decision makers so I'm not sure why your story about blacks who "outrank" you is relevant. I'm in charge, I make the rules, I hire and fire; none of that has a damn thing to do with equal opportunity I have no idea how you can't see that.

Look bub, you either like your job or you don't. If you feel it's beneath your skill level and accomplishments as a camp counselor, get a new job. Or don't. But don't bitch about how raaaaacism and white privilege are holding you back. JFC. Quit whining.
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Re: I think the Missouri football players just went on strike
« Reply #118 on: November 08, 2015, 06:19:19 PM »
Lol, just as expected
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Re: I think the Missouri football players just went on strike
« Reply #119 on: November 08, 2015, 06:22:30 PM »
Looks like a lot of first world problems...everybody grab a latte and talk this one out.  Nike gear and unlimited meal pass optional. 

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« Reply #120 on: November 08, 2015, 06:26:19 PM »
Where is the meeting!  Starbucks?  Caribou?  Or we could just adjourn to the Union are cheese steaks available?

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« Reply #121 on: November 08, 2015, 06:37:12 PM »
Wow MIR, sounds like you've had some shitty experiences. But it sounds like you kinda just lived your life and went about finding a job where you didn't have to put up with that crap. Good for you. You know what probably wouldn't have helped? Going on hunger strike until your demands were met, like the resignation of some white camp owner you probably never even met. Why can't people just live their lives and ignore all the real and not so real unfairness? Life's not fair. Bitching about it gets you nowhere.

My wife and I both work at jobs with black coworkers and black managers, some of whom outrank us. They're doing just fine. So are we. Race is not an issue. People are just living their lives, doing their jobs.

At my company, the owners son is drawing a paycheck to basically do nothing and one day he'll be on the board. Who the eff cares? Good for him. I'll live my life and he can live his.

You missed the point, every point it seems. Should I just be happy that I have a job far beneath my skill and my accomplishments, because I'm not. I wish I had the conviction to go on a hunger strike for injustice and inequality because I certainly would. I have kids and I want things to be better for them that it was for me. I have no idea why you went to the comparison of "some white camp owner I have never met" the gentleman having a hunger strike has met the system president, more than once. Clearly the hunger strike has had some affect, the country is talking about this and the administration is feeling pressure.

Also your little life is not fair rant is trite and insulting. I also never insisted that african americans aren't managers and decision makers so I'm not sure why your story about blacks who "outrank" you is relevant. I'm in charge, I make the rules, I hire and fire; none of that has a damn thing to do with equal opportunity I have no idea how you can't see that.

Look bub, you either like your job or you don't. If you feel it's beneath your skill level and accomplishments as a camp counselor, get a new job. Or don't. But don't bitch about how raaaaacism and white privilege are holding you back. JFC. Quit whining.

KSUW, do you consider yourself racist? Do you think racism exists? What do you think racism is?

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Re: I think the Missouri football players just went on strike
« Reply #122 on: November 08, 2015, 06:41:00 PM »
Looks like a lot of first world problems...everybody grab a latte and talk this one out.  Nike gear and unlimited meal pass optional.

Yeah bud, dealing with racial equality is absolutely a first world problem. Equality generally isn't an issue when you're surrounded by people that look like you and you all are wondering where you're going to get some clean water from. What's your point?

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« Reply #123 on: November 08, 2015, 06:42:31 PM »
I am failing to see where the racial inequality is at.  The actions of a few or singular dumb people/person, defiling a wall, doesn't equal racial inequality.

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« Reply #124 on: November 08, 2015, 07:05:04 PM »
I am failing to see where the racial inequality is at.  The actions of a few or singular dumb people/person, defiling a wall, doesn't equal racial inequality.

How many times do you need to be told that these incidents in the fall and the succeeding inaction by the administration was not the starting point but the tipping point?