Author Topic: Marco Rubio Master Thread (Read 75634 times)

K-S-U-Wildcats! · « **Reply #450 on:** February 09, 2016, 10:41:46 PM »

Quote from: Kat Kid on February 09, 2016, 10:12:06 PM

man, sure sounds like Rubio is done. Who told us that?

I think you did. Only it doesn't look at all like Rubio is done. He performed poorly in New Hampshire. He'll stay in through Super Tuesday, at least, and I expect he'll perform better.

Ptolemy · « **Reply #451 on:** February 09, 2016, 10:43:14 PM »

Establishment options Kasich, Bush, Rubio, Christie likely staying in race = no one RINO candidate to coalesce behind = good news for America, whomever ends up getting the nomination.

No GOP candidate has ever won the nomination after losing both Iowa and New Hampshire.

sys · « **Reply #452 on:** February 09, 2016, 10:51:38 PM »

christie isn't likely staying in. didn't qualify for the next debate and running out of money. he gone.

Ptolemy · « **Reply #453 on:** February 09, 2016, 10:52:54 PM »

Star Wars, Episode 2a: The RINO Wars Begin!

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/john-kasich-new-hampshire-republican-establishment-219036

Kat Kid · « **Reply #454 on:** February 09, 2016, 11:03:04 PM »

Quote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 09, 2016, 10:41:46 PM

Quote from: Kat Kid on February 09, 2016, 10:12:06 PM
man, sure sounds like Rubio is done. Who told us that?

I think you did. Only it doesn't look at all like Rubio is done. He performed poorly in New Hampshire. He'll stay in through Super Tuesday, at least, and I expect he'll perform better.

You and Bill Kristol.

bones129 · « **Reply #455 on:** February 09, 2016, 11:48:33 PM »

Christie is done. Rubio is likely done.

Cire · « **Reply #456 on:** February 10, 2016, 03:46:57 AM »

Rubio isn't done but he's going to need something drastic to happen.

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chum1 · « **Reply #457 on:** February 10, 2016, 06:11:23 AM »

Now that he's an underdog, I'm pulling for little robot Rubio.

Cire · « **Reply #458 on:** February 10, 2016, 06:20:55 AM »

http://linkis.com/www.breitbart.com/bi/cKGHv

I wish I lived in a state that got these ads

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Yard Dog · « **Reply #459 on:** February 10, 2016, 08:23:26 AM »

It blows my mind people think Rubio now has no chance to win and should fold it up. He is currently standing in third as far as delegates are concerned which is what actually matters. He has a strong presence in South Carolina and Nevada so the next debate could be huge for him.

Current delegate totals:

Trump: 17

Cruz: 10

Rubio: 7

Kasich: 4

Carson: 3

Bush: 3

Fiorina: 1

Christie: 0

There are a lot of states to go with a lot greater delegate totals. If Bush completely underperforms in the next two states Rubio could carry Florida which has 99 delegates. This race aint over folks!

For all you Bernie supporters, the current Dem totals are:

Hillary Clinton: 394

Bernie Sanders: 42

wetwillie · « **Reply #460 on:** February 10, 2016, 08:29:44 AM »

I'm at the point where I've realized that trump is going to win the necessary delegates to win the nomination but hope the republican establishment pulls some bullshit at the convention and gives someone else the nomination

ChiComCat · « **Reply #461 on:** February 10, 2016, 08:34:49 AM »

If the field stays remotely crowded, I don't know that Trump will get the delegates. I would also think that Trump has a lower likelihood to pick up orphaned delegates than someone else.

K-S-U-Wildcats! · « **Reply #462 on:** February 10, 2016, 08:48:27 AM »

Whole lotta kneejerk crappy political analysis goin on up in here.

First, the "nobody has ever won the nomination without winning Iowa or NH" conventional wisdom means almost nothing in the dynamics of this particular race. This is because the "pragmatic conservative vote" (or "establishment vote") is still badly fractured. Trump and Cruz have already won their "lanes" (outsider and fiery conservative, respectively), but the pragmatic lane is still jammed up. It will not remain so for long.

We're now down to a 4.5 man race. Christie will likely officially suspend his campaign soon, and Carson may or may not, but he's effectively done. Trump, Cruz, and Rubio already punched their tickets in Iowa, and NH has not changed that for Rubio. Last night wasn't a good showing for Rubio, but it wasn't terrible, either.

