Untucking

[Steffy08]

They clearly said that the right talent was not being put on the field in 2001.

I agree that we don't always play our most athletic players.  But the reason is because our coaches believe that smart, mistake free football is best way for ksu to win.  Maybe Miami or Baylor is better with a different philosophy, but this has worked very well for us.  It is important to remember that we won more conference  games 2011-14 than any other big 12 school.  Same staff, same philosophy.

We are young and just decimated by injuries.  Not that yesterday isn't painful, but this staff-particularly Snyder--have tons of credibility.  Yesterday was ugly, but everybody is overreacting.

Also, some of those former players have axes to grind, including coke head tp.

[CHONGS]

I just don't think you can hand wave away 55-0 as bad luck.

[sonofdaxjones]

It's not an issue of credibility Steffy, and you're just a dude on a message board.  The former players points are valid. 

[Mixed-Nutz]

Everything is pretty crazy, expect for the fact Bill refuses to put an emphasis on recruiting.

[Steffy08]

It's not an issue of credibility Steffy, and you're just a dude on a message board.  The former players points are valid.

I agree that we shouldn't discount everything former players say. But most should be taken with grain of salt. Some of them can't be objective, and some are just morons.  In any event, more players would support Snyder than oppose.

[AndrewVonLintel]

Are we seriously considering running off LHC Bill Snyder?

Dude has won 2 Big 12 championships and takes us to a bowl game 75% of the time.

He has generally been paid below market and chose not to move on to potentially greener pastures (UCLA).

I agree that I am not happy with this current team and it is significantly bigger than injuries  (Hubener was in contention for the starting gig the whole time).   I would mention that the last time Kansas State got shutout it was a couple years before a Strong National Title run in 1998.

My recommendations to LHC Bill Snyder would be to hire a new offensive coordinator and a new defensive coordinator or retire again.  Collin Klein, Tyler Lockett and Ty Zimmerman made up for a lot of coaching deficiencies.

I am fine with Snyder staying on until Currie is gone but he needs to put more effort into hiring staff and recruiting players.

[Mixed-Nutz]

Are we seriously considering running off LHC LHC Bill Snyder?

Dude has won 2 Big 12 championships and takes us to a bowl game 75% of the time.

He has generally been paid below market and chose not to move on to potentially greener pastures (UCLA).

I agree that I am not happy with this current team and it is significantly bigger than injuries  (Hubener was in contention for the starting gig the whole time).   I would mention that the last time Kansas State got shutout it was a couple years before a Strong National Title run in 1998.

My recommendations to LHC LHC Bill Snyder would be to hire a new offensive coordinator and a new defensive coordinator or retire again.  Collin Klein, Tyler Lockett and Ty Zimmerman made up for a lot of coaching deficiencies.

I am fine with Snyder staying on until Currie is gone but he needs to put more effort into hiring staff and recruiting players.

I think coordinators would be fine if you surround them with some more recruiters. Hell Coordinators won a championship a couple of years ago.

[Panjandrum]

There's also no reason why that in year 6 of Snyder II that we're even discussing the lack of talent.  The talent should be at its pinnacle!

agreed. In regards to 2001, who would they have put on the field that didn't get PT?  Serious question, I'm struggling to recall names off the top of my head. The WR corps was terrible, I remember that. The defense had double digit numbers make the NFL so I'm not sure there was an issue there. Offensively the only thing we did well was run the ball but we struggled with it against several good teams because other than OU Roberson really struggled as a passer. And again, the receivers were probably the worst group we've had in recent memory, until this year of course.

Lockett got sketti brained against USC, and I remember Brandon Clark was a primary target.

Was Davin Dennis around then?  I can't remember.  It felt like was around for seven or eight years.

[michigancat]

Recruiting is much better now, compared to our good years on the field. We sucked at recruiting during the Colin years and we're paying for it now.

[wazucat]

Recruiting is much better now, compared to our good years on the field. We sucked at recruiting during the Colin years and we're paying for it now.

Yes Coleman has made Georgia into what Florida was in the early days of Bill 1.0, but we are only seeing it in Duke right now.

[MakeItRain]

Are we seriously considering running off LHC Bill Snyder?

Dude has won 2 Big 12 championships and takes us to a bowl game 75% of the time.

He has generally been paid below market and chose not to move on to potentially greener pastures (UCLA).

I agree that I am not happy with this current team and it is significantly bigger than injuries  (Hubener was in contention for the starting gig the whole time).   I would mention that the last time Kansas State got shutout it was a couple years before a Strong National Title run in 1998.

My recommendations to LHC Bill Snyder would be to hire a new offensive coordinator and a new defensive coordinator or retire again.  Collin Klein, Tyler Lockett and Ty Zimmerman made up for a lot of coaching deficiencies.

I am fine with Snyder staying on until Currie is gone but he needs to put more effort into hiring staff and recruiting players.

Why are you talking about stuff from 15 years ago? Either way he's not going to fire his assistants without quitting. Also what assistant coach do you think will come here and will work for a 73 year old man who could retire any second now?

[DHCM]

There's also no reason why that in year 6 of Snyder II that we're even discussing the lack of talent.  The talent should be at its pinnacle!

agreed. In regards to 2001, who would they have put on the field that didn't get PT?  Serious question, I'm struggling to recall names off the top of my head. The WR corps was terrible, I remember that. The defense had double digit numbers make the NFL so I'm not sure there was an issue there. Offensively the only thing we did well was run the ball but we struggled with it against several good teams because other than OU Roberson really struggled as a passer. And again, the receivers were probably the worst group we've had in recent memory, until this year of course.

Lockett got sketti brained against USC, and I remember Brandon Clark was a primary target.

Was Davin Dennis around then?  I can't remember.  It felt like was around for seven or eight years.

would have been his true freshman year. It was also the year we burned Taco Wallace's RS for 1 play vs A&M. The guys I remember getting the majority of the snaps were Lockett, Clark and Ricky Lloyd.

[Mixed-Nutz]

Recruiting is much better now, compared to our good years on the field. We sucked at recruiting during the Colin years and we're paying for it now.

It was so embarrassingly bad.

[SkinnyBenny]

dax can you go post the names of who said what? Just for posterity and whatnot.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I have never met a 73 year old that was capable of doing a job effectively, and coaching a football team is a very hard job. Unless Bill and Currie can find someone willing to be the coach in waiting and run the team while Bill is the figure head, then Bill needs to retire.

[MixBerryCrunch]

I have never met a 73 year old that was capable of doing a job effectively, and coaching a football team is a very hard job. Unless Bill and Currie can find someone willing to be the coach in waiting and run the team while Bill is the figure head, then Bill needs to retire.

He's 76. I probably won't be doing much more than watching tv and reading when I'm that age.  Can't imagine why anyone would want to have a stressful job at that age.

[wazucat]

I have never met a 73 year old that was capable of doing a job effectively, and coaching a football team is a very hard job. Unless Bill and Currie can find someone willing to be the coach in waiting and run the team while Bill is the figure head, then Bill needs to retire.

I'm nearly as old as Bill, there is no way he can concentrate and function close to what he could at even 65, and the rate of decline accelerates with each passing year.

[Katpappy]

I have never met a 73 year old that was capable of doing a job effectively, and coaching a football team is a very hard job. Unless Bill and Currie can find someone willing to be the coach in waiting and run the team while Bill is the figure head, then Bill needs to retire.

I'm nearly as old as Bill, there is no way he can concentrate and function close to what he could at even 65, and the rate of decline accelerates with each passing year.

GTFOOH with that age crap!  You rough ridin' bigot! 

[J]

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