Kasich punched his ticket in NH. Bush finished in 4th narrowly behind Cruz - in New Hampshire. That's bad, but he'll limp along for a while longer. That's your 4.5.

I still think this was the high water mark for Kasich and Bush, and they'll fold by Super Tuesday, giving extra bounce to Rubio, and then we'll be down to a 3 man race.

Ultimately, this hurts Trump the most, as I just can't see him crossing that 33-35% threshold.

It is really telling how much the media (and certain posters here) are salivating over the prospect of Rubio losing - they are worried about him.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #463 on:** February 10, 2016, 09:27:52 AM »

Kasich and Bush are better than Rubio, so I would be glad if he ultimately lost to either of them.

Cire · « **Reply #464 on:** February 10, 2016, 09:48:55 AM »

Can Rubio afford to have another "good" debate?

K-S-U-Wildcats! · « **Reply #465 on:** February 10, 2016, 09:53:48 AM »

Quote from: Cire on February 10, 2016, 09:48:55 AM

Can Rubio afford to have another "good" debate?

You realize that on Rubio's worst night, he is still a better in a debate than anyone on that stage except Cruz? It was the media's narrative that damaged Rubio - not his actual debate.

ChiComCat · « **Reply #466 on:** February 10, 2016, 10:00:21 AM »

Bush/Kasich/Rubio look like the guys with the opportunity to be the "establishment" guy. Once the other candidates start dropping, they should benefit the most.

Kasich has a decent result now but not the money. Still in it but a long shot. Bush dropping would give him a shot at donors. A shot at momentum and media attention if he can string together some good results.

Bush has the money but pud results. Has to outlast Kasich (entirely possible) and hope that Rubio implodes. Tough to build momentum when he is a member of the Bush dynasty.

Rubio has a result and money. Youth and energy could help him build momentum. Not building on Iowa hurt but I would still put him as a strong front runner in this group.

K-S-U-Wildcats! · « **Reply #467 on:** February 10, 2016, 10:02:44 AM »

I wouldn't say Rubio is "front runner" but otherwise agree. I think he still emerges in the Final 3.

chum1 · « **Reply #468 on:** February 10, 2016, 10:07:28 AM »

Rubio is basically on robot life support at this point.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #469 on:** February 10, 2016, 10:08:28 AM »

Quote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 10, 2016, 09:53:48 AM

Quote from: Cire on February 10, 2016, 09:48:55 AM
Can Rubio afford to have another "good" debate?

You realize that on Rubio's worst night, he is still a better in a debate than anyone on that stage except Cruz? It was the media's narrative that damaged Rubio - not his actual debate.

Media

ChiComCat · « **Reply #470 on:** February 10, 2016, 10:08:44 AM »

Quote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 10, 2016, 10:02:44 AM

I wouldn't say Rubio is "front runner" but otherwise agree. I think he still emerges in the Final 3.

Front runner to be the establishment guy is what I meant.

chuckjames · « **Reply #471 on:** February 10, 2016, 10:16:00 AM »

The first state that Rubio wins is.....

catastrophe · « **Reply #472 on:** February 10, 2016, 10:18:23 AM »

Quote from: Yard Dog on February 10, 2016, 08:23:26 AM

For all you Bernie supporters, the current Dem totals are:

Hillary Clinton: 394

Bernie Sanders: 42

Something has to be broken when a candidate receives more actual votes but ends up with only 10% of the delegates.

ChiComCat · « **Reply #473 on:** February 10, 2016, 10:26:14 AM »

Quote from: catastrophe on February 10, 2016, 10:18:23 AM

Quote from: Yard Dog on February 10, 2016, 08:23:26 AM

For all you Bernie supporters, the current Dem totals are:

Hillary Clinton: 394

Bernie Sanders: 42

Something has to be broken when a candidate receives more actual votes but ends up with only 10% of the delegates.

Dems have super delegates that do whatever the eff they want. Delegates from elections are fairly even. Republicans have their own version of this. Helps to make sure the establishment gets what they want.

Yard Dog · « **Reply #474 on:** February 10, 2016, 10:55:45 AM »

Quote from: chuckjames on February 10, 2016, 10:16:00 AM

The first state that Rubio wins is.....

South Carolina or Nevada.